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furis
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im thinking about selling my delta 1010 and gettin a e-mu 1212m .. its because i dont really need all those inputs and outputs and ive heard the e-mu 1212m has better converters...
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
furis said:
Is there a question there?
Personally, I would get the Emu. There are probably those who would differ.
amonte
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Is that true? Are the converters that much better on the Emu 1212m?
fraserhutch
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I've never used the Delta, but in my experience, for the buck, the convertors on the Emu "m" series are a good as you're gonna get.amonte said:
Disclaimer: I have the 1820M, but I believe that the convertors are the same for all the "m" series. Also, I use the Emu on a pre-production system, and use different convertors altogether for my recording rig. But I still like the emu convertors.
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Sklathill
Soundcard Junkie
Totally different beasts. the 1010 has a bunch of analog and a spdif. the 1212M has some analog, a spdif, and an ADAT. Different cards for different needs.
fraserhutch
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Sklathill said:
uhhh, he just said he didn't need all the inputs on the 1010 and was interested in the Emu's convertors.... so he KNOWS they're different beasties.
amonte
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From just an analog standpoint, how much of a difference is there between the A/D converters in the M-Audio Delta series and the Emu cards?
Here's my situation - I'm trying to put together a recording setup on a tight budget, and I had pretty much made up my mind to get a Delta 44 and Tracktion. I liked using the Tracktion demo (though I still might go with Sonar Home Studio) and the Delta 44 gave me four inputs to start off with - plus I figured I could always add a second Delta 44 (or the 66) to get a total of 8 inputs. I also liked that the Delta didn't have mic preamps, so I could always use what's available now, and upgrade them at a later date.
That being said, how big of a difference is the sound quality of the Emu card vs. the Delta card? Is there another product that I should be looking at? Again, the main appeal of the Delta card (other than the price, which is DEFINATELY a factor) is that I can start off with 4 inputs now and add another 4 later.
Here's my situation - I'm trying to put together a recording setup on a tight budget, and I had pretty much made up my mind to get a Delta 44 and Tracktion. I liked using the Tracktion demo (though I still might go with Sonar Home Studio) and the Delta 44 gave me four inputs to start off with - plus I figured I could always add a second Delta 44 (or the 66) to get a total of 8 inputs. I also liked that the Delta didn't have mic preamps, so I could always use what's available now, and upgrade them at a later date.
That being said, how big of a difference is the sound quality of the Emu card vs. the Delta card? Is there another product that I should be looking at? Again, the main appeal of the Delta card (other than the price, which is DEFINATELY a factor) is that I can start off with 4 inputs now and add another 4 later.
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Sklathill
Soundcard Junkie
Well...he hasn't said he needs ADAT. Honestly, there are lots of fine cards out there if you want things that just sound clean. The ESI Julia, the other Deltas, Edirol's stuff, EWS stuff... heck you can get affordable RME stuff nowadays.
Honestly, I think the step from Delta 1010 to E-mu is not a big difference, having owned a Delta 66 and Audiophile in the past. I'd say it's a touch a better, a smidge better in the sound quality department. The noise floor is definitely fantastic, but in terms of the quality of the sound, I wouldn't say it's a huge difference. (OTOH, go for something like a Lynx, and...YEAH, there's a difference there, even though the numbers don't seem like as huge a jump) There really is a lot of parity in the quality of cards DAC/ADC these days. I think features and drivers are far more important.
If you really want to check out something, get a sound card from a place that has a good return policy. There's a Sam Ash I go to with a fine return policy on opened sound cards. American Music Supplies is an internet guy with a good return policy. See for yourself, on your system, with your monitoring and other stuff in the signal chain.
Honestly, I think the step from Delta 1010 to E-mu is not a big difference, having owned a Delta 66 and Audiophile in the past. I'd say it's a touch a better, a smidge better in the sound quality department. The noise floor is definitely fantastic, but in terms of the quality of the sound, I wouldn't say it's a huge difference. (OTOH, go for something like a Lynx, and...YEAH, there's a difference there, even though the numbers don't seem like as huge a jump) There really is a lot of parity in the quality of cards DAC/ADC these days. I think features and drivers are far more important.
If you really want to check out something, get a sound card from a place that has a good return policy. There's a Sam Ash I go to with a fine return policy on opened sound cards. American Music Supplies is an internet guy with a good return policy. See for yourself, on your system, with your monitoring and other stuff in the signal chain.
Jeff_D
New member
amonte said:
from what I've read around here, you will not be able to sync the 44 with another card because it lacks spdif or other means to sync a digital clock to. You can (again- from what I've read here) sync a pair of 66's by conecting the spdif's together.
You should look that up to confirm the technicalities of it all- but I wanted to throw that out there befor you buy something you cant use.
With that said- I own the 1010lt and I'm satisfied with it considering what I paid. also, I hate Creative and for that reason alone, I wouldnt touch an E-mu card.
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chessrock
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Sklathill said:
Well put. Regardless of brand / model, most of the cards out there are using the exact same components and similar designs.
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
No, but he was interested in the upgrade in the convertors, which from what I hear it definitely is.Sklathill said:
And don;t underestimate the difference GOOD convertors can do for you.
In a mix they can make a big difference.