Effects Chain Grouping...?

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I just started using Sonar recently...upgraded from CWPA9...and I'm having trouble with trying to group an effects chain on multiple tracks.

For instance: I want to have the same effects on multiple vocal tracks...or on both the left and right (stereo split)channels of a beat.

I know how to do this by "applying" the effects to each track at the same time...but is there a way to "group" the effects chain to multiple tracks without having to "apply" the effects...so if I want to go back and change the effect(s) down the road?

Is there a way to copy or group the effect in the "effect patch" area...so that when I manipulate one it will make the same changes on the other track(s)?

Thanks in advance
-K9
 
The answer is Auxiliary Buss.... Basically send the signal to an Aux Buss and put the effects you want to apply in the corresponding Aux Buss.

There is a difference between pre and post fader.. ie pre will send the signal to the bus before the fader, hence moving the fader won't determine the send volume to the Aux Buss, however with post, it will the signal to the Aux Buss after the fader, meaning it will apply the effect to it then.

Play around with this and check it out in the manual.. I'm 99% sure this is what you are after :D

Porter
 
Thanks for the response...I will try that and see if it gives me the desired results.
 
When placing an effect in an Aux Buss should the wet/dry settings in the effect's parameters be set to 100% wet?

Thanks,
Scott
 
Could you explain that for me??. I mean why do you have to set the effect 100% wet??.

Tama
 
Mainly so you don't double up on your dry signal. Good to keep the wet and dry signal seperate so you can control them better.

Also, nothing like coming late in the mix or several days later and trying to figure out why the dry channel is not backing off much when you lower a fader. It's because your feeding it into an aux buss somewhere.
 
Middleman said:
Also, nothing like coming late in the mix or several days later and trying to figure out why the dry channel is not backing off much when you lower a fader. It's because your feeding it into an aux buss somewhere.
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True story. I've done this. Many times.

Pluss the doubling of signal can make it very hard to mix...
 
So, when you guys do this...is your aux send from the original signal track generally plus or minus zero?

I think I may have been having a not 100% wet issue as well. But, when I set it to 100%, I am thinking (without sitting here actually and trying it to see for sure:rolleyes: ) that I would be putting the send at a negative number for some reason. Does this seem off? If so, is it that I need to check my decay time on a reverb or what? Or, am I not being clear enough in my question/thinking here?

I think I've been doing it totally wrong up til this second.

-Kirstin
 
Middleman said:
Mainly so you don't double up on your dry signal. Good to keep the wet and dry signal seperate so you can control them better.

Also, nothing like coming late in the mix or several days later and trying to figure out why the dry channel is not backing off much when you lower a fader. It's because your feeding it into an aux buss somewhere.
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This just INSTANTLY made sense to me. Clears up some weirdness for me as well.
Thanks guys for all these great little nuggets that I actually GET.
;) (Not your fault...mine.)

-Kirstin
 
There are 4 ways to apply effects.

1. On the channel.

In this case you want a balance of dry and wet signal in the plug and then you mix for the best balance of sound.

2. On the Aux buss

In this case you want just the wet signal coming out of this buss. So you make the plug-in 100 wet with no dry coming through. Mainly because you are already hearing the dry signal from the channel. Having more dry signal here is just going to make you turn up the aux send to get more reverb. Just back off all the dry and life will be good.

Summary: Dry from the channel combined with wet from the aux.

So, when you guys do this...is your aux send from the original signal track generally plus or minus zero?
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I keep the channel aux send at 0db to fire up the reverb or delay. I can back the volume down on the aux send back.

3. On a subgroup buss
4. On the main 2 buss

Another neat trick is to put an EQ either before or after the reverb plug in. This allows you to control the frequency range of the reverb sound if your reverb plug has a crummy freq controls internal.
 
Well, I guess I did get carried away there. Any main buss can be the 2 buss if you route it that way.
 
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