Dongle Crack for SX 2

[Bass Master "K"]

Come on Burden Of Proof, I challenge you to be the first thief that can say this:

"If everyone in the world turned to stolen software, no one would be hurt by it."

Because that is the premise of every thief's arguement. No one is hurt by it. Well if this is true, then it wouldn't matter if everyone did as you did right? So go ahead and post the above statement as being true. So far no one else has been able to.

 

[Flight 16]

sorry to kick this thread off again...but apparently downloading has got so bad that the Movie industry are feeling it...and also the Govnement are loosing a large amount of money from it...

this had led to heavy discussions and now talk of policing illegal downloads.

you will soon be able to be tracked down and fined if you are found with download software on your PC/Mac

No, they will not be able to catch everyone...but they will be able to make money from fining people.

so I would think stuff like Cubase and so on could also get something out of this and will people still be so free to nick the software knowing that a £2000 fine could be knocking at the front door....I for one will wipe all my music download software from my PC the moment I hear this is in motion...and I would certainty not be talking about it on a forum.

 

[NYMorningstar]

....I for one will wipe all my music download software from my PC the moment I hear this is in motion....

Why wait...?

 

[warble]

...I for one will wipe all my music download software from my PC the moment I hear this is in motion...and I would certainty not be talking about it on a forum.

You just did talk about it on this forum.

 

[Flight 16]

Why wait...?

Well firstly I will say I started to use Cubase as a hack user...as I didn't want to go out and buy something I was not sure I would still be using in a years time or so...when I got into it I paid for SE "studiocase" ...then my manager was happy with what I was doing and gave me £100 to jump to SL ..that got me development cash from Universal and now I have SX3

The amount of time and money I put into my music and work very hard to get recognition...and the reason it is extra hard is music download has made getting a deal harder than ever.... and there is less money going to artists...

so if record companies are to greedy thinking of quick ways to line there pockets rather than thinking of a good way of getting the biz back on a steady road....then I will use the advantages that come my way as there are very few for musicians nowadays...

should I get the deal I will suffer the whack from less CD sales....so it works both ways...bottom line is in this world if there is a way of getting something for nothing people will take it....

regarding Cubase ...I really do think if people have the cash and earn a living out of it they will buy it....if you have not got the cash or just use it now and again they will use a hack....if anything it works as good advertising for Cubase.... I have a full version now...but I would not have got it if I didn't use the hack and see the results it gave me..I then felt I wanted to be the owner of it and have more security with it

n e one who brags about having a hack would really like to own it....why would he be in the room...one day he probably will. and that's good for Cubase

 

[Flight 16]

You just did talk about it on this forum.

ahhh but they have not enforced it yet...

 

[Bass Master "K"]

sorry to kick this thread off again...but apparently downloading has got so bad that the Movie industry are feeling it...and also the Govnement are loosing a large amount of money from it...

this had led to heavy discussions and now talk of policing illegal downloads.

Don't worry, you didn't kick it off again, it was still going. I'm still waiting for a software thief be honest and answer my post at the top of the page. I think I have found software thief kryptonite because so far none of them can be intellectually disingenuine enough to repeat the statement.

Yes the film industry has been very concerned about it. The difference between them and the recording industry is that the film industry actually gets motivated to take action in short order. The music industry contentedly waits until there are so many holes in the ship, that it seems impossible to stop the sinking of the ship. If they had cracked down hard, with all the force that the law allowed them, on the first few file sharing sites, they might have been able to drastically reduce the amount of thieving going on. But they waited so long with no one suffering any penalty for stealing music, that many people now think that it really isn't that wrong, and after all what is the chances of them getting caught. It's like leaving your door open and when someone comes in and takes something, you don't even bother to call the police. So they come back and bring a friend. And the the friend brings a friend. Pretty soon passerby's see these people and think "heck, this must be okay, no one is getting caught".

The funny thing is, that after the crackdown of Napster, and the couple of thousand people who were being fined bigtime for file sharing, when these people were confronted with the penalties for what they did they all said the same thing "I didn't think it was wrong, after all there are thousands of users who were doing it." It makes me want to b-slap them. Just because lots of people do something illegal doesn't make it right and I think this post shows just how many people there are out there who can't see this as truth.

It shouldn't take the threat of the law to make people do the right thing. But apparently with many people that is exactly what has to happen or they will do the wrong thing. The true test of a persons character is if they do the right thing because it is right, not because they think they won't be caught. What a beautiful world we would live in if we had more of the first type of people, and less (or better yet none) of the second.

 

[NYMorningstar]

Well firstly I will say I started to use Cubase as a hack user...as I didn't want to go out and buy something I was not sure I would still be using in a years time or so...

So what are you going to tell your kids when they grow up? Hey, I started my music career as a thief! No don't think so.

Maybe you'll tell them it's ok to steal something as long as you buy from that company in the future? No think so

You'll probably lie to them either by exclusion of the truth or even directly like most thieves do.

I think you need to be more careful about the way you live your life and the decisions you make especially when it comes to your children. You see, the nut don't fall far from the tree.

 

[Quasar]

1) I am a Sonar user so I don't really belong here. The dongle crack thing just got my attention.

2) I legitimately buy everything I use, and would not consider doing otherwise.

That having been said, the infantile self-righteous nonsense, including your "poll" with its pejorative use of anatomical slang, is enough to make me barf.

What about some kid in the ghetto, who finds a pirated version of something that would get him/her off the streets and potentially change their whole life?
I'm gonna call the Thought Police on this kid? I'm gonna sit and judge?

Get real, people. This thread is an embarassment...

 

[Flight 16]

Don't worry, you didn't kick it off again, it was still going. I'm still waiting for a software thief be honest and answer my post at the top of the page. I think I have found software thief kryptonite because so far none of them can be intellectually disingenuine enough to repeat the statement.

Yes the film industry has been very concerned about it. The difference between them and the recording industry is that the film industry actually gets motivated to take action in short order. The music industry contentedly waits until there are so many holes in the ship, that it seems impossible to stop the sinking of the ship. If they had cracked down hard, with all the force that the law allowed them, on the first few file sharing sites, they might have been able to drastically reduce the amount of thieving going on. But they waited so long with no one suffering any penalty for stealing music, that many people now think that it really isn't that wrong, and after all what is the chances of them getting caught. It's like leaving your door open and when someone comes in and takes something, you don't even bother to call the police. So they come back and bring a friend. And the the friend brings a friend. Pretty soon passerby's see these people and think "heck, this must be okay, no one is getting caught".

The funny thing is, that after the crackdown of Napster, and the couple of thousand people who were being fined bigtime for file sharing, when these people were confronted with the penalties for what they did they all said the same thing "I didn't think it was wrong, after all there are thousands of users who were doing it." It makes me want to b-slap them. Just because lots of people do something illegal doesn't make it right and I think this post shows just how many people there are out there who can't see this as truth.

It shouldn't take the threat of the law to make people do the right thing. But apparently with many people that is exactly what has to happen or they will do the wrong thing. The true test of a persons character is if they do the right thing because it is right, not because they think they won't be caught. What a beautiful world we would live in if we had more of the first type of people, and less (or better yet none) of the second.

I agree with you.... in a perfect world it would be great for us all to be honest....but sometimes the "need" takes over the "shouldn't" and there is to much greed in this world for the perfect Image you talk off and there is LOADS of greed in the music biz.... Record companies have been ripping people off and steeling for years, I owe Sanctuary 20.000 that %100 not even there's...I call that rape! so on that side they are just getting the Karma back they deserve..companies were also starting to get VERY Greedy ..it got to the point you were looking at £15/£16 for a CD! that's a lot of dough for an average Joe nowadays who has every right to enjoy there generations music.

I do feel music should not be Free and it should be controlled so the people involved can get back what they put in....it costs money to make music and it sure costs to get to a posission where you can make music...

but at the moment record companies are more interested in releasing a load of crap that they already know who will buy....just to scrape through to the next year...like you say it has taken the movie guys to start doing something..... I look at it as the music biz being caught with there pants down....so I think its good everyone has had a pay day out of them!!

get back some of that blood money! ...but for the sake of music I hope and im sure the ship will steady out soon..so there will be more cash to put into real talent to develop and get a fare crack at the whip rather than all thoughs useless lap dancers trying to sing! and getting played to death on MTV

 

[Flight 16]

So what are you going to tell your kids when they grow up? Hey, I started my music career as a thief! No don't think so.

Maybe you'll tell them it's ok to steal something as long as you buy from that company in the future? No think so

You'll probably lie to them either by exclusion of the truth or even directly like most thieves do.

I think you need to be more careful about the way you live your life and the decisions you make especially when it comes to your children. You see, the nut don't fall far from the tree.

Im sorry ...i have to say you seem quite sheltered.

this is a Dog eat Dog world and money is evil.... i dont look at downloading at the moment as stealing....it is simply taking advantage of a hole in the industry...the fact is file sharing is not against the law. I think it should be but at the moment its not....it is an on going fight...

were not talking about a little man running his shop to pay his bills we are talking of greedy companies who are by all means not inocent and would not stop if they had a way of stealing another mans deal .

"we can take 1000.00000.0000 off you because you didnt read clause 200000..000000 properly and cant afford a layer anymore to prove us wrong...now bend over !!

i dont feel one ounce of guilt, and i would gladly teach my kids not to feel bad from taking advantage of a mistake by greedy people with way to much money for his own advantage....but stealing is somthing i do not link with it. stealing is taking somthing somone else need and owns and make it your own...I call downloading as grabing hold of somthing that has fallen off an over flowing cart! ...why the hell not?

if your talking Cubase...i guess downloading that and useing it is theft...but as i have said Cubase can only benafit from this and i bet have sold copies due to people being introduced by a Hack.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

 

[Bass Master "K"]

1) I am a Sonar user so I don't really belong here. The dongle crack thing just got my attention.

2) I legitimately buy everything I use, and would not consider doing otherwise.

That having been said, the infantile self-righteous nonsense, including your "poll" with its pejorative use of anatomical slang, is enough to make me barf.

What about some kid in the ghetto, who finds a pirated version of something that would get him/her off the streets and potentially change their whole life?
I'm gonna call the Thought Police on this kid? I'm gonna sit and judge?

Get real, people. This thread is an embarassment...

The embarassment here your post. Next time try reading a thread before you bother to post. The content that you are trying belittle people here with has been posted, and addressed, already in the many pages that this thread now encompasses. Try adding something relevant next time, keeping the discussion moving forward, rather than back as your post tried to do. Thank you.

 

[Bass Master "K"]

i dont look at downloading at the moment as stealing....it is simply taking advantage of a hole in the industry...the fact is file sharing is not against the law. I think it should be but at the moment its not....it is an on going fight...

Flight, I don't know where you get your info, but file sharing of material that is under copyright IS against the law. It is just a law that has had little enforcement. It's not an ongoing fight. It is just that the industry is trying to best figure out how to go about prosecuting and inforcing the current laws.

Regarding getting it in the shorts from the record labels, well that does happen to some artists. We protect ourselves by using lawyers to the best of our ability, it is all we can do. On the other side, the label takes all the chances financially. A report I read two years ago said the big labels lose money on 9 out of 10 acts that they sign. That's nine out of ten groups that they give more money to than they get back, so they get it in the shorts too. Everyone does. And by thinking that your somehow screwing them by stealing songs on the net...the only person you screw is the artist, who is either
a) trying to make back the money fronted to them by the record companies so they can get in the clear
or
b) trying to earn a living because they have already paid back the label

It's that simple, it always comes back to hurting the artist. Just because you might not agree with some of the acts that a label signs, it isn't justification for stealing from other artists that they do support that you wouldn't mind listening to.

With software, there is also no loophole. File sharing is currently classified as theft. It's just that there is little chance of getting caught. So before you teach your kids to take advantage of a loophole, you need to make sure one exists, because here it doesn't. All you would be teaching them is how to steal. And this is what I am talking about. You are a perfect example of someone who has been around theft of music and software so much that you don't realize it IS a crime.

Which brings us back here....can you repeat this statement and mean it in all honestness:
"If everyone in the world turned to stolen software (and music), no one would be hurt by it."

 

[Flight 16]

Flight, I don't know where you get your info, but file sharing of material that is under copyright IS against the law. It is just a law that has had little enforcement. It's not an ongoing fight. It is just that the industry is trying to best figure out how to go about prosecuting and inforcing the current laws.

Regarding getting it in the shorts from the record labels, well that does happen to some artists. We protect ourselves by using lawyers to the best of our ability, it is all we can do. On the other side, the label takes all the chances financially. A report I read two years ago said the big labels lose money on 9 out of 10 acts that they sign. That's nine out of ten groups that they give more money to than they get back, so they get it in the shorts too. Everyone does. And by thinking that your somehow screwing them by stealing songs on the net...the only person you screw is the artist, who is either
a) trying to make back the money fronted to them by the record companies so they can get in the clear
or
b) trying to earn a living because they have already paid back the label

It's that simple, it always comes back to hurting the artist. Just because you might not agree with some of the acts that a label signs, it isn't justification for stealing from other artists that they do support that you wouldn't mind listening to.

With software, there is also no loophole. File sharing is currently classified as theft. It's just that there is little chance of getting caught. So before you teach your kids to take advantage of a loophole, you need to make sure one exists, because here it doesn't. All you would be teaching them is how to steal. And this is what I am talking about. You are a perfect example of someone who has been around theft of music and software so much that you don't realize it IS a crime.

Which brings us back here....can you repeat this statement and mean it in all honestness:
"If everyone in the world turned to stolen software (and music), no one would be hurt by it."

Ok so Now they may have managed to get some lawer to dig into some law somewhere which means that means that this means that that means that this means that that's means that its elegal!!! ...firstly sending one person a computer file is/was not against the Law, copying music is. once it is in a computer it is a file. this is why it has not been as easy for them to stop it..... now they are talking about more policing maybe they got some law they can use..

IF people can afford a lawyer!! they yes it helps...who has the best lawyers?? it is just a legal way of bullying and some Lawyers are the biggest crooks of the lot!

yes record companies take 10 bands and brake one...its called throwing them all in the mixer and waiting for the golden egg...this is why indi labels are more respected because they take a talent and they work it hard!...

record companies do not loose any money they don't want to...(until now) as they know how many bands they will sign and they have it all panned out....why you think they have so much money?

I did not say I download songs because I want to get back at them.... I said I take advantage of the free gift without feeling bad for the company... yes the artists do suffer but if I think the artist are good I will go buy the CD anyway... ..im just not prepared to dish out £15 to find out if a band is pap. which most of them are now IMO

I am not a criminal.... I don't think Steinberg are either ...record companies rip people off every day... they only play by the rules because they have enough money to make them.... don't get me wrong I have friend in A&R and so on ..nice people....but im talking about the people with the books ....

if I put a record out people will download my track...but I can play live so I don't care..I will make money be actually playing...

and they way I see it the industry has nicked 20.000 off me so that's allot of CDs I am entitled too !


I would also like to Add the only reason artists are loosing money is the companies have been to busy making sure they dont have to sell there 30th car to focus on sorting out the problem...

I think they will get a sertan grip on it...and yes i do think its fare that musicans get a more secure industry as most of them throw there lives into music ... but i do not know a musicnan on this earth who has not or would not download a few tunes off the internet...

 

[HangDawg]

im just not prepared to dish out £15 to find out if a band is pap. which most of them are now IMO

I am not a criminal.... I don't think Steinberg are either ...record companies rip people off every day...

WTF, when was the last time an employee of a record company came to your house and stole something from you (or anybody for that matter)? How are they ripping people off? Either you buy their product or you don't (you steal it).

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

It's the same bullshit justifications, over and over again.......

 

[Flight 16]

WTF, when was the last time an employee of a record company came to your house and stole something from you (or anybody for that matter)? How are they ripping people off? Either you buy their product or you don't (you steal it).

I have been ripped of by record companies a friend of mine is BEING ripped off by a record company and a friend of mine is being ripped off by a manager too...

the fact that you don't think Record companies rip people of is not only incredibly naive its also very un observant...

....so if I nick a car from someone and sell it ..its my car right...my money?..
if you think record companies run an honest biz you are very much mistaken....not only to bands but to A&R and who ever it happens every day people get used and abused and abused by the system they create!

now kids are getting some free music and companies know what its like to be stuffed from behind in day light!!! WWWWWHHHOOOO WWHHOOOO!!!!!

JUSTICE!!!!! ...get in there!! ...see how that feels!!!!! BANG! BANG!BANG! ...hurts doesn't it!!!? ...Go on boy!!!! Slap Slap!!!!

enjoy it while it lasts that what I say!

it has also given indi labels who go for more talent based music a chance to grow too!

 

[Flight 16]

It's the same bullshit justifications, over and over again.......

I don't need to justify anything as I did not even need to say anything...

I just don't judge what is good and bad by the rules that a government set. We can all see what there rules can achieve ..(another story) and they only benefit a certain bracket of people....

being dishonest IS bad ..., but there are worse things in this world than people wanting to get a 3 min tune off the internet to help them along.

this is coming from a struggling musician!

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

*yawn*

Any else care to repeat the same old tired rhetoric? I'm sure we'd all love to hear the same bullshit posted yet again...