Steenamaroo
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I'm pretty sure I was talking about layering.
That no longer matters.
Welcome to HR.
I'm pretty sure I was talking about layering.
That no longer matters.
Welcome to HR.
Um, check again. I posted in this thread before you did. I said the same things as a few others before me, then a few after me said the same things, and that was just too much for you to handle. Your ego was smashed. You saw people that have similar views but a different recording mentality than yours, and bam, here we are. None of us said anything about competing, or being better, or that comping was bad. YOU made claims about others, not me.
I could tell from your first post exactly where this was headed, and this is where it was headed. Miro trying to "school" everyone about his ideas and his way of doing things because others dare to do it differently. My comment in post 17 was just a joke, not a "stirring of shit", but I do see right through you. You saw some people actually agreeing in principle, and you had to correct the situation.WTF are you talking about...?
Most of the discussion in the beginning of this thread was about double tracking.
Grim and Armistice then made comments about punch recording, section recording and comping...and/or doing takes until they got it right. My first post (#16) was to them, simply saying that comping is really not much different than any of those other approaches.
Now go look at at your posts #17 and #20 that came after mine...they were made to me, and were an intentional attempt to stir up shit with me (what a surprise).
Again, you made claims and projected your shit onto others before I did. I didn't make it a competition, you did, but only an idiot would see anything wrong with trying to play a part correctly in one take.You immediatley took the discussion to some "doing it right" VS "not being able to play" kind of BS.
Nothing I said to Grim and Armistice had anything to do with that.
You said it, not me. But I'll agree with that.I guess not everyone can cut a perfect 3 minute song with a dozen tracks in less than an hour's time of tracking.
3 minutes for each "single perfect take" = 36 minutes.
I'm not that good.
Of course...if you need a lot of takes to get that one "perfect" take....then really, where's the playing perfection and commitment?
Goddamn I hate to agree with grim, but I do the same. Play it right all the way through. One take. No comps. I do my very best to avoid the fix-it-later mentality and ease of editing with digital. I believe in being able to actually play the part you're recording.
I'll record every track until I get one that I think is good to go. Then I'll erase all the previous takes. Then I'll do one more take, just in case I didn't hear some issue in what I thought was the perfect take. Reason: my recording brain isn't the same as my mixing brain - my recording brain just doesn't notice as much as my mixing brain - it's in performance mode, not listening mode. I've learned from painful experience that I just can't trust my ears when I'm in recording mode. But yeah, avoid endless takes. Avoid cobbling together a frankenstein monster from endless takes. Just get it right the first time.
A handful of us want to play the part right in one go rather than piece it together.
Yeah, why try to get one good take when you can slop out 50 bad ones and just piece them together like a frankenshit?
I'm not opposed to comping but prefer a full, good/great take.
You're making things up again. I'm not "boasting" about doing 100 takes. I'm not boasting about anything. I don't see how anyone is boasting by saying they want to record a good take all the way through. Maybe I should boast though because it doesn't take me a "bunch of takes" to do anything. Why do you think it takes a "bunch of takes" to get a good one? You keep going back to this. Is that how you have to record? Maybe it is, and that's fine, but again you're trying to put everyone in the same box. Maybe you can't do it so you project your flaws onto everyone else. There's nothing trial and error about simply knowing how to play what you want to record. Know your shit before you record it. Most people would consider that a good attribute. You act like it's a fucking disease."A handful of us".....
You wanna boast about being able to do a bunch of takes until you get that "one good take"...fine, but there's nothing complicated or especially skillful about doing that.
That's basically trial & error tracking....but hey, we all record some tracks in that manner.
I don't think comping is *only* about jamming a bunch of bad takes together, but that's what it probably amounts to for many people, including you if you're gonna sit there and claim that it takes a jillion takes just to record one good one. I'm just guessing because I know how easy it is to do. I AM making an assumption here. I could be wrong about it, but I don't think I am judging by what I read from people in here about how they do things. I've had to do that for other people and it's fucking maddening. One of my good friends records like that and it drives me insane. I refuse to record like that. I've always been against the ease of editing with digital. I think it becomes a crutch for a lot of people. On the flip side, I don't personally see much point in comping good takes because if you have a good take, it's already a good take. You're just entertaining yourself, and that's fine too, but it is just playing around. I'm not gonna record 5 complete sets of drum takes, go through each set, 50 tracks total, and pick out the best pieces and slice and dice it all together. That's fucking mental. If someone else wants to do that, rock on. I think they're crazy. Go ahead and post some link about one of your hero idol engineers from the glory days cutting and pasting good takes together. I'll call him crazy too.If you think comping is just about that, then it means you really don't know or can't see the use and benefit of comping when you have several good takes....not just one.
It's got nothing to do with comping bad takes.
Why do you think it takes a "bunch of takes" to get a good one?
I don't think comping is *only* about jamming a bunch of bad takes together, but that's what it probably amounts to for many people, including you if you're gonna sit there and claim that it takes a jillion takes just to record one good one.
No, not at all. Never crossed my mind at all. There was no intent whatsoever. If you inferred that, then that's on you, and it would explain why you went mirofensive over nothing.Whatever.....but I know what you said, how you said it and with what intent.
No, I don't mock what you said because you're not wrong about comping. I haven't disagreed with or said anything bad about comping. Not one word. I made a joke because you whipped out the soapbox and got all preachy as you tend to do. Then you started talking nonsense by putting people into little boxes and claiming that everyone does this and that, blah blah blah, just to justify and rationalize your own ideas and practices - which were never under attack. Ever! I do believe it was someone else that said something like "miro's looking to argue", and hot damn, he was right. So no, I'm not the only one that notices your rabid tendencies to turn everything into a huge mess.I was responding to Grim and Armistice....but you just had to jump in with some little mocking shots at what I was saying about comping.
Even though others before me said they used comping for some things....this thread didn't go off the rails until you started with the digs specifically directed at me (surprise) back with post #17, and from there on.
See what I mean? You literally have nothing, not one single piece of topical evidence to go with, so you make things up to get your own digs in. Lol. You're so sad! I'm truly almost embarrassed for you.Yup....comping is only used to magically fix shitty playing....you go with that thought.