Drums mic kits

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Fletcher clearly indicates use of small dia's and dynamics, as well as large-dia's.... which is expected....

This varies significantly from your ignorant comment of "for recording i think large diaphragm condensers are best. "

Look idiot-boy, you've got a long way to go before you have any CLUE as to what you're talking about, so why don't you just shut the fuck up, sit still, and LEARN something before you open your fuckin' mouth..............
 
blue bear,
dont you think you are being a bit harsh? jeap simply added an opinion. unless there is some other thread between you two that i dont know about. na nanan iiiiice bear!!!!! please dont eat me!



lynn
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Fletcher clearly indicates use of small dia's and dynamics, as well as large-dia's.... which is expected....

This varies significantly from your ignorant comment of "for recording i think large diaphragm condensers are best. "

Look idiot-boy, you've got a long way to go before you have any CLUE as to what you're talking about, so why don't you just shut the fuck up, sit still, and LEARN something before you open your fuckin' mouth..............
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Quick Blue Bear..... Someone has logged in as you... I think it might be Ed......

:D:D:D

Sorry, had to....


By the way, where is Ed...?
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Fletcher clearly indicates use of small dia's and dynamics, as well as large-dia's.... which is expected....

This varies significantly from your ignorant comment of "for recording i think large diaphragm condensers are best. "

Look idiot-boy, you've got a long way to go before you have any CLUE as to what you're talking about, so why don't you just shut the fuck up, sit still, and LEARN something before you open your fuckin' mouth..............
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i really dont know what your problem is asswipe!

cant you read?

maybe you dropped out of school as a tot?


"There's another I've done where I use two lg. diaphragm condensers [like 47's] and spread them out. Like one in front of each rack tom [on the side of the toms. When I do this one, it seems that if all three mics are equidistant from 'ground zero' my setup time is pretty well reduced."

the third mic he talks about he gives a number of lg condensers as examples!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


i think its too late for you to grow a brain but at least you could try to be more pleasant.

you must be the biggest asshole on the whole internet!

:)
 
foreverain4 said:
blue bear,
dont you think you are being a bit harsh? jeap simply added an opinion.
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He's been spouting bullshit so I'm cleaning up after him...........

And beleive me, there's a lot to clean-up....!
 
actually i faced a similar decision not too long ago.

i looked at all the drum mic sets and was interested in cad audix audio technica nady akg etc.

the more i looked into the issue the more i realized that the category "drum mic" is a relatively new category.

i like to listen to mostly older music from times long before the category of "drum mic" and i like the lower impact drum sounds of yore.

what did they use to record drums back then?

ive tried using drum machines and i find that i can never get the machine to match the sounds im making with the other instruments. the machines never fit well. too "high impact".

ive come to realize through trial and error that i can make my snare sound exactly like a drum machine snare by using an sm57 with close miking technique.

this got me to thinking about how to get a more accurate recording of my drums.

ive spent a lot of time and money trying to make my drums sound good and i like the way they sound and the sound fits well with all the styles of music that i like.

how could i record that sound?

:)
 
jeap,

If you mean the 60s and 70s as "back then", the drums were less imortant to the overall sound of the recording, and tracks were very limited, so the drum miking was more minimal.

The D12E was the standard kick drum mic, and usually, the engineer would add either a ribbon mic above the drum set (the Coles 4038 was a popular choice), or a couple of condenser mics (usually Neumanns or Sonys). As more tracks became available, and drums became more important to the overall sound, more mics were used to have more tonal choices during mixdowns.
 
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Blue Bear Sound said:
You wouldn't know a good recording if it bit you in the fuckin' arse..........'

And a statement like this simply shows how ignorant you really are...............
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Give me a break. Who the hell do you think you are rippin on this guy because he prefers 3 lg condensers when recording drums? To each his own so take your head out of your ass.

That said if you ever need more than 4 mics on a kit then your probably going overkill. I've had great results in the past recording a jazz drummer with a u195 in front of a kit with another as an overhead above the drummers head pointing down (although I would have prefered to use two small condensers in xy but didn't have any at the time.)
 
Harvey Gerst said:
jeap,

If you mean the 60s and 70s as "back then", the drums were less imortant to the overall sound of the recording, and tracks were very limited, so the drum miking was more minimal.

The D12E was the standard kick drum mic, and usually, the engineer would add either a ribbon mic above the drum set (the Coles 4038 was a popular choice), or a couple of condenser mics (usually Neumanns or Sonys). As more tracks became available, and drums became more important to the overall sound, more mics were used to have more tonal choices during mixdowns.
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i like the sound on some of the recordings that i have on my gene krupa videos.

i like the sound on brubeck's take 5.

i like the drum solos on my glenn miller albums.

"days of yore" to me is 50's and before.

for more recent stuff i like mitch mitchell's organic sounds with jimi hendrix.

ringo had some great drum sounds.


if you want to know how the "standard" drum mics of today sound just plug in a current drum machine to a good system and press the pads.

you'll likely hear extremely punchy snare and bass drums. most or all sound muffled and choked.

i was amazed to find that "muffled and choked" can be done with mics!

"choking" of course is overtightening the snare strainer.

these standard sounds seem to fit very few musical styles where a degree of subtlety is called for.



:)

p.s. thanks scriabin!
 
also harvey i saw you at the harmony central forum where im sure you are extremely welcome!

what took you so long?

you will find, if you look over there, a recent thread about 3 mic systems of bonham and ringo are discussed as well as the use of all large condensers and fletcher's article.

im not the only one who's ever used all large condensers on drums but even if i were that wouldnt change my mind.

:)
 
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Scriabin said:
Give me a break. Who the hell do you think you are rippin on this guy because he prefers 3 lg condensers when recording drums?
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Give ME a fuckin' break........ jeap didn't say HE prefers it, he generalized that ONLY large-dia's should be used, which is bullshit - like much of the other crap I've seen him spout....

And MY COMMENTS were directed at him, which is MY business.... so fuck off.....
 
Brubeck's sound on take 5 is great. Ever heard art blakey's kit on "drum thunder suite"? That entire first album with the jazz messengers is definitely worth listen. I agree with you on gene krupa, I always prefered his work to buddy rich. The 1938 carnegie hall concert with goodman and krupa is one of my favorites.

Mitch Mitchell, well there's another great drummer. He blew away Hendrix on "fire." One of my favorite drummers of all time.

You have good tastes in drummers;)
 
Scriabin said:
your a class act my boy.
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Well "boy", at least I don't spew nonsense all over this (and other) forums like your buddy jeap here does...
 
Scriabin said:
Brubeck's sound on take 5 is great. Ever heard art blakey's kit on "drum thunder suite"? That entire first album with the jazz messengers is definitely worth listen. I agree with you on gene krupa, I always prefered his work to buddy rich. The 1938 carnegie hall concert with goodman and krupa is one of my favorites.
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Some of my favorite drum recordings are on Cassadra Wilson's Blue Skies album. Sweet sounding drums.

I bought the EV drum mic kit from AMS a few years ago. 2 ND 468s and 1 ND 868. I use 2 MXL 603s' as overheads. I'm quite happy with everything except the 868 - live it sounds great, but for recording I have to work with it quite a bit & am still not 100% satisfied with the sound.

Oh, and Blue Bear my seem harsh sometimes, but in my experience he knows what he's talking about. He usually doesn't flame someone without reason - there's probably more to the story. I'm keeping out of it, though. :D
 
Sometimes when people first come onto a board, they act up (or act out) quite a bit for whatever reasons of ignorance, self-gratification, or just a strange sense of fun. We saw it with Tyler, and we certainly saw it with Jeap (who actually started out with a different name - Wascal).

In both of those cases, they tangled early and often with Blue Bear. Also, in my opinion, in both cases they have "matured" and become more constructive in their postings. That's not to say that they can't still be annoying, but they have come a long way from how they started. In some sense it is amusing to hear Jeap call someone else a jerk in light of some of his earliest postings.

In my case I prefer to judge people on what they've contributed lately (especially when they are on a positive upswing). But perhaps bears are somewhat like elephants - they never forget (or forgive?).
 
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Scriabin said:


That said if you ever need more than 4 mics on a kit then your probably going overkill. I've had great results in the past recording a jazz drummer with a u195 in front of a kit with another as an overhead above the drummers head pointing down (although I would have prefered to use two small condensers in xy but didn't have any at the time.)
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I think your generalization ignores two variables: style of music and quality of the recording space. In your own example, you talk about a jazz recording which may have very different mic'ing needs than other styles.

There's no way with my 8 foot ceilings that I am going to be happy doing a power rock recording without individually mic'ing most of the kit. But, I'll be the first to admit that a better engineer (and most people are...) might be able to pull it off.

So for me, it's not overkill... it's recognition of musical style considerations along with limitations of the both the room and my engineering skill.

The only end result that matters is whether the clients and their fans like the results. I guess future historical perspective might matter too, but who the hell can predict that?
 
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littledog said:




So for me, it's not overkill... it's recognition of musical style considerations along with limitations of the both the room and my engineering skill.
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Nowhere did I say that "2 mics are all you'll ever need" I merely cited an example of a situation I had with jazz drummer. You are correct in believing that there is not one end-all mic setup that will transfer across the many musical genres. And notice the word "probably" in my statement... that meaning, "in most instances, you'll never really need more than 4 mics," not every instance. I understand every situation is different and there is no absolute in recording.
That being said, if you feel that you must have a mic for every inch of the kit including one stuck up your ass for good measure to compensate for your lack of skill, well then more power to you.
Check out some Rudy Van Gelder recordings made in the mid 50s. He recorded some absolutely amazing drum tracks in his mothers living room with a minimum amount of microphones. He used mic leakage and natural ambiance to great effect.

As far as jeap's past history... i don't know anything about it and i don't really care.
 
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Blue Bear Sound said:
Give ME a fuckin' break........ jeap didn't say HE prefers it, he generalized that ONLY large-dia's should be used, which is bullshit - like much of the other crap I've seen him spout....

And MY COMMENTS were directed at him, which is MY business.... so fuck off.....
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SOMEBODY is trying for "asshole of the universe".

all i did was give my opinion which is the same thing i did before when this moron jumped me.

i was right then and i am entitled to my opinion now.

this blue boy is as dumb as a doorknob.

:)
 
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