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modgeulator
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It is a proven fact that rap music influences people to pirate software and molest children.
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Kevin Deschwazi
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This is a non argument.usdn rep said:
As I said earlier (and as I think a few others have said) there are many cheaper and even free alternatives to Cubase. Steinberg themselves make a cheaper ($99) recording package which is excellent (I know this because it's what I use).
Isn't it the case that with any product/service/consumable we have to make do with what we can afford? There aren't many people around who can afford the best of everything.
It's pure folly to suggest that if you can't afford Cubase then the company responsible for making that product are responsible for denying anyone their 'love' for music. If they had a monopoly on recording software and the law allowed them to prevent other companies from providing cheaper or free alternatives then your argument would in part make a bit more sense. As has been pointed out to you on more than one occasion this is not the case.
And how do you go from the need to feed oneself to the need to own the latest and most up to date recording software?
As I said before this is an insult to those genuinely living on the breadline.usdn rep said:
So if you don't agree with capitalism then what are you doing about it?
RhythmRmixd
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modgeulator said:
Do you think it could possibly cause you to pirate children and molest software? Haven't you ever gotten a little too friendly with your dongle? Rap music can be a good, but confusing thing.
fraserhutch
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Apparently not, I pity any fool who would have YOU as a morals role model.usdn rep said:
fraserhutch
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usdn rep said:
Man, you are truly ignorant. Where do you think the money comes for paying our salaries? Some faceless corporation? You see, that's the real problem with you arguments - they assume that it is a victimless crime only because you lack the intellectual capacity to see byond the end of your nose.
Those who run software companies get to do so because they have, in large part, earned that right. They paid their dues, put the money up, and they take the risks. They are not doing it to give thieves free rides. They have a lot rideing on their enterprises.
When software gets pirated, these companies fight back the best way they can. And that invariably involves more expense which get passed down to the rest of us legit users.
When the costs become higher than the revenues can support, they cut jobs and lay us off. And they lose their money.
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fraserhutch said:
Who cares what you think, I have my morals and honestly I can careless if you question them.............
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modgeulator said:
wow............ That was a very corny response.... You really believe that???? So if you listen to rap, you all of a sudden wanna molest kids???????
fraserhutch
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usdn rep said:
Once again., the sarcasm-impaired posts......
fraserhutch
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Ah, yes, but you stated that you believe you could school some of us older folk on morals, so you are putting it out there.usdn rep said:
What a crock of crap.
Blue Bear Sound
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Yup.... that pretty much sums up the bulk of his posts!fraserhutch said:
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Mo-Kay
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LOL
*doesn't take the bate*
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smashngrab
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im callin the cops
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Shenanigans
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Cant help but throw my ten cents..
Of course Ill stand here and tell y'all that I dont advocate theft in any way, but the reality of theft isnt an issue of morality, its an issue of needs. Yes you got plenty of brainiac rich kids that rip off 7 -11for a six pack for their juveneille kicks, and yes thats plain wrong.. but damn, yall ever seen someone hungry? See i live in a cheap ass college community, and the area is nothing but party kids, dumb drugs, and cheap rent, paradise for your average 21 year old, but who would move thier family in? Talk to the lady that lives four cribs down. She jamaiocan, works two jobs, and has four kids. She has a deadbeat boyfriend, he comes by when his liquor and beer get low, and three adorable lil girls (the princess trio i call em. ) and a one 16 year old, whos right on track for jail.. the hard life had him, and it itkilledme in all honesty to see him. thyve lived here abouit 2 years, and I used to play ball with him and his boys when the summer months were upon us, and one day, i had em over, playin X-box. they messed my crib up!, they had never seen so many toys, well one of his boys has, and to be honest, Im scarec to have him over again. Anyways, the 16 year old, call him Del, he saw my tables in my room, and asked about all the synths he saw, i showed my rig, and he was just in love.. man, he didnt know software could do the stuff that I showed him. Of course our taste in music is much different, but nonethless, he realized that to get the music thing in his mind, it wasnt gonna be all about bling bling, it would be about time sittin in front of the computer, studying, makinhis formulas stick, and being dedicated. One day one of my college boys got a new lappie, and decided to get rid of his old P-III 1 ghz. It was loaed, well loaded enough, with memory, 512m, and a smallish hard drive. Well by todays standards thats not enough to geton the internet with, let alone rock serious beats, so I acquired it from my freind, and threw it to the kid, thinkin it would be enough to get some homework done or something. Turns out he wants a simpe DAW, like mine. i didnt realize it, but the kid had been hit with the bug, and it wanst gonna let him go anytime soon.
Look fellas im not tryin to advocate shit, but damn, when you see how the kid was wantin for the ability to make beats, and knowing that he would be so far and away from it, I couldnt help it. I felt the easiest way was to get him some software, but I was not able to put any real money in it, so I got him an Audigy off of eBy, and threw him a opy of Reason, yes stolen off the net. I didnt have Reason that the time, so i wsnt too familiar with it, but you shouldve seen this kid.. within two months he had fully worked Dancehall tracks, and he was monitoring off of blown cone Sonys, the kid had the bass solid! I mean, wow. I hated it, cause Im really not oen to steal, and Im ultra paranoid of the RIAA, digital theft is at an all time danger now. But when i see that kid staying home on fridays nights, badly distorted bass coming out of the unair conditioned window, Im thinking, Its good. thats all i can say. maybe my actions were wrong, hasty, and unfair to the corporate economy, but I dont have to look into their eyes, i only look into his. I wish i could really afford to put more money into his game, but I really cant afford it, and I feel content enough that i did my part. I mean i would just have him over, but my place can be wild sometimes, and its just not right ot have a 16 year old hanging at my place. I aint tryin to have rumours fly. So I cnat say I feel too bad about my part in theft. Please dont hate me, but I really didnt know where to turn. By the way, I dont use any cracked software, besides the copy of 2000 i put on his system, and Reason. My point is that i wish people wouldnt make all sitautions be as black and white as we wish they could be. And next time you hear of some ill situation, think it out before you go to hurtin somebody. Not everyone comes from the same mindset and life.
PS, if you guys know of anything I can get to help him out further, free standalone music app, please tell me. Peace
Of course Ill stand here and tell y'all that I dont advocate theft in any way, but the reality of theft isnt an issue of morality, its an issue of needs. Yes you got plenty of brainiac rich kids that rip off 7 -11for a six pack for their juveneille kicks, and yes thats plain wrong.. but damn, yall ever seen someone hungry? See i live in a cheap ass college community, and the area is nothing but party kids, dumb drugs, and cheap rent, paradise for your average 21 year old, but who would move thier family in? Talk to the lady that lives four cribs down. She jamaiocan, works two jobs, and has four kids. She has a deadbeat boyfriend, he comes by when his liquor and beer get low, and three adorable lil girls (the princess trio i call em. ) and a one 16 year old, whos right on track for jail.. the hard life had him, and it itkilledme in all honesty to see him. thyve lived here abouit 2 years, and I used to play ball with him and his boys when the summer months were upon us, and one day, i had em over, playin X-box. they messed my crib up!, they had never seen so many toys, well one of his boys has, and to be honest, Im scarec to have him over again. Anyways, the 16 year old, call him Del, he saw my tables in my room, and asked about all the synths he saw, i showed my rig, and he was just in love.. man, he didnt know software could do the stuff that I showed him. Of course our taste in music is much different, but nonethless, he realized that to get the music thing in his mind, it wasnt gonna be all about bling bling, it would be about time sittin in front of the computer, studying, makinhis formulas stick, and being dedicated. One day one of my college boys got a new lappie, and decided to get rid of his old P-III 1 ghz. It was loaed, well loaded enough, with memory, 512m, and a smallish hard drive. Well by todays standards thats not enough to geton the internet with, let alone rock serious beats, so I acquired it from my freind, and threw it to the kid, thinkin it would be enough to get some homework done or something. Turns out he wants a simpe DAW, like mine. i didnt realize it, but the kid had been hit with the bug, and it wanst gonna let him go anytime soon.
Look fellas im not tryin to advocate shit, but damn, when you see how the kid was wantin for the ability to make beats, and knowing that he would be so far and away from it, I couldnt help it. I felt the easiest way was to get him some software, but I was not able to put any real money in it, so I got him an Audigy off of eBy, and threw him a opy of Reason, yes stolen off the net. I didnt have Reason that the time, so i wsnt too familiar with it, but you shouldve seen this kid.. within two months he had fully worked Dancehall tracks, and he was monitoring off of blown cone Sonys, the kid had the bass solid! I mean, wow. I hated it, cause Im really not oen to steal, and Im ultra paranoid of the RIAA, digital theft is at an all time danger now. But when i see that kid staying home on fridays nights, badly distorted bass coming out of the unair conditioned window, Im thinking, Its good. thats all i can say. maybe my actions were wrong, hasty, and unfair to the corporate economy, but I dont have to look into their eyes, i only look into his. I wish i could really afford to put more money into his game, but I really cant afford it, and I feel content enough that i did my part. I mean i would just have him over, but my place can be wild sometimes, and its just not right ot have a 16 year old hanging at my place. I aint tryin to have rumours fly. So I cnat say I feel too bad about my part in theft. Please dont hate me, but I really didnt know where to turn. By the way, I dont use any cracked software, besides the copy of 2000 i put on his system, and Reason. My point is that i wish people wouldnt make all sitautions be as black and white as we wish they could be. And next time you hear of some ill situation, think it out before you go to hurtin somebody. Not everyone comes from the same mindset and life.
PS, if you guys know of anything I can get to help him out further, free standalone music app, please tell me. Peace
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Hubbawho
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well I have to say, I think that put things into perspective
you said, "theft isnt an issue of morality, its an issue of needs."
That's true in some cases, and in those cases, I'd probably be okay with letting it happen. But the sadder truth about THIS situation is that most of the time it is not the case. Pirating software is almost always wrong. The only time I think it's okay is when someone purchases software and then tries to reinstall it to another computer that they use. but that's not stealing. I'm sorry but if you or your family has enough money to purchase a computer and pay for the internet (which is where you get pirated software), then most of the time you'd have enough money to atleast buy cheap software. And if it's only for your own educational or entertainment purposes, then cheap software is all you would need and all you should expect to get. The only time you actually NEED high quality software is when others are relying on you. This is only the case when you record your friends, or if you run a business and have a small studio of sorts. The fact is, in both these cases, you shouldn't be pirating the software. If you're running a business, you must be legitimate and if you don't have the necessary equipment or software then you shouldn't even try to record your friends or other bands. So in the end, most of the time what you get is teens from middle income or wealthy families just bored and on the internet, looking to be entertained or satisfy their "desires" to make music. Meaning, stolen software is NOT stolen out of NEED. It's usually stolen out of selfishness. Why? Because you don't NEED software, it's not food or shelter. And you certainly don't need the top of the line softwares if you have limited money. Just legally get cheaper ones rather than stealing expensive ones. Yes I agree that things aren't as black and white as some people say they are, but when it comes to pirating software, it's hard to see a case when it's the right thing to do.
you said, "theft isnt an issue of morality, its an issue of needs."
That's true in some cases, and in those cases, I'd probably be okay with letting it happen. But the sadder truth about THIS situation is that most of the time it is not the case. Pirating software is almost always wrong. The only time I think it's okay is when someone purchases software and then tries to reinstall it to another computer that they use. but that's not stealing. I'm sorry but if you or your family has enough money to purchase a computer and pay for the internet (which is where you get pirated software), then most of the time you'd have enough money to atleast buy cheap software. And if it's only for your own educational or entertainment purposes, then cheap software is all you would need and all you should expect to get. The only time you actually NEED high quality software is when others are relying on you. This is only the case when you record your friends, or if you run a business and have a small studio of sorts. The fact is, in both these cases, you shouldn't be pirating the software. If you're running a business, you must be legitimate and if you don't have the necessary equipment or software then you shouldn't even try to record your friends or other bands. So in the end, most of the time what you get is teens from middle income or wealthy families just bored and on the internet, looking to be entertained or satisfy their "desires" to make music. Meaning, stolen software is NOT stolen out of NEED. It's usually stolen out of selfishness. Why? Because you don't NEED software, it's not food or shelter. And you certainly don't need the top of the line softwares if you have limited money. Just legally get cheaper ones rather than stealing expensive ones. Yes I agree that things aren't as black and white as some people say they are, but when it comes to pirating software, it's hard to see a case when it's the right thing to do.
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Bonz
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Hector ~
I understand your point but more so I understand the sentiments of those that replied to your Post. So in order to get you to possibly see it in another way, I would ask this of you,
If you hopefully become successful at producing music and in turn go on to become famous with music compostitons of your own, how would you feel if one day you happen to be browsing through a forum such as this and some guy Post that he just downloaded all of your songs for free and is distributing them around to his friends or selling copies at the Flea Market?
That is your money not going into your pocket from all the years of hard work to produce a product from your training that someone else is benefitting on.
I'm quite certain that would annoy you just a little ... i.e. Napster
As a musician, I kinda understood Metallica's point and agreed with them.
I'm working with Cubase Sx because that was all I could afford right now but I'd really like Pro-Tools. Someday, when I get the funds together, that will be my next step. One last point, don't begrudge Steinberg for something that they do that is awesome, sounds like you're a tad bit jealous that you can not produce such product.
I understand your point but more so I understand the sentiments of those that replied to your Post. So in order to get you to possibly see it in another way, I would ask this of you,
If you hopefully become successful at producing music and in turn go on to become famous with music compostitons of your own, how would you feel if one day you happen to be browsing through a forum such as this and some guy Post that he just downloaded all of your songs for free and is distributing them around to his friends or selling copies at the Flea Market?
That is your money not going into your pocket from all the years of hard work to produce a product from your training that someone else is benefitting on.
I'm quite certain that would annoy you just a little ... i.e. Napster
As a musician, I kinda understood Metallica's point and agreed with them.
I'm working with Cubase Sx because that was all I could afford right now but I'd really like Pro-Tools. Someday, when I get the funds together, that will be my next step. One last point, don't begrudge Steinberg for something that they do that is awesome, sounds like you're a tad bit jealous that you can not produce such product.
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Smurf
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WOW this thread has been going on for a long time...........Grab a copy of the Kristal Audio Engine and Audacity, use the kx project drivers if you have a SB, ASIO4ALL if you have anything else. These are all freeeee! And work fine! And I don't care about a thief's morals anyway........I will not be the Judge in the end........
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bball_1523
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If I have anything to say, Shenanigans said it perfectly:
"Not everyone comes from the same mindset and life."
- I just think people have different morals, and different beliefs on pirating and such. I am against the RIAA and it's filthy lawsuits against piracy, and if I were an artist, I wouldn't care if anyone shared my songs. There's my belief, and yours may be that you support the RIAA or support anti-piracy measures. At least you have a set of beliefs, and that is all you really need right for this ordeal? We can't change each others' mindsets, we can try to share what we think, but there's no way we can force it upon each other.
I do support buying software. I am in the budget of buying Pro Tools M-powered because I bought an M-audio product, and I see it for $200 at that academic website. I wish the price was lower, especially since I am a student, but I'm just gonna have to raise enought money for it. I want pro tools because it's industry standard and I want to be master of it.
"Not everyone comes from the same mindset and life."
- I just think people have different morals, and different beliefs on pirating and such. I am against the RIAA and it's filthy lawsuits against piracy, and if I were an artist, I wouldn't care if anyone shared my songs. There's my belief, and yours may be that you support the RIAA or support anti-piracy measures. At least you have a set of beliefs, and that is all you really need right for this ordeal? We can't change each others' mindsets, we can try to share what we think, but there's no way we can force it upon each other.
I do support buying software. I am in the budget of buying Pro Tools M-powered because I bought an M-audio product, and I see it for $200 at that academic website. I wish the price was lower, especially since I am a student, but I'm just gonna have to raise enought money for it. I want pro tools because it's industry standard and I want to be master of it.
Markaholic
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can we close this thread and make it dis-appear?
the F'n threads well over a year old..let it rest dammit!
the F'n threads well over a year old..let it rest dammit!
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bball_1523
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Markaholic said:
well we gotta have the word dongle appear on the forum, so people can find it attractive and click on it.
fraserhutch
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hehehehe, you said "dongle" 
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