Does Neumann Sell Any Mics These Days?

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mshilarious said:
Here we are now in my specialty.

Really all of these things could be true. Sennheiser is privately held, so they don't have to release results. Even if they did, they probably wouldn't have to disclose segment results by brand.

Despite the nearly two year old financial results that musical5 link, they seem to have an inside source of information. Naturally, they probably don't have specific information, or cannot disclose it without jeopardizing their source.

So let's review each claim:



Any professionally managed company knows exactly what the profitability of each subsidiary is. Indeed, they should know profitability down to the product and region level. This is what I do for a living.

The above statement is highly likely to be true. It is also highly likely that such information is highly confidential.




That is not the same as a decrease or static revenues. Indeed, given the number of new entrants, it's a good sign to not lose market share. I find this statement to be plausible.



Tough to evaluate, but clearly Senn's other products are a much more significant portion of revenue than Neumann, so this is likely to be the case in any event.

Valid points. I'm just calling the guy out for unsupported factual assertions. His original post was unsupported rumour, bullshit in my book. Could be true, sure. I don't know, and neither does anyone else (except, of course, Neumann and Sennheiser).
 
sdelsolray said:
Could be true, sure. I don't know, and neither does anyone else (except, of course, Neumann and Sennheiser).

And the people employed by them. I do trust my friend. What reason would he have to lie to me? He is employed by the company and I'm just a privately owned U.S. studio.
 
musical5 said:
And the people employed by them. I do trust my friend. What reason would he have to lie to me? He is employed by the company and I'm just a privately owned U.S. studio.

You originally said your friend said the same thing as the article. The article didn't say bupkus. Now you're weaseling and saying your friend told you all these things. Join the Republicans, you'd fit right in.
 
Well, I think it's safe to say... the answer to Vikki's question "Does Neumann Sell Any Mics These Days?... is yes, seeing how I bought some not too long ago myself.
 
mshilarious said:
No, an exhortation for you to stop threatening people with invasion of privacy and harassment. Do you have trouble understanding the plain meaning of the English language?

I understand the English language, despite your claim. It is clear however, you are saying I incite and encourage the threatening of people while invading their privacy, and at the same time harass them? Are you sure about this? You have solid proof of this to back this up?

That is a pretty strong accusation you just made.
 
DJL said:
mshilarious... you'll find the proof Alan is asking you for in this http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=130047 thread.

The only proof on that thread is you ranting like a little boy. There are no threats directed to anyone. You still throw things up that have no factual evidence at all. Again you show your ignorance at the desire to go out of the way to try and find things to justify your actions.

You are pathetic
 
alanhyatt said:
That is a pretty strong accusation you just made.

If you believe you have been actionably libelled by DJL, then file suit, obtain a subpoena to force HR to disclose his IP, obtain a subpoena to force his ISP to disclose his name & address, and serve process on him.

Otherwise stop threatening people with harassment, and respect their freedom of speech.
 
mshilarious said:
If you believe you have been actionably libelled by DJL, then file suit, obtain a subpoena to force HR to disclose his IP, obtain a subpoena to force his ISP to disclose his name & address, and serve process on him.

Otherwise stop threatening people with harassment, and respect their freedom of speech.

Are you threating me?
 
alanhyatt said:
Are you threating me?

I'm sorry this is simply pathetic. I can't imagine a professionally run company posting this sort of drivel.
 
mshilarious said:
I'm sorry this is simply pathetic. I can't imagine a professionally run company posting this sort of drivel.

Well then, we are even. You seem to happy do it as well....
 
mshilarious said:
I'm sorry this is simply pathetic. I can't imagine a professionally run company posting this sort of drivel.
It may be that Alan is posting as an individual, not as a company (that would be spam, right?), where he has the same rights to make an ass of himself as the rest of us.

I agree that this has really gotten pathetic. The same drivel over and over again. It's not even entertaining any more, as it was at the beginning several years ago.

This is why many fora have active moderation, so that before things get bogged down in futility, appropriate measures are taken so things can move on. Although most of the blame for this resides on our shoulders as members, a part is also due to the unmoderated/anything goes nature of this forum. That is fine when you have a group of people who can rationally argue the points, but when it gets down to a large part of the bandwidth being wasted on two schoolkids calling each other names, someone needs to step in.

I have emailed Dragon (not that he's around either) asking if he can step in here to sort things out a little.
 
I'm sure Neumann feels the heat of a changing market to some extent, but they don't worry too much (not only because they are a fat-ass company and because they might be arrogant). After all, their main market is broadcast (radio, tv), pro recording facilities, etc. Also, I'm sure that Neumann has a product range we are all not even aware of, like industry applications (in the vein that Gefell, for example, still produces lasers for the industry, and measurement mics, etc).

They never seriously tried to enter the "home recording market", and they better don't coz they couldn't possibly compete with knock-off Chinese mics (price wise). Given their overhead, they will never be able to compete, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

But then again, their prime target market is likely not gonna switch to those "cheap Chinese-made mics" either. Could you imagine a 797 logo on German tv during their 8PM prime news? I don't think so. In fact, the German broadcast industry supports companies like Neumann by awarding them research contracts for the development of new ideas & technologies. And that's exactly where the real values is: in decades of experience and pushing the technology.

On a personal side, I always tried to "support" companies who invested a large amount of resources & capital in the development of "new things". You have to give them credit for that. Without the early-day German companies like Telefunken & Neumann, where would the recording industry be?? And hey, they never rested on their laurels, and are still a fairly "modern" 21st century company. For that reason, my mic locker will never see a Chinese-made capsule, who originally just acted like copy cats. Sure, these days many other companies come out with a fine product range at an insane price (cheap, that is), but only coz they could capitalize on years of research of other companies.

I keep wondering: why on earth does every Chinese-made mic wanna sound like having an M7 capsule -- which was developed decades ago, under rather different economical & technical circumstances (after two WWs in Europe)??? They should get their act together and develop something NEW and BETTER (in such a booming market & economy) if they wanna established themselves as a serious mic manufacturing company, don't you think? As long as these copy cat companies are not willing & capable of doing so, they won't see a penny of my hard-earned money. Why would I want to support such a business strategy??

I don't wanna sound like a Neumann spokes person, but it sometimes upsets me that companies like Neumann are always getting bashed on this and on other forums (when was the last time someone said something positive on this forum?), and that many guys on this forum support the hype about cheapo mics and technology from countries where labor costs are way down, without keeping things in perspective. I wonder what would happen if pro recording and broadcast facilities would also lose their perspective and far-sight, and by doing so put companies like Neumann (and others) eventually out of business.

See, when I was on the market for an "OK-sounding" vocal mic last year, I finally ended getting a Gefell. Sure, it cost me maybe twice as much compared to other brands. But hey: they invented the M7 capsule, its still a hand-built mic, has one of the lowest self-noises, optical de-coupling of the capsule amplifier circuit (pretty innovative for a company who is on the market for 75 years, huh?) -- and know what? The mic sure sounds fine and I feel good about my decision because the bucks I've spent ended up in the right hands.
 
crazydoc said:
It may be that Alan is posting as an individual, not as a company (that would be spam, right?), where he has the same rights to make an ass of himself as the rest of us.

That could be. In that case, Alan, I'd recommend creating a second user ID without the official signature at the bottom. Anything posted in a personal capacity I have no quarrel with.
 
mshilarious said:
That could be. In that case, Alan, I'd recommend creating a second user ID without the official signature at the bottom. Anything posted in a personal capacity I have no quarrel with.

This fine, I will be happy to do it. Just know when I do, I will be accused of using other names by you know who.....
 
mshilarious said:
That could be. In that case, Alan, I'd recommend creating a second user ID without the official signature at the bottom. Anything posted in a personal capacity I have no quarrel with.

Nah. That would be kind'a foolish. Alan has the right to post here and his opinions are as valid as anyone else's.
 
alanhyatt said:
This fine, I will be happy to do it. Just know when I do, I will be accused of using other names by you know who.....
You can bet on that... PMI Audio Group needs their own forum.
 
DJL said:
You can bet on that... PMI Audio Group needs their own forum.
And here's a forum for you, DJ, that might actually benefit you more than posting here. You need to get this obsession under control.
 
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