Dongle Crack for SX 2

[AlfredB]

it sounds to me like all the crack idiots out there are deeply offended by all this talk about theft... that would usually indicate that they know it's wrong... when people know they don't have an argument, they tend to say "fuck you" alot and resort to little school verbalism...

you are dead right on here in your analisis ...

its called "cognitive dissonances", and it causes people all kinds of problems ...

 

[Hector_Osbert]

Oh well whatever, nevermind

Originally Posted by Chriss
it sounds to me like all the crack idiots out there are deeply offended by all this talk about theft... that would usually indicate that they know it's wrong... when people know they don't have an argument, they tend to say "fuck you" alot and resort to little school verbalism...



I never got offended at being called a thief. I'd have to be in some lunar state of denial to not know that what I'm doing is legally 'wrong'. What does offend people like me is being compared to the common thief that would willingly nick your TV if your front door was left open for a couple of minutes. If I could download a copy of a car, I wouldn't hesitate. No matter how hard Blue Bear tightens his fists and bangs them on the table while pulling out what's left of his hair saying, 'Theft is theft is theft'...it just plain and simple ain't. You guys ever heard of Robin Hood?? I'm not comparing my deeds to his, but in your world it sounds like you see the Sheriff of Nottingham as the good guy.
The only thing that pissed me off really was you guys assuming I couldn't write music. That's what made start writing back in the first place. Now I stay because I kind of like it here. Its cosy.

 

[HangDawg]

saying, 'Theft is theft is theft'...it just plain and simple ain't.

So when is theft not theft?



Boy that sounds stupid.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I never got offended at being called a thief. I'd have to be in some lunar state of denial to not know that what I'm doing is legally 'wrong'. What does offend people like me is being compared to the common thief that would willingly nick your TV if your front door was left open for a couple of minutes. If I could download a copy of a car, I wouldn't hesitate. No matter how hard Blue Bear tightens his fists and bangs them on the table while pulling out what's left of his hair saying, 'Theft is theft is theft'...it just plain and simple ain't. You guys ever heard of Robin Hood?? I'm not comparing my deeds to his, but in your world it sounds like you see the Sheriff of Nottingham as the good guy.
The only thing that pissed me off really was you guys assuming I couldn't write music. That's what made start writing back in the first place. Now I stay because I kind of like it here. Its cosy.

Spew your clueless "rationalizations" enough and you might almost convince yourself, eh?

 

[Hector_Osbert]

So when is theft not theft?

Dweeb, you know I was talking about degrees of theft. Which is what half the posts on this board is about.

Hey Blue Bear do you just sit online with this page open hitting refresh every five minutes?? I don't really give a crap if you're one of the predominant members of this board, enlightening souls on audiophilliac matters. You seem like a bit of a dork really, the kind of guy who wasn't cool or pretty enough to be in a high school band. Or maybe you were, but then they kicked you out forcing you round to the other side of the glass. Those who can do, those who can't.....teach. Ahhhh, I digress. It all makes sense to me and the millions of others who download on a regular basis. Why don't you try shoving your morals onto a Warez board just to see what its like to be mocked and flamed by others who don't share your sense of 'values'. Go on, I dare you.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I don't really give a crap if you're one of the predominant members of this board, enlightening souls on audiophilliac matters. You seem like a bit of a dork really, the kind of guy who wasn't cool or pretty enough to be in a high school band. Or maybe you were, but then they kicked you out forcing you round to the other side of the glass. Those who can do, those who can't.....teach. Ahhhh, I digress. It all makes sense to me and the millions of others who download on a regular basis. Why don't you try shoving your morals onto a Warez board just to see what its like to be mocked and flamed by others who don't share your sense of 'values'. Go on, I dare you.

*yawn* more tired rhetoric............

 

[NL5]

So when is theft not theft?



Boy that sounds stupid.

Well, first off -

WOW! I can't belive this thread is still going.

Secondly, I suck - I read an article by someone way smarter than anyone here, explaining why stealing non tangible items is NOT like theft of a actual "something", but I can't find it now. It actually changed my mind...if I find it I will post it.


That being said, theft of copyrighted works is still wrong....

 

[Kevin Deschwazi]

Well, first off -

WOW! I can't belive this thread is still going.

Secondly, I suck - I read an article by someone way smarter than anyone here, explaining why stealing non tangible items is NOT like theft of a actual "something", but I can't find it now. It actually changed my mind...if I find it I will post it.


That being said, theft of copyrighted works is still wrong....

Is that a joke?

"stealing non tangible items is NOT like theft of a actual "something"

No shit! It's stealing something non tangible which isn't an actual "something"....

but it's still stealing, so what new view point is being bought to the table here?

 

[Bass Master "K"]

Welcome back, BMK!

*hugs*

AAAAKKKKKKKKKK! *gasp* BEAR........ HUG.........CAN'T.......... BREATH!!!!



Thanks for the welcome back. Of all the damn luck I had moisture issues in my studio to greet me when I got home so I have spent the last two days getting that cleared up. It's good to be home and somewhat rejuvinated. I don't know why the hell it is, but when I take a vacation and go away from home, I always feel like I need a vacation when I get back.

Go figure!

 

[NYMorningstar]

I suck - I read an article by someone way smarter than anyone here, explaining why stealing non tangible items is NOT like theft of a actual "something"

Who died and left you the judge of who is smarter? I think you judged the first part right though.

I never got offended at being called a thief.

Hector they call this denial. Not only are you offended being called one but you are a common thief. Face it and repent brother!

On a side note, the price of oil is up over $48 a barrell today, I think the bigger thieves are going to win this race.

 

[NL5]

Is that a joke?

"stealing non tangible items is NOT like theft of a actual "something"

No shit! It's stealing something non tangible which isn't an actual "something"....

but it's still stealing, so what new view point is being bought to the table here?

If I could find the article you would understand. I won't even attempt an explantion.

And, yes, I'm not bringing anything new, since I can't find it - that's why I said "I Suck"

 

[NL5]

Who died and left you the judge of who is smarter?

You never got the memo?

 

[Bass Master "K"]

I never got offended at being called a thief. I'd have to be in some lunar state of denial to not know that what I'm doing is legally 'wrong'. What does offend people like me is being compared to the common thief that would willingly nick your TV if your front door was left open for a couple of minutes. If I could download a copy of a car, I wouldn't hesitate. No matter how hard Blue Bear tightens his fists and bangs them on the table while pulling out what's left of his hair saying, 'Theft is theft is theft'...it just plain and simple ain't. You guys ever heard of Robin Hood?? I'm not comparing my deeds to his, but in your world it sounds like you see the Sheriff of Nottingham as the good guy.
The only thing that pissed me off really was you guys assuming I couldn't write music. That's what made start writing back in the first place. Now I stay because I kind of like it here. Its cosy.

Actually, I, not Bear, am the one who repeatedly has stated the "theft is theft is theft" philosophy. I would guess that he agrees with me, but I hate to have you insinuating the wrong person is pulling their hair out. Nothing is sadder than a patchy bear. The funny thing is, you admit you know it's illegal, yet you try to say it's NOT wrong. You can't have it both ways.

Regarding your Robin Hood question (which I have adressed posts trying to give a "Robin Hood" was good excuse for their behavior), it doesn't hold up in a free society. In a dictatorship, yes, the ruler can tax his people to such a degree that they are oppressed financially. It is the stuff revolutions are made of. But how you can even breath a word of comparison to your situation and the one of a powerless people being taken advantage of.....give me a break. Steinberg isn't taking anything from you, you are taking from them. You are laughably much closer to the Sheriff of Nottingham that you seem to hate, than you are to Robin Hood. You take what isn't rightfully yours and you do it with no apparent remorse.

You can stay here being all cozy all you want, I just hope that you are able to run your cracked software on your own because most people here won't give you advice other than on this thread.

 

[Kevin Deschwazi]

I won't even attempt an explantion.

Yeah but you did, I guess that was your problem.

Consider my breath bated.

 

[dealwithit]

A few thoughts on all this:
I was first exposed to the "cracking" world when I got interested in Flash. As soon as I began looking for information on Flash, I found out that it can be "cracked". I used the demo of Flash for awhile (I wasn't too sure about this "cracking" thing, because I knew it was wrong, and I also wasn't too sure about illegally obtaining such expensive software), but it really wasn't my thing, so I uninstalled it and moved on. Next was Photoshop. Yes, cracks are everywhere for Photoshop (the newest version requires "Product Activation", much like WinXP, to prevent cracking). It seemed any product I became interested in, there was a crack/download available. I got into 3D graphics for awhile. Same thing: Maya Unlimited? No problem. Lightwave 3D? Easily found. Softimage XSI? Same thing. I avoided using them illegally, but everytime I went searching for information, tutorials, etc., there were the cracks. And often, the newest version of any software was available for download BEFORE the public release.

I avoided all of it, but it kept popping up in searches. I think this is a large reason why it becomes so acceptable to people. The old "if everyone's doing it, why not me?" argument. The "who could it hurt?" argument. I know Adobe for one is very concerned about piracy (product activation), because there are legit studios that simply copy one version of Photoshop on 10 or 12 machines. THAT is a loss of legitimate revenue. The same with Microsoft. Ever hear of the Business Software Alliance? All it takes is one call from a former employee stating "they use the same copy of xxxxx software on xxx machines" and they come out and verify all of the licenses. Fines and penalties can range into the hundred-thousands.

I know alot of people who have used cracked software. I got my first taste of 3ds Max from a cracked copy (not mine) that I got to see in action. I downloaded the demo, and it wasn't for me. I ended up purchasing Lightwave 3D (a purchase I wish I could have back, it's worth less than 30% of what I initially paid for it, and I don't use it), but only after test-driving a cracked copy BECAUSE NEWTEK WON'T GIVE OUT THEIR DEMO, regardless of who you contact (some have waited 6-8 months for the CD that supposedly "shipped this week"). I would love to have Maya Unlimited, but I cannot afford it.

A few things I'd like to point out:

On a fine tuned music PC the cracked version of SX will make your system more unstable coz of the program running in the background emulating the dongle protection. Just another of those processes that you try to keep away from to optimate a digital workstation on the PC.

This is entirely untrue. The crackers simply remove the call to the dongle code. The software no longer needs it to run, there is no "emulation" going on. Professionals use cracked software all the time (there are a few big names that use cracked Photoshop), and it's not a stability problem. Read up on it if you think otherwise.

I decided I would like to record on the PC, and my search began for affordable software. Just like in 3D graphics, the prices are quite high. The affordable software is decent, and does what I need it to do. I, in fact, decided to begin with Kristal, as I've read good reviews and downloaded it, and have learned its ins and outs, and am quite happy with it (for now). When I need to step up, I'll do research again, and I'm sure on the first page will be several offers of cracks for the popular programs. I know I'll resist, but how many others will? It's just that pervasive.

People seem to have a "ahh, these kids these days, they don't want to work for anything, they just want it handed to them" attitude. Yes, maybe they do, but just maybe, after having it shoved in their faces for so long, the old "why not me" argument takes over their moral value against a perceived wrong, and they go ahead and download Cubase, play with it for a week or two, then uninstall it to make room for their cracked "Doom 3". It's honestly that pervasive, it's everywhere. Product activation may sound like Big Brother, but it's coming, and soon.

 

[NL5]

Yeah but you did, I guess that was your problem.

Consider my breath bated.

Man, who pissed in your Cheerios?

Your spending so much time telling me that I'm not "contributing" to this OVERBLOWN USLESS THREAD, all the while WTF are you doing?

I'll leave you all to your "fun".

Peace.

NL5

EDIT - It was Stanford University Technology Law Professor Lawerence Lessig . Anyway, I have yet to find where the paper is published, but here is part of what it talks about (unfortunetly not the part I was reffering too) -

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,48625,00.html

I'm sure you can find the rest of the paper yourself.......

 

[Kevin Deschwazi]

Man, who pissed in your Cheerios?

Your spending so much time telling me that I'm not "contributing" to this OVERBLOWN USLESS THREAD, all the while WTF are you doing?

I'll leave you all to your "fun".

Peace.

NL5

EDIT - It was Stanford University Technology Law Professor Lawerence Lessig . Anyway, I have yet to find where the paper is published, but here is part of what it talks about (unfortunetly not the part I was reffering too) -

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,48625,00.html

I'm sure you can find the rest of the paper yourself.......

I had a feeling it'd take you about 0.03 seconds to start getting eggy and rude. Good lad.

And you'd think I'd be the pissy one seeing as I'm the one who pays for my software. It's a funny old world.

The article you posted speaks of copyright in the context of people who write music and film scripts. I guess if you're going to use the work of someone who's cleverer than you (or any of us for that matter) then you should probably try and understand what they are saying before using it in a discussion.

Interesting link though.

 

[NL5]

I had a feeling it'd take you about 0.03 seconds to start getting eggy and rude. Good lad.

And you'd think I'd be the pissy one seeing as I'm the one who pays for my software. It's a funny old world.

The article you posted speaks of copyright in the context of people who write music and film scripts. I guess if you're going to use the work of someone who's cleverer than you (or any of us for that matter) then you should probably try and understand what they are saying before using it in a discussion.

Interesting link though.

OK - One last post.

Where did I say I didn't pay for software?

If you read back through my posts, I say several times that I don't agree that it is ok to steal software, and I believe I have said that I pay for mine (which I do).

If you'd like, I can even post a pic of my Dongle.

Also, if you read my post, I said that is NOT the article I was reffering to, but it talks about the paper written by Lessig that I AM referring to.

 

[Kevin Deschwazi]

OK - One last post.

Where did I say I didn't pay for software?

If you read back through my posts, I say several times that I don't agree that it is ok to steal software, and I believe I have said that I pay for mine (which I do).

If you'd like, I can even post a pic of my Dongle.

Also, if you read my post, I said that is NOT the article I was reffering to, but it talks about the paper written by Lessig that I AM referring to.

OK I apologise. You said you'd "changed your mind" so I think some of our views on this may now differ. However I have no interest in arguing as opposed to discussing.

(I'll pass on the pic offer thanks )

 

[MacODun]

Ignore those idiots Hector, or Herbert of whatever your name is.

The dongle crack is just a question of hacking the synsoacc.dll

I hacked mine, not because I didn't pay for Cubase, 'cos I did, but it makes it much more stable.

But, if you're not smart enough to figure out how to do it, I doubt if you're smart enough to use Cubase.

Mac