Does Neumann Sell Any Mics These Days?

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mshilarious said:
Regardless of DJL's oft-stated opinion of your products I don't think that thinly veiled threats in a public forum are appropriate.
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Is that a threat?
 
alanhyatt said:
You know, anyone can spend a few hundred dollars to a PI, and your address can be posted all over the internet. Imagine all the mail and gift packages you would get.
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No, I think he meant that this statement was a threat.
 
DJL said:
I bet the distributors spreading BS on the internet about their cheap Chinese made budget mics sounding like Neumann mics hasn't helped Neumann's business any.
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Honestly, I dont think Neumann needs any help when it comes to diminishing their overall revenues. They are either a very poorly run organization or they are quite happy knowing they will be a very small company, in the very near future.
 
Sennheiser (Neumann's parent company) moved almost $300 million in sales last year. The company's revenues actually went up.
 
alanhyatt said:
Is that a threat?
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No, an exhortation for you to stop threatening people with invasion of privacy and harassment. Do you have trouble understanding the plain meaning of the English language?

Based on your behavior, I cannot fathom purchasing any of your products. I wouldn't purchase anything from DJL either, the difference being that he doesn't have anything to sell.
 
alanhyatt said:
You are a sick fuck DJL, and this is why. You know this dig is against my products and my company, but you had to do it. You just do not know when enough is enough. You don't learn, and we are all tired of you Spamming these threads with your anti-PMI bullshit. I am tired of it as well.

You know, anyone can spend a few hundred dollars to a PI, and your address can be posted all over the internet. Imagine all the mail and gift packages you would get.
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This is not necessarily a threat. It's just pointing out to DJL, that although he thinks he's anonymous behind his keyboard posting whatever looney thoughts cross his mind, that he's not. So he might want to take a little personal responsibility for what he says, or it could come back to haunt him. He needs to realize there's lots of folks out in the world even crazier than he is, and who might act on their craziness. Of course, no one who frequents these boards is like that... :)

Oh, and to get back on topic (again derailed for the umpteenth time by a DJL troll), yes, Neumann does sell a lot of mics these days. Just not to most of us.
 
Why does every post i put on the mic forum end up in a slagging match between Alan and DJL?
Alan you're not doing any favours to yourself or your company you should be a pillar to society not having a slanging match on a chat forum! Rise above it man, go and put on your 2000 dollar suit, 600 dollar shoes and jump in your 40,000 dollar car, Studio projects must have least bought you that, i have a friend who imports Chinese bathrooms and showers by the container load and i know what he pays for them and what he sells em for. You're a success great salesperson and innovator, with what seems a great team, what more could you want?
So DJL who are you, if its Alan and studio projects thats a problem can you tell us what is that problem? Have you purchased a duff 200 dollar mic? If so i'm quite sure SP would soon swap it for you. Will you be popping out in your 2000 dollar suit and forty grand car tonight for lunch, i very much doubt it. You've posted some great info on this forum and in a way i suppose i can see where you coming from, you're not going to get a 4 grand mic for 200 dollars, i think we all know that, but we can hope!
Well you might both tell me to F off, we'll see, perhaps i haven't been around here long enough to put on a message like this? Well if you do i'll go and get myself a life, and i might even buy a SP T3, is there any foul language in the instruction book?
Vikki(uk)
 
Vikki, all I said was "I bet the distributors spreading BS on the internet about their cheap Chinese made budget mics sounding like Neumann mics hasn't helped Neumann's business any." because that's what I think. What do you think? Seeing how we don't have any Neumann representatives on this forum that I know of... I'm a little curious why you asked "Does Neumann Sell Any Mics These Days?"?

PS... don't worry, I don't threaten people, and I always try not to use foul language, not that I never have... but, I try not to make a habbit of it... and I don't support pornography on this bbs either or sick slander. And that's not the first time Alan Hyatt has threaten me nor do I believe it will be his last since I have no intentions of filing a lawsuit against him... yet, anyway.

Peace,
Don
 
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ozraves said:
Sennheiser (Neumann's parent company) moved almost $300 million in sales last year. The company's revenues actually went up.
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Neumann operates under its own P&L. This brand has not increased marketshare over the last 4 years. Sennheisers increased revenues had nothing to do with Neumann.
 
musical5 said:
Neumann operates under its own P&L. This brand has not increased marketshare over the last 4 years. Sennheisers increased revenues had nothing to do with Neumann.
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Would you be so kind as to post the source of Neumann's P&L statement and the source of your statement that "[Neumann] has not increased marketshare over the last 4 years"?

Thank you. Just trying to do some fact checking.
 
musical5 said:
Neumann operates under its own P&L. This brand has not increased marketshare over the last 4 years. Sennheisers increased revenues had nothing to do with Neumann.
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Where can I get the numbers on Neumann?
 
Neuman never sold to home hobbyists, or budget minded studios before, and they STILL aren't selling to those markets. So Neumann isn't losing those sales because they never were in the position to get those sales.

What the 'cheap chineese mics' have done is broaden the market for condenser microphones. The 'nothing but the best' studios will still buy Neumans. Neuman could have come up with a budget line but the parent company decided not to water down the luxury brand and end up competing with the midline brand (Sennheiser). And this is somehow different than any other industry.
 
musical5 said:
My info comes from a friend that works for Neumann in Wennebostel. I think that this press release pretty much states the same. Sennheiser as a whole has not increased marketshare in the wired microphone market. Let alone Neumann.

http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/press_archive_3-2003_bilanz
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The article (and presumably your friend who, as you said "pretty much states the same") says nothing about increase or decrease in market share for Neumann. It ONLY states Neumann's market share in wired mics is less than 10%. No year to year comparisons whatsoever. No mention of profit and loss.

Go back to your original post. Care to admit what you said earlier is not supported by facts?
 
sdelsoray,

Im only repeating what I was told. Ill see if I can find the previous years wired microphone, market share statement.
 
sdelsolray said:
The article (and presumably your friend who, as you said "pretty much states the same") says nothing about increase or decrease in market share for Neumann. It ONLY states Neumann's market share in wired mics is less than 10%. No year to year comparisons whatsoever. No mention of profit and loss.

Go back to your original post. Care to admit what you said earlier is not supported by facts?
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Why are you attacking him? Do you have a vested interest? All he (and the article) says is that Neumann/Sennheiser's market share has remained static. What spin you choose to put on that fact is entirely your own choice.
 
The most recent press release on Sennheiser's revenues was fairly good. http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/icm_eng.nsf/root/press_releases_apc2004

However, it's not an actual report. I don't know if Sennheiser releases reports. I don't even know if it is a publicly traded company.

People used to speculate that IBM would go under because guys could sell IBM clones out of their garages. It didn't happen. IBM never wanted that market. I sincerely doubt that Sennheiser wants its Neumann brand to compete in that Chinese condenser mic market. If and only if very high quality mics that are truly competitive as upper end mics start rolling off the lines of the Chinese assemblers then will Neumann need to pay attention.
 
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Mark7 said:
Why are you attacking him? Do you have a vested interest? All he (and the article) says is that Neumann/Sennheiser's market share has remained static. What spin you choose to put on that fact is entirely your own choice.
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Why? It's actually a pretty simple reason. Just the facts please, or your opinion. No room for misstatements of fact.

Musical5 made three statements of "fact":

"Neumann operates under its own P&L."

"This brand has not increased marketshare over the last 4 years."

"Sennheisers increased revenues had nothing to do with Neumann."

When asked about it, Musical5 identified a link to a Sennheiser page and stated a friend of his said pretty much the same thing.

The Sennheiser article in no way supports any of the above statements. I conclude the statements made by Musical5 are not suppoprted, and are thus not true.

Nothing wrong with stating an opinion like "Neumann sucks" or "I like my [fill in the blank] better than Neumann." But when someone states something that can only be a fact or misstatement of fact, that's a different thing.

There's enough misinformation on the internet. I was just calling the guy out to prove up what he alleged, which he hasn't and I doubt that he could.
 
sdelsolray said:
"Neumann operates under its own P&L."

"This brand has not increased marketshare over the last 4 years."

"Sennheisers increased revenues had nothing to do with Neumann."

When asked about it, Musical5 identified a link to a Sennheiser page and stated a friend of his said pretty much the same thing.

The Sennheiser article in no way supports any of the above statements. I conclude the statements made by Musical5 are not suppoprted, and are thus not true.
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Here we are now in my specialty.

Really all of these things could be true. Sennheiser is privately held, so they don't have to release results. Even if they did, they probably wouldn't have to disclose segment results by brand.

Despite the nearly two year old financial results that musical5 link, they seem to have an inside source of information. Naturally, they probably don't have specific information, or cannot disclose it without jeopardizing their source.

So let's review each claim:

Neumann operates under its own P&L.
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Any professionally managed company knows exactly what the profitability of each subsidiary is. Indeed, they should know profitability down to the product and region level. This is what I do for a living.

The above statement is highly likely to be true. It is also highly likely that such information is highly confidential.


"This brand has not increased marketshare over the last 4 years."
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That is not the same as a decrease or static revenues. Indeed, given the number of new entrants, it's a good sign to not lose market share. I find this statement to be plausible.

Sennheisers increased revenues had nothing to do with Neumann.
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Tough to evaluate, but clearly Senn's other products are a much more significant portion of revenue than Neumann, so this is likely to be the case in any event.
 
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