does preamps matter?

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does mic preamps matter when it comes to how eq you're voice will sound when you record? i have a 99$ mixer (yamaha mg10/2) to be exact, and i don't know if the preamp on that is high quality to get my vocals sounding the way i want them to sound without having to eq alot. will the way the eq from the preamp (without messin with any eq) from the getgo as soon as i record my vocals sound different on the yamaha mg10/2 mixer preamp i got compared to say a 2,000 digidesing protools box preamp?
 
Be nice guys, I don't think English is the first language for everyone, even if they are from a heartwarmingly named place such as Lynchburg VA. :p
 
The preamps are important, but the mic will make more difference. If you find the right mic for your voice, you will be closer to what you want.
 
i have a ksm27 $300. does anyone have any Recommendations of a preamp to get? or is the 99$ mixer preamp good enough lol
 
Until you get into the $700 per channel range, it won't be that much better.
 
I don't know, I think when you get into the $400 per channel range you are going to be able to hear the difference. It depends on the mixer and on the preamp, but a $400 external preamp is probably going to sound better than the preamps on a $400 mixer.
 
I am very skeptical that one can hear major differences in preamps.
Also, there is what I call the "I paid a big price for my $10k preamp so it must be good" factor that comes in so you "hear" differences to justify your purchase.

Having that said, the mic and technique you use has a much greater effect on the tone you get. I would rather have a Royer mic into a behringer board than a SM-57 in a $10k preamp.

Making a good preamp is easy...a few Burr-Brown opamps, lots of negative feedback, good precision resistors, careful coupling and there you go. It's much easier to make a small signal amp (preamp) than a large signal amp (power amp). For this reason, even a Behringer preamp is useable and you can even change the opamps used in a Behringer to get better tone than much more costly preamps.
 
I'd go the exact opposite - I've heard plenty of 57's and 58's through great preamps - Amek, API, Crane Song, Manley, etc., and they sound wonderful.

I've also plugged a U87 into a Behringer for fun... It wasn't any fun. It sounded terrible. Popped it into the Amek and everything was dandy.

That all being said - $500 for FMR's RNP definitely crosses the threshold of "good sounding" preamps. At $250 a channel, I think that's the one to beat.

And true - As Dewd mentioned - Some stock "budget" preamps can be made to shine also using the op-amp-swap dance. Soundcraft's Ghost is a prime example of a "decent" sounding preamp that can be turned into a monster for (if I recall) around $75 per channel.

Either way - The difference in sound is pretty stunning - It isn't exactly subtle. But over a project with 25 or 30 tracks going on, even "25 x subtle" makes a very drammatic difference.
 
And - especially when you get into the better mics and preamps - the pairing of mic and preamp can be just as important if you are really trying to tweak the tracking. Preamp X may have a certain effect on the sound of Mic Y, but the effect it has on Mic Z is entirely different. Maybe it's rather sublime to talk about it on the econo-mixer level, but it's no less true; mics and preamps really need to be considered a coupled system just as much as monitors and room do on the other end. One can't really properly consider one without the other.

Again, maybe on smaller systems where there is only one kind of preamp available to the user (as in the many fine folks who have only mixer channel strips), that's only an academic discussion best left for the theorisis. But when one starts talking about buying mo betta preamps, they should take their mic locker (among other things) into consideration when they are doing their research.

Bringing that back home, I have to respectfully disagree a bit with a couple of the other responses; I believe you could easily hear a difference and improvement between your Yammie preamps and a dedicated pre that costs as little as $90/channel, and for $200/channel you'll be certain to be stepping up. They'll still be prosumer-grade pres with plenty of room for improvement compared to the real pro stuff, but even those prosumer grade pres will be a huge step up from what you are getting in a $25/channel mixer channel strip.

G.
 
f i buy an expensive mic preamp, how would i connect it? do i connect it to my cheap mixer and it wouldnt effect the sound?
 
You would connect it directly to your interface. You could connect it to the line input of your mixer, if you have to, but it is always better to have as little as possible in the signal path.
 
i have a sound card. do you mean connect the preamp directly to that?
 
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