TelePaul
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Don't get depressed, Ford Vans an assdanny.guitar said:As true as it is, reading that post made me feel kind of depressed.
TelePaul
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Ford Van said:
Kinda figured you were an ass. Here's the proof.
Ford Van said:
Did you actually read these posts? He specifically asked how to make his final mix as loud as a polished mp3/wav. Check it out.
Ford Van said:Even if that was not so, to come back with the ol' "you gotta have a professional master it" leaves a VERY foul taste in my mouth and is the most cliche of responses one can give!
Clichéd because it's correct?
Ford Van said:
That's entirely subjective. I know a local band who got their demo mastered, purely so they'd stand out from the dozen other bands in my area who also cut demos of their stuff. It's about how professsional YOU want to sound. Although, this is all irrelevant considering.
Ford Van said:
I offered up help, and my sentiments were echoed by most people here and in the other posts. If you have a problem with paying for the services offered by people within the industry, thats your problem. People are willing to take their projects to various levels, not every mix is going to be for commercial release; but some are. How do you get your mix up to pro standard? Send it to a pro mastering house, there's no ways about it.
Ford Van said:Again, your original post was pretty crappy stuff in light of the above don't your think?
Have a good day fucking off dude!
Jonny C was right, you contribute nothing.
Ford Van
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TelePaul said:
LOL....Lame.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Ed, you forgot your Ritalin again today.Ford Van said:
There is a HUGE difference between being a wizened old critic and a grumpy old jackass. And you're not at this long enough or even old enough to be either old or wisened yet, which leaves just a grumpy jackass. And whether you are right or wrong or anywhere in-between, NOBODY listens to a grumpy jackass. You're doing nothing but spinning your wheels and ruining your reputation when you get in these bipolar moods.Now, regarding the above quote, I don't think you're going to find very many who would disagree with that. Pro mastering is worthwhile *only* if the mix is worth it. And the mix is worth it only if the engineer does a good job mixing tracking that is worth it. That is very true. And I think you'll find that is very much in line with - to use a phrase that you used a bit earlier - the spirit of what most of the responses have been.
But you can't just state those facts and leave it at that, can you? You have to take it that extra step and berate and belittle the OP and practically everyone else on the board while you're at it. And you wonder why people call you an ass and nobody listens to you when you get this way.
Over the past week you have made a couple of excellent posts and managed to do it without leaving bile dripping off the corner of the monitors. When you do that, I have given you credit. Very few else will at those times, because they remember the Ford Van of today.
And as far as the "spirit of home recording" goes, you are referring to only one segement of home recording. "Home recording" has evolved over the last 15 years or so to the point where the mainstream recording studio is more and more moving into the home instead of the commercial district. While perhaps the majority of "home recordists" are amateurs with cracked software and soundards, who couldn't fly a Drawmer EQ properly if their lives depended upon it, there are an increasing number of professional artists and independent professional engineers who are not posers who are building their own project studios "at home" and performing "home recording" for the independent music industry in a very professional manner. These folks are very capable of putting out mixes worthy of, and that would benefit from, Tom's or John's or Brad's outsourced treatment.
Is the kid of person who asks rookie questions like "what is the difference between mixing and mastering" one of those? Almost certainly not. But you don't need to grind his face in that fact to make the point.
G.
TelePaul
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Ford Van said:
Your face is lame!! I have to positive rep you though; for all your bitching I guess you ain't a bad guy.
Ford Van
Banned
SouthSIDE Glen said:Ed, you forgot your Ritalin again today.
Now, regarding the above quote, I don't think you're going to find very many who would disagree with that. Pro mastering is worthwhile *only* if the mix is worth it. And the mix is worth it only if the engineer does a good job mixing tracking that is worth it. That is very true. And I think you'll find that is very much in line with - to use a phrase that you used a bit earlier - the spirit of what most of the responses have been.
But you can't just state those facts and leave it at that, can you? You have to take it that extra step and berate and belittle the OP and practically everyone else on the board while you're at it. And you wonder why people call you an ass and nobody listens to you when you get this way.
Over the past week you have made a couple of excellent posts and managed to do it without leaving bile dripping off the corner of the monitors. When you do that, I have given you credit. Very few else will at those times, because they remember the Ford Van of today.
And as far as the "spirit of home recording" goes, you are referring to only one segement of home recording. "Home recording" has evolved over the last 15 years or so to the point where the mainstream recording studio is more and more moving into the home instead of the commercial district. While perhaps the majority of "home recordists" are amateurs with cracked software and soundards, who couldn't fly a Drawmer EQ properly if their lives depended upon it, there are an increasing number of professional artists and independent professional engineers who are not posers who are building their own project studios "at home" and performing "home recording" for the independent music industry in a very professional manner. These folks are very capable of putting out mixes worthy of, and that would benefit from, Tom's or John's or Brad's outsourced treatment.
Is the kid of person who asks rookie questions like "what is the difference between mixing and mastering" one of those? Almost certainly not. But you don't need to grind his face in that fact to make the point.
G.
Glen, the little bit of audio I have heard from you suggests that maybe you should stick with that. As bad as it was, it was certainly better than your two-bit psychiatry work here!
Massive Master
www.massivemastering.com
I don't want to even get into the master vs. not-master thing (as far as processing goes). And I see all the sides - Not wasting money vs. getting the most potential out of the product, etc.
But one thing can hardly be ignored -
I get projects in of all qualities - From horrible sounding junk to wonderfully pristine professional recordings.
Most of the "big time" projects leave sounding very similar to the way they sounded when they came in. A little louder (usually) and a little more polished sounding, but very similar.
Ironically, it's the "less than wonderful" sounding projects that benefit the *most* from this sort of post-processing for just the reason that FV suggests *not* to have it done.
That is, the recordist made the best mix he could from whatever he used. Even if what he used was junk. If he then wants someone else with better equipment and more experience to try to bring out whatever potential might be there, I just can't fault him for it.
Personally, I learned more about the "finer details" about mixing from listening to the mastered versions of my mixes. And I learned not to sweat the small stuff - Like volume, volume matching from mix to mix, "mix matching" and the likes. Freeing myself from trying to do the mastering engineer's job was the best thing that ever happened to my mixing skills. It allowed me to concentrate on just getting the mix as good as I could get it.
Now - Before you know who accuses me of trying to drum up business by saying things like that - That's completely NOT what I'm trying to do. I'd MUCH rather spend my time tweaking and polishing great sounding mixes than trying to do complete makeovers on bad mixes. But I'm certainly not going to hold it against the "rookies" for wanting to see what kind of horsepower their mixes have.
They have the most to gain from it.
But one thing can hardly be ignored -
I get projects in of all qualities - From horrible sounding junk to wonderfully pristine professional recordings.
Most of the "big time" projects leave sounding very similar to the way they sounded when they came in. A little louder (usually) and a little more polished sounding, but very similar.
Ironically, it's the "less than wonderful" sounding projects that benefit the *most* from this sort of post-processing for just the reason that FV suggests *not* to have it done.
That is, the recordist made the best mix he could from whatever he used. Even if what he used was junk. If he then wants someone else with better equipment and more experience to try to bring out whatever potential might be there, I just can't fault him for it.
Personally, I learned more about the "finer details" about mixing from listening to the mastered versions of my mixes. And I learned not to sweat the small stuff - Like volume, volume matching from mix to mix, "mix matching" and the likes. Freeing myself from trying to do the mastering engineer's job was the best thing that ever happened to my mixing skills. It allowed me to concentrate on just getting the mix as good as I could get it.
Now - Before you know who accuses me of trying to drum up business by saying things like that - That's completely NOT what I'm trying to do. I'd MUCH rather spend my time tweaking and polishing great sounding mixes than trying to do complete makeovers on bad mixes. But I'm certainly not going to hold it against the "rookies" for wanting to see what kind of horsepower their mixes have.
They have the most to gain from it.
Ford Van
Banned
Who is going to accuse you of trying to drum up business?
Come now, don't be coy!
Come now, don't be coy!
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jonnyc
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Ford Van said:Glen, the little bit of audio I have heard from you suggests that maybe you should stick with that. As bad as it was, it was certainly better than your two-bit psychiatry work here!
You really are a fucking bitter asshole aren't you? How the fuck do you live with yourself day to day? You're probably the type that can't carry on a conversation with friends without constantly bitching. God you're a fucking loser.
ez_willis
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Can I recognize potential, or what?
It's like, some people have it. I am one of those people.
It's like, some people have it. I am one of those people.
Ford Van
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jonnyc said:
LOL....You dangle to the left when I pull this string, then dangle to the right when I pull this other string. What is best is when you jump up and down with the flip of my wrist!
Ford Van
Banned
ez_willis said:
Heh........
superspit
idiots unite!
geeesus!!
This has been incredible....I guess that sometimes arguing can bring out some very valid (technical) points....from both sides.....'fantastic' I say, albeit vicariously.
...as for the dissing?......yeah...that's just plain amusing.
This has been incredible....I guess that sometimes arguing can bring out some very valid (technical) points....from both sides.....'fantastic' I say, albeit vicariously.
...as for the dissing?......yeah...that's just plain amusing.
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TelePaul
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jonnyc said:
He HAS a point Van, you are a bit of a prick. Much love though. Tele.
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60's guy
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I'm impressed with your honesty to finally admit that you are in fact a failure. There are many here who question your claims of expertise and qualifications of being recognized as a noteworthy critic.Ford Van said:Well, it HAD to be said sooner or later....I am not young anymore. After you fail, you become a "critic".
Sorry, but it had to be said.
I have zero respect for your opinions.
true-eurt
Maneater
EZ is a phucking psychic!!!
Nick98338
New member
I'll butt in here. I, for one, kinda agree with FV, with the expletives deleted, that is. This subject has been one of my pet peeves for a while now. But, with resprect for many here, I won't try to stir this particular pot again. Instead, I'll just tell ya what *I* do. I intend to go on "mastering" my own stuff. I think I'm doing just fine, thank you. YMMV.
This subject has been one of my pet peeves for a while now. But, with resprect for many here, I won't try to stir this particular pot again. Instead, I'll just tell ya what *I* do. I intend to go on "mastering" my own stuff. I think I'm doing just fine, thank you. YMMV.
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60's guy
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Good on you!Nick98338 said:
Continue doing that because afterall, this is a homerecording website irrespective of the self proclaimed professionals who at times inhabit the site and seemingly have a tendency to piss on everyone's shoes when there isn't a fire in sight.
Yeah....I wrote that!
Ford Van
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60's guy said:
Well, I don't express "opinions" usually. Mostly, I state facts, and THAT is what has earned me respect.
Failure? I supported myself for about 10 years on audio alone in a market where almost nobody else has! I did quite well thank you!
Ford Van
Banned
60's guy said:Good on you!
Continue doing that because afterall, this is a homerecording website irrespective of the self proclaimed professionals who at times inhabit the site and seemingly have a tendency to piss on everyone's shoes when there isn't a fire in sight.
Yeah....I wrote that!
Yes, I agree, guys like Massive Master and BruceBear really have ruined the spirit of this place!