Dongle Crack for SX 2

[protein]

A back-up copy is not illegal in my country - I'm not sure about the USA.

Hmm. Practically the same country.

Would it be illegal if you posted me a copy of your software?

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

since you don't have any good counter-arguments?

My arguments are clearly posted throughout this thread... can't you read????

Nothing - I didn't make this statement or harbour such a belief, please quote the piece of text that makes you think I believe this.

I rest my case....... read your own fucking posts -- you've contradicted yourself several times and flip-flopped even more.......

I'm not wasting any more time on your idiocy.... you're presenting nothing new - just a re-hash of the same tired rationalizations that can't be justified.... you sound pretty young, I'm guessing early 20's at best.........

You're a well-spoken knob, but a knob nonetheless.........

 

[Codmate]

You think like a criminal. A criminal mind can justify any crime by just saying the law is stooopid. It's rather obvious that you know little about the law and less about morals. To break a law for the common good is rediculous considering the laws are made for the common good.

Where did I say I was using pirated software?
"ASSUME" makes an "ASS" out of "U" and "ME".

If you believe all laws are made for the common good you're living in a different reality than mine. There are many unjust laws. Why do you think laws are constantly in a state of flux? Societies and their values are in a constant state of flux and laws change to reflect this.

I said Do you or do you not agree with the statement "if all expensive music software was uncrackable its user base would not increase significantly (significantly being defined as 'more than five percent')"? If you don't agree provide proofs as to why.
Again, if you disagree provide concrete examples rather than saying 'do some freaking fact checking', which may make me laugh, but does not convince me one iota.
To which you replied:

Again, extending your argument into the territory of the ridiculous. Now you're showing your ignorance in the marketing and economics field.

Maybe you missed it due to poor eyesight or dyslexia, in which case you have my sympathy, but I said If you don't agree provide proofs as to why.
Since you have provided no proofs your response is void.

Again, the criminal mind at work. Whether you agree with a law or not you should follow it until such time you can get it changed.

Are you accusing me of being a criminal when you have no idea who I am?

You also need to ask yourself "Has there ever been an unjust law in history?". Slavery was legal at one point.
Who decides when "such time you can get it changed" is?

Only arguing this for educational piracy? Well waffle waffle why don't you. You sure you're not majoring in politics? Not only don't you think like a criminal but now I'm believing that you're a liar too. I seem to recall that you were arguing for piracy alone in one of your earlier posts.

"Seem to recall"? Quote me from an earlier post - I have done no such thing.
And now I get called a liar. Hmmmmm. The personal insults always start rolling as soon as people run out of lucid arguments.

You know, if you completed college(which I don't believe) then you should go back because there is still alot left for you to learn. There is always the option for you though to just go rob a bank because those laws are real stupid too.

Why don't you believe I have completed a college course? Also you seem to think that this is some kind of insult. I need say no more on this point.

It's not my business to wave my various qualifications at you - they're not really relevant to the argument other than the fact I had to fight to book time with equipment when studying and know what it's like to feel you have insufficient experience with a crucial piece of software when applying for a job for which it is a requirement.

BTW - I loved the 'criminal mind' stuff, please keep that up - I'll save this post for a good laugh later

 

[Codmate]

My arguments are clearly posted throughout this thread... can't you read????




I rest my case....... read your own fucking posts -- you've contradicted yourself several times and flip-flopped even more.......

I'm not wasting any more time on your idiocy......

You're a well-spoken knob, but a knob nonetheless.........

I've read your vapid arguments and they don't bear any relevance to mine.

The fact that you can do no more than swear at me and bandy insults is rather sad behaviour for a full grown man (if you are a full grown man) and rather proves that you have lost the debate.

Again - I offer you the opportunity to justify yourself, although I doubt you can. If I have contradicted myself please point out where and maybe I can clarify. You don't seem terribly interested in having a lucid discussion though.

I can't imagine why.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

*yawn*




Maybe if you actually presented viable points, you could generate a useful discussion, but since you seem incapable of consistent reasoning...... what's the point?

 

[Codmate]

Hmm. Practically the same country.

Would it be illegal if you posted me a copy of your software?

Highly

 

[Codmate]

*yawn*




Maybe if you actually presented viable points, you could generate a useful discussion, but since you seem incapable of consistent reasoning...... what's the point?

OK - can I re-state my beliefs again without being called names again I wonder?

• If you are making money off the software you should buy it.
• If you can afford the software you should buy it.
• If you can't afford the software, but want to make music on your computer you should buy cheaper software (or use GNU/Linux and other GNU stuff).
• If you are learning the software for a future career, can't afford it, and are following a recognised college course, good luck to you!

Points that back up this set of views, and that I have yet to be proved wrong about:

• The fact that some students use cracked versions of music software does not financially hurt the companies that make them. In some cases it can be shown that it is of long-term benefit to them. Students that learn to use a particular piece of software perpetuate the use of that software, eventually generating revenue for the company concerned.
• 'Educational' versions of expensive music software are either too dissimilar to be optimal as training tools or too expensive for students to afford (£250 or $450 for the 'Educational version of CubaseSX).
• If a student cannot afford to buy an expensive piece of software they either can only train on it in college (where they have limited access to resources in my experience) or by using a crack.
• It is common practice for companies that employ people in a sound-tech capacity to require x number of years experience with a specific piece of software.

This is the crux of the matter for me.
Becuase I hold these views I think personal attacks on students learning to use software with pirated versions are most unfair.

I don't condone piracy for any other purpose. I only do so in the case above because I believe it is foolish of the software companies to not provide *free* licences for students of their software.

 

[NYMorningstar]

It's not my business to wave my various qualifications at you - they're not really relevant to the argument other than the fact I had to fight to book time with equipment when studying and know what it's like to feel you have insufficient experience with a crucial piece of software when applying for a job for which it is a requirement.

BTW - I loved the 'criminal mind' stuff, please keep that up - I'll save this post for a good laugh later

I'm so glad you know what it "feels" like to need something you don't have. I just don't get why you think that's a justification to steal.

I do have to agree with the Bear though you are inconsistent, twisted and no longer worth the time.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Points that back up this set of views, and that I have yet to be proved wrong about:
blah...blah...blah....

Each one of those points has already been refuted. There are people who know better, and they've already established that you are incorrect.

You can choose to ignore or disbelieve what they say, but now that you've been told you're incorrect in your assumptions, it's up to you to research it and learn for yourself.

If you insist on telling me an ART Tube MP pre sounds better on acoustic gtr than an API, and I already have experience with both and know for certain you're wrong, then it's not up to me to prove it to you, you can make the effort to learn something for yourself.......

Just because you think, doesn't make you right.........

 

[Bass Master "K"]

I can't even begin to copy and paste all the bs that you are spewing here Codmate, so I'll just do this freestyle...

First you say that the academic software is NOT the same. Now you say it's the same but it's still too expensive, unless I provide proof. Allright, the proof is that I work part time at an educational institution. I paid $220 for VST32 when it was their top of the line Cubase product. That's right....the 25%-30% figure I gave up front. Not $450, not $400...you just make this sh*t up and it's so funny because you seem to want to attack everyone else about accuracy and proving stuff.

You get all pissy with Bear talking about how your not just talking about educational students....now your just talking about educational students...hmm....

You are also wrong that Cubase can not be resold legally. The moderators on the CUBASE FORUMS, have repeatedly answered that question. The Cubase's ownership can be transferred one time, and if the original owner contacts Steinberg to let them know, the new owner can register the product and be able to get support and upgrades as if he were the original owner. Yet again, you seem so picky about facts but are so quick to spout off lies and suppositions.

Your assume joke....ya, I saw that Benny hill episode too...nice and childlike.

You miss the point with my friend...he really couldn't afford that program any more than a kid in college could, actually less, he has a family to feed and provide for. But yet, he WORKED for it. Something you are apparently against thinking that a kid in school could do. I have no idea what your droning on about working for free and getting discounts on recording time from nice people has to do with anything. My buddy wanted it, and he worked out a way to make extra money to get it. It just happened to be by doing some small recording projects, it could have easily have been by working an extra job for a few weeks.

Here's the best part of your now new arguement, carrying the jockstrap of college students everywhere:

Student can afford to go to college
Student can afford books for college
Student can afford food while at college
Student has alcohol and weed budget
Student has car and gas money
Student can go to movies
Student can go to concerts
Student can take his woman out so he can get some
now this is the best part....don't miss this....
Student has enough money for a computer that can run Cubase
Student can afford a soundcard with which to make fair quality recordings
Student can afford the speakers to listen to the music with
Student can afford CD burner with which to burn mixdowns
Student can afford stereo with which to listen to his projects on
Student can afford the instruments to record with
.........
but yes, sadly student can't afford the $200 for the program he wants to record with. Student can't possibly work a little for it. Of course student can't save for it. There really is no other option but to steal it.

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!! Nice argument there Codmate

and btw...laws are not arbitrary, we do not get to pick and choose which ones we think are morally right or wrong and abide only by the ones we think should apply to us. If we did the result would be anarchy because everyone would do as they see fit. If you have a problem with stealing software being classified as a crime...then take your wordy self and work to change the law.

You are a well spoken person, but if you are going to try to back up a position you need to do it without making up facts, telling outright lies, and then try to backpedal your way back into an argument when you get called on it.

 

[vestast]

Nicely put Bass Master K and Blue Bear !

 

[ahuimanu]

Points that back up this set of views, and that I have yet to be proved wrong about:

• The fact that some students use cracked versions of music software does not financially hurt the companies that make them. In some cases it can be shown that it is of long-term benefit to them. Students that learn to use a particular piece of software perpetuate the use of that software, eventually generating revenue for the company concerned.

• 
  
  It is the software company's job to get a clue if this tactic means anything to them, not the consumer's job to twist their arms into it. Well, let me revisit that: it IS the consumer's job to armtwist - LEGALLY! Look, if they don't want to support students - move on to other software. I'm gonna chime in on Blue Bear's "entitlement" accusation on this one.
  

  [*] 'Educational' versions of expensive music software are either too dissimilar to be optimal as training tools or too expensive for students to afford (£250 or $450 for the 'Educational version of CubaseSX).

  The market decides this - if you feel this way you DON'T BUY, but also DON'T subvert lawful controls to ensure that people pay to use the software. Entitlement again.
  

  [*] If a student cannot afford to buy an expensive piece of software they either can only train on it in college (where they have limited access to resources in my experience) or by using a crack.

  Sounds like your school was sub-standard and you have issues with your administration (and perhaps need a refund), it is not for you to TAKE IT FOR FREE BECAUSE LEGAL MEANS WERE INCONVENIENT. More Entitlement here.
  

  [*] It is common practice for companies that employ people in a sound-tech capacity to require x number of years experience with a specific piece of software.

  This kind of racket exists in most tech-related fields - IT is FULL of such requisites and people pay BIG MONEY to get their required skill and experience. I wanted to be an airline pilot and the training was fiercely expensive; I certainly didn't go and "appropriate" a training aircraft because I felt that I should be a pilot. Fact is, I tried for awhile and bowed out due to expense. I was unable to pull it together financially, but I certainly didn't break laws to get what I wanted - I accepted reality. You can't subvert legal controls just because you feel you deserve good training. Well, shit, you CAN do whatever the hell you want (in your estimation), but when you come here and eloquently establish that you (or some theoretical student that would occupy the shoes that you once have) deserve(s) the crack because you are unable to afford your tuition, most here seem to be saying: "bullshit."
  
  Hey, cut your corners and do your thing, it is your moral code and integrity you'll live with (it seems you are quite comfy with it all anyway), but you are still advocating something that violates law. In free-er countries like the U.K. and the U.S. your recourse for getting a law changed that you think is shit is to engage in the political process to see it changed (free Cubase for all interested students), but until that time, the situation is plain - YOU ARE CALLING FOR ABROGATION OF THE LAW THROUGH DEFIANCE OF THE LAW.
  
  

 

[musicsdarkangel]

Wow, looks like someone is going to need a new screen name for the home recording message board.


Honestly though, leave the guy alone. You can't change the fact that he is going to crack it either way. I don't support it, but I will not start fights over it.

Plus, it'll be kind of fun seeing someone who doesn't know what MIDI is try to get a cracked version of Cubase to work.

Sit back, relax, have some popcorn, and enjoy the show.

 

[Cyrokk]

I can assure you that the educational versions are not the same in all cases. Some are limited (such as CubaseSE). The versions that *are* the same are still very expensive relative the the amount of money in a student's pocket.

I am an accountant. I can do rings around people in programming an Excel spreadsheet. In college, there were no computers and no one taught how to work a spreadsheet. So when I graduated, I bought the cheapest software I could find: Quatro-Pro. What an ugly program. Solid blue with yellow text. The cell formulas were weird, but I learned it just the same. Being able to translate my Quatro-Pro skills to Lotus and Excel was the easiest part of learning my job in the real world. Why? Because the absolute basics of spreadsheet programming apply across the board.

Every single demo I have played with in recording software has the exact same principles: Wave editing, meter reading, vst application, envelope drawing. I started on a bottom feeder version of Samplitude which made the learning curves of CEP, N-Track, and Samplitude 6.0 virtually nothing.

My point is that if a student version of software doesn't have the basic features inherent in all recording software, then the school wasted money buying the program in the first place, and they would be much better off downloading free recording software to train students. The point that student versions are still not complete industry versions is a pathetically weak excuse, much like all of the others, to steal software.

 

[Bass Master "K"]

I am an accountant. I can do rings around people in programming an Excel spreadsheet. In college, there were no computers and no one taught how to work a spreadsheet. So when I graduated, I bought the cheapest software I could find: Quatro-Pro. What an ugly program. Solid blue with yellow text. The cell formulas were weird, but I learned it just the same. Being able to translate my Quatro-Pro skills to Lotus and Excel was the easiest part of learning my job in the real world. Why? Because the absolute basics of spreadsheet programming apply across the board.

Every single demo I have played with in recording software has the exact same principles: Wave editing, meter reading, vst application, envelope drawing. I started on a bottom feeder version of Samplitude which made the learning curves of CEP, N-Track, and Samplitude 6.0 virtually nothing.

My point is that if a student version of software doesn't have the basic features inherent in all recording software, then the school wasted money buying the program in the first place, and they would be much better off downloading free recording software to train students. The point that student versions are still not complete industry versions is a pathetically weak excuse, much like all of the others, to steal software.

Really good points Cyrokk. I wholeheartedly agree with you point about learning on one system and being able to quickly adapt to another one.

I want to reiterate that the academic software IS the exact same as the retail version, that's why there is no merit to the arguement. I don't know where people get the idea that it is different but it seems to be a common misconception. I am around academic software, as well as their regular retail counterparts, and I have yet to see one program where the academic version is different, or "stripped down". I suppose because it's cheaper people assume that it must not have all the features, but companies have reasons for offering up their products to educational institutions and it's employees for cheaper.

 

[toyL]

To Oscar:

This is a prime example of people who like to think of themselves as good enough to judge character simply because they agree with obeying a redundant law, as if they have never broken a law before in their lives.
If obeying laws made you good enough, there woudn't have been a need for Christ.
Obviously, theyve become so full of themselves, that instead of showing good character and encouraging you, they think mocking you and saying what good law abiding citizens they are will change the fact that you can't afford something you would like, which is the reason for your post in the first place.
Personally, I believe that if you can afford it, then you should buy something (including this program), especially if you will be using it to make money in the future. But I can't blame you for wanting to learn the program and am however sympathetic to your situation. I can't consider copyright infringment in this case stealing (according to the definiton of stealing...sharing and stealing are 2 different things regardless of what the EULA's say), but if at all possible, you should do the best you can to buy a legitimate copy if you will be using it to make money someday.

...seems reasonable enough to me ...the only thing I find more disturbing than the way some of you have talked down to oscar is when I hear about large corporations or millionares complain about $...the "value" of anything settles into the pockets of those who value it the most, REGARDLESS!...so oscar isn't willing or able to pay out, who really gives a fuck?...none of us have ever paid a nickel more for software than it was/is worth...it's not like the guy's intent is to steal in order to make $...if that was the case he'd be caught soon enough...simple fact is that stolen software isn't even profitable

 

[toyL]

There is no such thing as someone who can't afford the program. There are only those who aren't willing to WORK hard and save so that they can afford the program. It's that simple.

...you want "simple"?--how about this:
...at age 10 I started I "working" for my older brother...we'd get up at 4:30am
and deliver newspapers until about 6:30-7:00am...of course, on sunday mornings it'd take us longer cuz we had more customers...then, maybe 4 or 5 times each week we'd run around the neighborhood trying to "collect" the $ we were owed so we could pay the "weekly bill" owed to the folks who printed the papers...once that bill was paid we were in the black and had $ to buy donuts ...by the time I was 16 I had enough change in the bank to pay $600 cash for a used 65' Pontiac Lemans--purchased from my favorite customer on our delivery route...he wasn't my favorite customer because he tipped well at x-mas, either...he was my favorite customer because he thourghly enjoyed himself whenever I came by--whether it was to collect $ or just to visit--which a few of us "kids" did frequently...he had a small shop attached to his house wherein he produced the most extraordinary leather-goods...I remember sitting with him for hours at a time, watching and learning--something he never asked a dime for...I not only learned how to skin and tan hides, but also how to cut, punch, soften, stitch, and colour skins...I learned that I didn't "always" need to spend my hard earned cash at J.C. Penny's or Sears Roebuck in order to "have" certain niceties...in fact, I learned that simple "road-kill" could be fashioned into a thing of "value"...but, not "just" road-kill (people throw leather in the trash all the time)...point is--there is very little difference between hunting-down or gathering-up raw material (to make something useful) and hunting-down or gathering-up a nicely strung number of 0s and 1s found on the internet (to make something useful)...more specifically, I can borrow and use my neighbor's John-Deer all day without worrying about John-Deer taking me to court...I can also borrow my son's Pearl Jam FruitOfTheLoom t-shirt without any worries from eddy vetter or FruitOfTheLoom or the cotton-farmers who started the whole endeavor of producing the cotton to begin with...furthermore, I can carefully examine the finest weave, china, glass, etc. and produce thousands of whatever, based on my careful examinations, place my own "mark" on them and sell them pretty much at will...of course, the "value" of these items will only amount to whatever value the market will place on them--which has nothing to do with whatever "copies" I may GIVE AWAY...simple fact is that no amount of moral/ethical/legal scrutiny will ever prevent one person from giving away whatever he may choose to GIVE AWAY...get it?--it's a GIVE AWAY.

 

[boingoman]

...you want "simple"?--how about this:
...at age 10 I started I "working" for my older brother...we'd get up at 4:30am
and deliver newspapers until about 6:30-7:00am...of course, on sunday mornings it'd take us longer cuz we had more customers...then, maybe 4 or 5 times each week we'd run around the neighborhood trying to "collect" the $ we were owed so we could pay the "weekly bill" owed to the folks who printed the papers...once that bill was paid we were in the black and had $ to buy donuts ...by the time I was 16 I had enough change in the bank to pay $600 cash for a used 65' Pontiac Lemans--purchased from my favorite customer on our delivery route...he wasn't my favorite customer because he tipped well at x-mas, either...he was my favorite customer because he thourghly enjoyed himself whenever I came by--whether it was to collect $ or just to visit--which a few of us "kids" did frequently...he had a small shop attached to his house wherein he produced the most extraordinary leather-goods...I remember sitting with him for hours at a time, watching and learning--something he never asked a dime for...I not only learned how to skin and tan hides, but also how to cut, punch, soften, stitch, and colour skins...I learned that I didn't "always" need to spend my hard earned cash at J.C. Penny's or Sears Roebuck in order to "have" certain niceties...in fact, I learned that simple "road-kill" could be fashioned into a thing of "value"...but, not "just" road-kill (people throw leather in the trash all the time)...point is--there is very little difference between hunting-down or gathering-up raw material (to make something useful) and hunting-down or gathering-up a nicely strung number of 0s and 1s found on the internet (to make something useful)...more specifically, I can borrow and use my neighbor's John-Deer all day without worrying about John-Deer taking me to court...I can also borrow my son's Pearl Jam FruitOfTheLoom t-shirt without any worries from eddy vetter or FruitOfTheLoom or the cotton-farmers who started the whole endeavor of producing the cotton to begin with...furthermore, I can carefully examine the finest weave, china, glass, etc. and produce thousands of whatever, based on my careful examinations, place my own "mark" on them and sell them pretty much at will...of course, the "value" of these items will only amount to whatever value the market will place on them--which has nothing to do with whatever "copies" I may GIVE AWAY...simple fact is that no amount of moral/ethical/legal scrutiny will ever prevent one person from giving away whatever he may choose to GIVE AWAY...get it?--it's a GIVE AWAY.

Your analogies break down pretty quick. First of all, Steinberg didn't choose to give away Cubase. Your buddy taught you to work leather. Fine. Now you can do it yourself. Now, what if your buddy sold leather, and you stole his finished goods instead of paying for them? You aren't making any money on your stolen leather, and you've stated that that's OK. Hmmm. "Simple fact, stolen leather's not even profitable".
You say there is no difference gathering roadkill or scavenging 1s and0s. OK, let this dongle-cracking shit scavenge all the 1s and0s he wants, and learn how to make his own music software, just like you learned to make your own leather.

Guy's a thief. You busted your ass for what you've got, sounds like. Respect others that did, too. The reason the people at Steinberg started their company because they like music, remember, not to become a big company. That happened cause they worked hard and have a good product.

 

[toyL]

Your analogies break down pretty quick. First of all, Steinberg didn't choose to give away Cubase.

...correct, Steinberg "sells" cubase...the most basic premise of "sold" means that "ownership" has been transferred...the new "owner" of any product should be able to "give" it away freely a thousand times over--especially when the item can be replicated so readily...it's just my opinion that anything that can be so precisely replicated (i.e. software) has very little "value"...a painting by monet, for example, cannot be easily replicated...nor can a cadillac...if, however, someone were to come along and build a machine that could replicate a seville in the same manner that we use a xerox machine, then I say--"woe to general motors, apples for everyone!"...when IBM secured the rights to "hardware", they did so knowingly--they gracefully bowed out of the entire issue at hand--they could readily see the impossibility of keeping the books on all those 0's and 1's.

Your buddy taught you to work leather. Fine. Now you can do it yourself. Now, what if your buddy sold leather, and you stole his finished goods instead of paying for them? You aren't making any money on your stolen leather, and you've stated that that's OK. Hmmm. "Simple fact, stolen leather's not even profitable".

...I have never condoned thievery, especially as an "end"--for the sake of "ownership" alone...I do, however, believe an individual has the right to "give away" whatever he will--especially when what he is "giving" away can be so readily replicated, altered, enhanced, disposed of, used up, and "produced" from scratch...a professor of mine once told me that--"life is stolen psuedo-code"...hmmm...makes you wonder where all the software manufacturers will be when software programing is taught in kindergarten.

You say there is no difference gathering roadkill or scavenging 1s and0s. OK, let this dongle-cracking shit scavenge all the 1s and0s he wants, and learn how to make his own music software, just like you learned to make your own leather.

...as I understand it this "dongle-cracking shit" is intent on making music, not music software.

Guy's a thief. You busted your ass for what you've got, sounds like. Respect others that did, too. The reason the people at Steinberg started their company because they like music, remember, not to become a big company. That happened cause they worked hard and have a good product.

...and when the "knowledge" behind their hard work becomes as common as dirt, what then?

 

[NYMorningstar]

...you want "simple"?--how about this:
...at age 10 I started I "working" for my older brother...we'd get up at 4:30am
and deliver newspapers until about 6:30-7:00am...of course, on sunday mornings it'd take us longer cuz we had more customers...then, maybe 4 or 5 times each week we'd run around the neighborhood trying to "collect" the $ we were owed so we could pay the "weekly bill" owed to the folks who printed the papers....

Congrats on working hard for what you desired but consider the following in your support for theft, err copyright infringement, err moral breakdown...

Let's say that somebody had a little printing press on your route and decided to take that paper you were distributing, make copies and have them available to all your other customers on your route.

Well the first thing you would notice is a decline in your paying customers. Your customers without much moral fiber will go the free route and figure why should I pay when I can get it for free. After all, they are only using it to educate themselves.

Next you would notice that "weekly bill" you are trying to collect keeps getting higher because now your paying customers have to absorb a larger portion of the overhead costs of production. As that bill gets higher you will notice that even more customers quit paying because they no longer can afford it.

Finally you'll see that company you work for pay you less, lay you off and eventually close its doors. You may have never purchased tha Pontiac, met your neighbor and learned how to work with leather and you wouldn't be where you are today. Without the laws in place eventually everything would amount to chaos, crime, poverty and famine.

Like the Bassmaster said "...laws are not arbitrary, we do not get to pick and choose which ones we think are morally right or wrong and abide only by the ones we think should apply to us. If we did the result would be anarchy because everyone would do as they see fit. If you have a problem with stealing software being classified as a crime...then take your wordy self and work to change the law."

I am so glad there are not more peeps around that arbitrarily just ignore the laws they don't agree with. You will find that many people who hold a blind eye to the laws eventually will see the light when they get older and wiser.