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reneveah
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Yeah sugar man kills ya HAHA
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Pro Tooler
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To the original thread... sounds like your pretty pissed about alot of shit... I'm a PT user with a pretty good set up and yes running it on a Mac G5... I don't frown on people using a tascam 8 track recorder... i busted my nuts to buy the gear i have.. no silver spoon in my ass pal... i paid nearly $10,000 to fit myself with what i have... why did i do that you may ask when you say you can get the same results with under a grand?... it's like this in my eyes... what if someday you want to go bigger, like building a big block 440 for you '69 Super Bee, but when you first built the bottom end of that brand new siamese bored core you neglected to put the money into it and then say 5 years down the road you get used to the 400 HP that it makes but now you want it to squeeze out say 700+ ponys and the thing pukes out on you cuz it can't handle what you now want to be able to do?... I believe in spending the money once... work hard for it.. get what you want.. not just what you'll settle for. I have plans on doing this full time for many clients in the future so... when they ask for me to be able to do something and i can accomodate their request... They'll be smiling about it... and i can guarantee you i can do alot more on my system than the guy with a set up for a a few grand... The folks in this world are pretty demanding nowadays and want more for their money... and if you can't give it to them they will go elsewhere.. So i hope to be able to give them what they request by owning and having broken my back at my day job to come home and put a huge smile on their faces and hearts and my own for the love of doing it! So... to all that can only afford to buy what they have for whatever reason... It's awesome that at least your doing what you love to do and be able to share it with others... I hope that you can create something like the Beatles did in '64 on a 4 track... I think that in the original thread you should have been more careful how you catagorized the people that have a larger setup at home than most... Not all of us are rich... i'm far from it... i just set my goals in life very high... I hate it that people with less give the people with more the big middle digit and the same goes for the people with more laughing at the people with less... No matter who you are just give it all you got and stop the damn finger pointing.. what a waste of energy man... so in the end.. that's my piss of to you!
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RockStarzUSA
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Hi ppl, I am new to this forum, but I thought I would share a story with you directly relating to this. A good friend of mine works fulltime as a guitarist in the music industry. He works for a very very large theme park as an entertainment talent manager. So this theme Park wanted him to record some music pieces for their daily shows. He played me some of his work and I was blown away at how great a sound he pulled!
I finally made it around to his 'studio' a week or so afer hearing his recording. I was dumdstruck to say the least. His studio consisted of a desk in his wife's laundry room. Sitting on the desk was a PC running Cubase VST. His Mic Pre was a focusrite TwinTrak Pro running digitally into an M-Audio Mobile Pre USB. That was it!!
His sound was incredible considering his limited tools. I ate a big chunk of humble pie that day, as I had thought that type of gear was relegated to the 'beginner' After that never again. Basic tools in the hands of real talent and engineering skills can create near worldclass quality!
I finally made it around to his 'studio' a week or so afer hearing his recording. I was dumdstruck to say the least. His studio consisted of a desk in his wife's laundry room. Sitting on the desk was a PC running Cubase VST. His Mic Pre was a focusrite TwinTrak Pro running digitally into an M-Audio Mobile Pre USB. That was it!!
His sound was incredible considering his limited tools. I ate a big chunk of humble pie that day, as I had thought that type of gear was relegated to the 'beginner' After that never again. Basic tools in the hands of real talent and engineering skills can create near worldclass quality!
LeeRosario
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Well in my last statement before I completely forget about this thread entirely:
In some ways, panty boy is right. I mean logically, if it sounds "kickin" then sure, push it out, man. Right?
Well, the problem pantyboy is that you are not thinking like a professional engineer. You're thinking like a consumer. You have the ears of a consumer. So for someone with a consumer mentality to kick off a thread as "Revolt" oriented as this one, I would say you are about yay close to pissing in your own mouth.
You know what seperates the consumer audio enthusiast from the professional one? Power. Without the professional engineers, you would have no material from which to base your claims upon.
You are not thinking about the record industry executive that knows nothing about gear and music. Thier goal is to make it bigger, better and faster to generate bigger, better and faster money.
You're fishing from the safe edge of the lake my friend. Without having been in the water to see it from the fish's side.
So if expensive preamps weren't an issue, then there wouldn't be a million dollar market for them. Manufacturers wouldn't need to bust thier balls creating new and "modern" sounding pres at 3 grand for 2 channels of prestine sound.
Your claims are easy to make over the internet. Shit, so are my claims and anyone else. So now you understand the reasons for which there is a plethora of untrue, bullshit and misguided information all over the net.
So again, research man. Research. I'm sure we look foward to a review of your mixes.
In some ways, panty boy is right. I mean logically, if it sounds "kickin" then sure, push it out, man. Right?
Well, the problem pantyboy is that you are not thinking like a professional engineer. You're thinking like a consumer. You have the ears of a consumer. So for someone with a consumer mentality to kick off a thread as "Revolt" oriented as this one, I would say you are about yay close to pissing in your own mouth.
You know what seperates the consumer audio enthusiast from the professional one? Power. Without the professional engineers, you would have no material from which to base your claims upon.
You are not thinking about the record industry executive that knows nothing about gear and music. Thier goal is to make it bigger, better and faster to generate bigger, better and faster money.
You're fishing from the safe edge of the lake my friend. Without having been in the water to see it from the fish's side.
So if expensive preamps weren't an issue, then there wouldn't be a million dollar market for them. Manufacturers wouldn't need to bust thier balls creating new and "modern" sounding pres at 3 grand for 2 channels of prestine sound.
Your claims are easy to make over the internet. Shit, so are my claims and anyone else. So now you understand the reasons for which there is a plethora of untrue, bullshit and misguided information all over the net.
So again, research man. Research. I'm sure we look foward to a review of your mixes.
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mithra6
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I agree with Lee. This isn't actually a snob kind of thing. The fact is most people CAN hear the difference between most "hi-fi" and most "lo-fi" recordings, but they can't articulate what that difference is. Plus, most don't really care. The bottom line is most people like a polished sound. This isn't right or wrong - just the way it is. At this point in time the sound people are accustomed to is not very realistic. By that I mean what people are used to does not reflect the way a live musician sounds. That's ok for some bands and music. I wouldn't want to hear old Dylan compressed and processed to hell, but I like The Faming Lips' over-processed sound.
Now as for the stuggling musician, I think that whatever gets the music out there is valid. I have used a $10 mic stuck in a plastic trash can for percussion and it sounded great, but I have been recorded in a good quality studio too and also sounded great. Some bands and music can get away with an immediate homespun kind of sound and others can't. Personally I strive for a middle ground since I love experimentation, but I don't like getting lost in tech speak either.
Now as for the stuggling musician, I think that whatever gets the music out there is valid. I have used a $10 mic stuck in a plastic trash can for percussion and it sounded great, but I have been recorded in a good quality studio too and also sounded great. Some bands and music can get away with an immediate homespun kind of sound and others can't. Personally I strive for a middle ground since I love experimentation, but I don't like getting lost in tech speak either.
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Rickson Gracie
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PANTYBOY said:
LOL, I knew he wouldnt post his masterpieces.
drstawl
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One out of two ain't bad?PANTYBOY said:
I've noticed the former; never the latter.
You think this might be some sort of trend?
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jonnyc
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Panytboy to me you're coming off as some kind of bitter studio guy with crap gear that needs to justify what he has to himself to feel ok. And wtf is with the line I got groupie hoes? Who gives a fuck if you have groupie hoes? You claimed you made coast to coast hits and can produce some amazing shit. Well lets hear what you claim already gets radio play, I mean if its good enough for radio then surely its good enough for us HR guys to hear, right? You claim that your original point was to show that cheap gear can get the job done, when in reality it seems that you really just wanted to bash people who buy expensive gear by assuming all of us are rich bitches from suburbia. "Well let me tell you"(LOL) I've got some decent gear and a decent studio and I grew up in a 700 square foot two bedroom house on a horse farm. I put myself thru college with student loans and eventually got a really good job in real estate. I paid for everything I own with my own money and I for one don't appreciate you assuming all of us with good gear had it handed to them on a silver platter. Rants are ok but overgeneralizations aren't. I can't wait til you buy that first great preamp so you can look back on this thread and tell yourself you sounded like an idiot.
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notCardio
I walk the line
One think I'll agree with him on though,
it doesn't take expensive equipment to record rap for ringtones.
it doesn't take expensive equipment to record rap for ringtones.
Treeline
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I'm still learning at the stage where I haven't really outgrown a soundblaster card. Well, maybe. But what the heck. I love getting a new piece of gear, even if it does make me cringe a year or two later. I like every spot on this learning curve. And I'd love to have a "real" studio - but for now I'll have to settle for the gear I do have and learn to do as much with it as I can be clever enough to learn. When I think of the great stuff that has been recorded with basic gear, I grin nice and wide. It means there's a real point in learning more; you can do cool things with the knowledge.
In the end, it's not about microchips or brand names to me. It's about whether the guitar track I just laid down - or captured as someone else was playing - gives me goosebumps or not.
In the end, it's not about microchips or brand names to me. It's about whether the guitar track I just laid down - or captured as someone else was playing - gives me goosebumps or not.
c7sus
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I think NASA switched over to this philosophy a few years back.
Might have something to do with why the Shuttle isn't flying these days.
Might have something to do with why the Shuttle isn't flying these days.
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smuffjules
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I've done tests with Neumann mics against MXL's, AT's Rode's etc. and really couldn't hear any difference.
Now, if I had the dough, I'd but a bunch of Neumann's, and other name mics because if you're running a studio, these names bring in the guys who know a little bit about recording.
Right now, I could afford a couple of neumann's, but I have other priorities, so I bought the MXL's, Rode's Nady's and I think they all sound great.
Everyone should do a blind test on these mics.
I do have a Behringer tube ultragain, and a couple of the old Joe Meek VC 1's.
The joemeeks are a little more versatile as they are compresser enhancers instead of just plain amps, but no real sound quality diff. Maybe a vintage urei might make a diff. I don't know.
I think if you have a good pair of ears, you're going to get a good product out, but if you have an SSL sitting infront of you, you may feel a little more inspired to mess with it and experiment on the mix.
With today's crap pouring out of every orifice, I really think that most kids just want to hear a good steay beat and play this crap to their friends and all look cool and fashionable. They don't even care about the music, it's about the image it represents.
They don't even hear any of the subtleties of good engineering, unless it's really poor or from the 30's and 40's with the dull crackly sound, they would hate this, and I personally think helps the character of the older music. Check out the old Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli recordings done with one ribbon mic in front of the whole band. Totally outdated sound, but works for this music. I don't thnk the sound would work so well if you hear Django today recorded digitally, still, that's because of what I'm used to.
Most kids buying this modern crap wouldn't know the subleties of a good mix, but real muso's will know the difference.
Listen to a good modern acoustic record by Alison Krauss for instance. Gary Pacoza is one of the very top guys here in Nashville. You don't get any better sound then they get acoustically, and I'll bet that Pacoza uses top high end gear.
I'd like to hear the kind of sound he'd get by usin Behringer's etc. You may not tell a difference, maybe you would, but he uses high end gear because he makes a living recording people and who's going to take him so seriously if he ad an $8 radio shack mic?
So there you have it. Clear as mud?? It's all relative to the sound that YOU want to hear.
Now, if I had the dough, I'd but a bunch of Neumann's, and other name mics because if you're running a studio, these names bring in the guys who know a little bit about recording.
Right now, I could afford a couple of neumann's, but I have other priorities, so I bought the MXL's, Rode's Nady's and I think they all sound great.
Everyone should do a blind test on these mics.
I do have a Behringer tube ultragain, and a couple of the old Joe Meek VC 1's.
The joemeeks are a little more versatile as they are compresser enhancers instead of just plain amps, but no real sound quality diff. Maybe a vintage urei might make a diff. I don't know.
I think if you have a good pair of ears, you're going to get a good product out, but if you have an SSL sitting infront of you, you may feel a little more inspired to mess with it and experiment on the mix.
With today's crap pouring out of every orifice, I really think that most kids just want to hear a good steay beat and play this crap to their friends and all look cool and fashionable. They don't even care about the music, it's about the image it represents.
They don't even hear any of the subtleties of good engineering, unless it's really poor or from the 30's and 40's with the dull crackly sound, they would hate this, and I personally think helps the character of the older music. Check out the old Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli recordings done with one ribbon mic in front of the whole band. Totally outdated sound, but works for this music. I don't thnk the sound would work so well if you hear Django today recorded digitally, still, that's because of what I'm used to.
Most kids buying this modern crap wouldn't know the subleties of a good mix, but real muso's will know the difference.
Listen to a good modern acoustic record by Alison Krauss for instance. Gary Pacoza is one of the very top guys here in Nashville. You don't get any better sound then they get acoustically, and I'll bet that Pacoza uses top high end gear.
I'd like to hear the kind of sound he'd get by usin Behringer's etc. You may not tell a difference, maybe you would, but he uses high end gear because he makes a living recording people and who's going to take him so seriously if he ad an $8 radio shack mic?
So there you have it. Clear as mud?? It's all relative to the sound that YOU want to hear.
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PANTYBOY
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Its Here!!!!!
I DON'T USE THE NET ON MY HOME PC DUE TO VIRUSES
SO HOW DO I LOAD FILES FROM CD AND POST TO THE WEB?
(WITHOUT ALL THAT SOUNDCLICK MYSAPCE BULLSHIT)
STRAIGHT FROM DISC TO WEB UPLOADING?
IS THIS POSSIBLE?
HOW DO I POST MY WORK.Rickson Gracie said:
I DON'T USE THE NET ON MY HOME PC DUE TO VIRUSES
SO HOW DO I LOAD FILES FROM CD AND POST TO THE WEB?
(WITHOUT ALL THAT SOUNDCLICK MYSAPCE BULLSHIT)
STRAIGHT FROM DISC TO WEB UPLOADING?
IS THIS POSSIBLE?
giraffe
i love negative rep
1: remove caps lock key
2: convert your file to an mp3.
3: go to
lightningmp3.com
4: upload file, post link here.
done.
(the file should be a minimum of 128kbps, more is better but remember not everyone has highspeed)
2: convert your file to an mp3.
3: go to
lightningmp3.com
4: upload file, post link here.
done.
(the file should be a minimum of 128kbps, more is better but remember not everyone has highspeed)
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mithra6
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Wait let me write that down.
Hmmm REMOVE CAPS LOCK KEY
got it
Sorry couldn't resist.
Hmmm REMOVE CAPS LOCK KEY
got it
Sorry couldn't resist.
Creamyapples1
www.murphycabs.com
PANTYBOY said:
<3 me some paranoid folk. The beginning of a long line of excuses, or perhaps in his frenzy of revolt, he's boycotting virus protection/firewalls, or perhaps his OS is pirated as well?
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dementedchord
Psychotic State alumni ch
rant on bro
misguided though it may be.... its entirely possible that you just dont/wont appreciate the diff.... as a repair tech i was constantly surprised b y what people thoght about their fav piece or brand.... not to pick on behr... but to give example.... afriend being suitable impressed by the need for tubes bought one their pres.... i opened it up only to find THE ONLY WAY they could get the tube to glow was to stick three orange leds BEHIND IT......
misguided though it may be.... its entirely possible that you just dont/wont appreciate the diff.... as a repair tech i was constantly surprised b y what people thoght about their fav piece or brand.... not to pick on behr... but to give example.... afriend being suitable impressed by the need for tubes bought one their pres.... i opened it up only to find THE ONLY WAY they could get the tube to glow was to stick three orange leds BEHIND IT......
JazzMang
He's Junktastic!
My God, did you really hit the 'shift' button that many times?!PANTYBOY said:
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SKYflyer
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no, he keeps getting owned by the caps locks filter. HE TYPES EVERYTHING LIKE THIS and the filter makes it so that all the letters are lower case except the first one.JazzMang said:
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Richard Monroe
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Wow, this is another thread that would not die. Do I take it personally? Not really. But there is this. Panty, you are an angry man. You're very good at taking responsibility for the good things that happen to you in this life, but the bad things seem to be somebody (anybody) else's fault. Remember Bong Soo Han, the silver-haired martial arts master in the Billy Jack movies? One day, one of his students was trying real hard to beat another student in a sparring match, and getting frustrated (and his ass kicked). He stopped them, and came out of his office with a piece of chalk and an eraser. He drew a line on the floor and handed the chalk and the eraser to the guy and said, "Make this line shorter."
The guy tried erasing part of it. The master says, "No.", and draws the line back. The kid tries every way, and then gives up. The master takes the chalk and draws a longer line next to the first one. He says, "There- it's shorter. Why are you trying so hard to shorten his line, instead of lengthening yours?"
Yep, I live in the suburbs. That means I must have been given money, right? I wish I remembered that when I was homeless, selling blood to get over. I'm sure I would have felt better about it at the time. I've got an Avalon AD2022 right next to my Behringer ADA8000, and a pair of Neumann's and a B.L.U.E. Kiwi right next to my Oktavas and my AKG dynamics. They sound just the same right, and I can't tell the difference?- my ass.
All this high end gear has made my music boring, 'cause I have no talent, no balls, no story to tell, no soul, just all this gear I bought to impress a bunch of gear sluts, right? I'll tell ya-(nothing good comes after this, right?) You don't know anything about my life, my story, my passions, or my music, so don't act like you do.
So I must lead people to this expensive gear to discourage them right? Well, no, I don't. I encourage them to get the best gear they can afford, whatever that is, and to spend their money wisely, however much it is. And yes, occasionally I hand out a reality check, because like it or not, professional quality recording takes money, quite a bit of it, and your rant won't change that.
You contradict yourself. First, you tell me that most of the commercial shit on the radio is garbage, and you want to get away from that sound. Then you tell me that I'm supposed to be impressed because of regional airplay, and how impressed I'm supposed to be because some rappers made it big with lo-fi recordings done on cheap-ass gear. Commercial success is, in *no* way or form, indicative of artistic achievement. It's a testimony to good marketing. *That's* the hype you shouldn't believe. On the other hand, it's not a crime to make money, and a lot of the frustrated artists on this board act like it is. They are generally people who don't make money. Most "starving artists" are self made. They usually made themselves poor through bad choices. Of course, you identify yourself as a poor starving artist, presumably because of your unwillingness to compromise your high artistic standards. But what the hell, a few groupie hoes, and you're good to go. If you sold 10,000 CD's, you should have netted over $50,000. Time to buy *another* Radio Shack mic.
It's my opinion that good recordings can be made with prosumer gear, the source is more important than the gear, and the engineer is more important than the gear. I agree with you, and pretty much everybody else, on that.
However, I also believe that there is no magical quality that makes good gear produce bad recordings. Just like being poor doesn't mean you are lazy, having money doesn't mean you are an asshole, or a snob. I do my best to help everybody I can on this bord, regardless of their knowledge base, or their gear.
This is *home* recording.com, and a lot of people here have $50,000+ worth of gear in their *home*. Get over it. Believe it or not, a lot of those people have made the comittment not just to the gear, but to the hard work of making professional quality recordings at home, and many of them know things you don't. They would try to help you, if you didn't give them a load of attitude and bogus generalizations. You're angry, but you don't have anything to be angry about. If anything will produce bad art, that will.-Richie
The guy tried erasing part of it. The master says, "No.", and draws the line back. The kid tries every way, and then gives up. The master takes the chalk and draws a longer line next to the first one. He says, "There- it's shorter. Why are you trying so hard to shorten his line, instead of lengthening yours?"
Yep, I live in the suburbs. That means I must have been given money, right? I wish I remembered that when I was homeless, selling blood to get over. I'm sure I would have felt better about it at the time. I've got an Avalon AD2022 right next to my Behringer ADA8000, and a pair of Neumann's and a B.L.U.E. Kiwi right next to my Oktavas and my AKG dynamics. They sound just the same right, and I can't tell the difference?- my ass.
All this high end gear has made my music boring, 'cause I have no talent, no balls, no story to tell, no soul, just all this gear I bought to impress a bunch of gear sluts, right? I'll tell ya-(nothing good comes after this, right?) You don't know anything about my life, my story, my passions, or my music, so don't act like you do.
So I must lead people to this expensive gear to discourage them right? Well, no, I don't. I encourage them to get the best gear they can afford, whatever that is, and to spend their money wisely, however much it is. And yes, occasionally I hand out a reality check, because like it or not, professional quality recording takes money, quite a bit of it, and your rant won't change that.
You contradict yourself. First, you tell me that most of the commercial shit on the radio is garbage, and you want to get away from that sound. Then you tell me that I'm supposed to be impressed because of regional airplay, and how impressed I'm supposed to be because some rappers made it big with lo-fi recordings done on cheap-ass gear. Commercial success is, in *no* way or form, indicative of artistic achievement. It's a testimony to good marketing. *That's* the hype you shouldn't believe. On the other hand, it's not a crime to make money, and a lot of the frustrated artists on this board act like it is. They are generally people who don't make money. Most "starving artists" are self made. They usually made themselves poor through bad choices. Of course, you identify yourself as a poor starving artist, presumably because of your unwillingness to compromise your high artistic standards. But what the hell, a few groupie hoes, and you're good to go. If you sold 10,000 CD's, you should have netted over $50,000. Time to buy *another* Radio Shack mic.
It's my opinion that good recordings can be made with prosumer gear, the source is more important than the gear, and the engineer is more important than the gear. I agree with you, and pretty much everybody else, on that.
However, I also believe that there is no magical quality that makes good gear produce bad recordings. Just like being poor doesn't mean you are lazy, having money doesn't mean you are an asshole, or a snob. I do my best to help everybody I can on this bord, regardless of their knowledge base, or their gear.
This is *home* recording.com, and a lot of people here have $50,000+ worth of gear in their *home*. Get over it. Believe it or not, a lot of those people have made the comittment not just to the gear, but to the hard work of making professional quality recordings at home, and many of them know things you don't. They would try to help you, if you didn't give them a load of attitude and bogus generalizations. You're angry, but you don't have anything to be angry about. If anything will produce bad art, that will.-Richie