Fed
New member
Hey Scooter B,
did you get an invitation from George
did you get an invitation from George
Scooter B
New member
Fed...You mean the free trip to Hawawii to jam on the beach etc in November? Oh yeah I can't wait!
Yes I go to the Christian Musicians Forum once a week or so ever since the original announcement about it showed up on this thread.
I had posted a few thing in the Bass Players Forum before they moved to a new address etc and I re-regestered after the move. There just have not been too many threads that I felt a need to contribute to but it was nice to see some familiar people there like yourself.
I'll try to drop in a litttle more often...It is just that here I get these e-mail reminders when new posts come up on my "subsribed forums" with the quick one click link that makes easier for absent minded people like myself...now what were we talking about again?
Fed
New member
ye CMF is a little slow both in posts and load time ...
check out the coffee shop ... I think it's just everybody there is too nice ... ... no flaiming or anything ... ... wait till they get to some doctrinal issues ... then it will be interesting ... LOL
I mostly hang around the mp3 clinique as I think that's what this site is about ... gear talk is cool but the actual endresult is more important IMHO ... good to see you .. or good to read you ...
check out the coffee shop ... I think it's just everybody there is too nice ...
... no flaiming or anything ... ... wait till they get to some doctrinal issues ... then it will be interesting ... LOLI mostly hang around the mp3 clinique as I think that's what this site is about ... gear talk is cool but the actual endresult is more important IMHO ... good to see you .. or good to read you ...
Scooter B
New member
FED,
I have not done a lot of MP3 listening because:
1. My computer has cheapo speakers, adequate for games but not for critical listening.
2. My computer is in the family room with the TV, wife and kids.
I can read and type while they watch TV but listening to music at the same time is a problem and after they go to bed does not work either in my humble abode.
I will look for you at the other forum though.
Dasvidania
I have not done a lot of MP3 listening because:
1. My computer has cheapo speakers, adequate for games but not for critical listening.
2. My computer is in the family room with the TV, wife and kids.
I can read and type while they watch TV but listening to music at the same time is a problem and after they go to bed does not work either in my humble abode.
I will look for you at the other forum though.
Dasvidania
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BrettB
Well-known member
Doesn't this stuff belong in the Cave?
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
why? its a songwriting thread...if you arent interested, move along.....
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Kevin Blight
New member
I have never heard a Christian Band that wasn't at least 5 years behind the times. The trouble with nice Christians is that they will put up with almost any kind of 4th rate crap that is presented to them 'in the service of the Lord', lap it up and ask for an encore.
If you are supposedly performing something in the service of the creator of the entire universe it would be appropriate to expect nothing but the highest possible standard...but no...instead we see a procession of useless bigoted morons trying to cram their beliefs down our throats in the name of their God, thinking they are doing him some kind of favour. I see. So U2 are a Christian band according to some list or other. So what. Who gives a monkeys? I never heard them sing a song that was particularly religious or moral. Except 'Gloria' and that could have been about a cleaning lady for all we know...
Worst of all is when a bunch of Christians all gang up to hype some single into the mainstream charts by all rushing out like headless chickens to buy it in the same week. It's happened several times in the UK and without exception the song has been yet another example of the most banal mediocre crap that so called 'Christian Artists' have been banging out since John Wesley fell off his horse. You lot are supposed to believe in creation, right? Well take a leaf out of your own books for once and be creative, and maybe somebody might just listen to it once in a while who doesn't have a Gideon bible crammed up his jacksie.
God bless.
If you are supposedly performing something in the service of the creator of the entire universe it would be appropriate to expect nothing but the highest possible standard...but no...instead we see a procession of useless bigoted morons trying to cram their beliefs down our throats in the name of their God, thinking they are doing him some kind of favour. I see. So U2 are a Christian band according to some list or other. So what. Who gives a monkeys? I never heard them sing a song that was particularly religious or moral. Except 'Gloria' and that could have been about a cleaning lady for all we know...
Worst of all is when a bunch of Christians all gang up to hype some single into the mainstream charts by all rushing out like headless chickens to buy it in the same week. It's happened several times in the UK and without exception the song has been yet another example of the most banal mediocre crap that so called 'Christian Artists' have been banging out since John Wesley fell off his horse. You lot are supposed to believe in creation, right? Well take a leaf out of your own books for once and be creative, and maybe somebody might just listen to it once in a while who doesn't have a Gideon bible crammed up his jacksie.
God bless.
bdbdbuck
New member
Kevin,
Where in the world did you dredge up this thread? I'm sure whoever started this thread is probably not even around any more, or at the very least has forgotten about it. Are you just dredging to start a flame war or what? I guess I just don't understand.
bd
Where in the world did you dredge up this thread? I'm sure whoever started this thread is probably not even around any more, or at the very least has forgotten about it. Are you just dredging to start a flame war or what? I guess I just don't understand.
bd
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
The guy who started it is still around
This thread has been hit by flaming assholes from the very first response yet still has carried on.....alot of good stuff has come out of this thread.....
so Kevin, your argument will be taken under advisement...youve given us all something to think about....thanks bro
5 years behind the times?....my music is at least 15-20 years behind, thank you........
This thread has been hit by flaming assholes from the very first response yet still has carried on.....alot of good stuff has come out of this thread.....
so Kevin, your argument will be taken under advisement...youve given us all something to think about....thanks bro
5 years behind the times?....my music is at least 15-20 years behind, thank you........
K
Kevin Blight
New member
Hey BD. No, not trying to start a flame war, but it is sunday after all...Strangely enough I found this thread after doing a search for 'Spirit Absolute 2's' and this came up...so maybe somebody has a sense of humour up there...probably came up with Holy Spirit or possibly absolutism or something. Didn't realise the thread was so old until I had replied. Well at least I wasn't talking to myself...mind you I did watch Songs of Praise on TV accidentally this afternoon and it did have some really dire people who proved my point.
Question....why are Christian Drummers so pathetic? This guy was playing with sticks like knitting needles. He just can't be a real drummer....real drummers LOVE playing loud and cannot resist beating the living daylights out of a kit, a kitchen door or anything they walk past.
One little girl seemed to think along the lines of 'well when my friends see me being a really good musician (her words) it shows being a Christian isnt boring'. Like being a musician validates your faith. Oh how I laughed.....tum te tum.....now I'm sure I found a reference to Behringers in my concordance somewhere.....
Question....why are Christian Drummers so pathetic? This guy was playing with sticks like knitting needles. He just can't be a real drummer....real drummers LOVE playing loud and cannot resist beating the living daylights out of a kit, a kitchen door or anything they walk past.
One little girl seemed to think along the lines of 'well when my friends see me being a really good musician (her words) it shows being a Christian isnt boring'. Like being a musician validates your faith. Oh how I laughed.....tum te tum.....now I'm sure I found a reference to Behringers in my concordance somewhere.....
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jimihey
New member
Oh what nonsense.
I have and will continue to write songs which express my world veiw.
Basically this will inevitably result in some of my songs being about faith and my beliefs/struggles, I also write about loads of other things - including mainstream pop....why ..... because it pays the bills.
I agree, being a musician doesn't validate your faith... but I disagree that "all christian music is in some way lazy ..or crap."
Faith or no faith this statement is bullshit. Yes, there is some utter garbage out there, there are also gems of insight and skill which we would all do well to learn from.
As someone who works in both worlds and wasn't always "christian" I can assure you the secular world has more than it's fair share of losers, wannabees and poor music.
Simple demographics will show you the proportion is about the same.
Just because someone is interested in other folk writing from a faith perspective simply does not deserve the kind of responses this thread has attracted.
If you have big issues with anything...it might suit you better to examine why...and as I found .... if you've got big issues with Jesus...it tends to be because he's got big issues with you.
Perhaps the pair of you should talk, face to face, sort it out..you know?
Iain
Yaaaahooo let's flame away..............
I have and will continue to write songs which express my world veiw.
Basically this will inevitably result in some of my songs being about faith and my beliefs/struggles, I also write about loads of other things - including mainstream pop....why ..... because it pays the bills.
I agree, being a musician doesn't validate your faith... but I disagree that "all christian music is in some way lazy ..or crap."
Faith or no faith this statement is bullshit. Yes, there is some utter garbage out there, there are also gems of insight and skill which we would all do well to learn from.
As someone who works in both worlds and wasn't always "christian" I can assure you the secular world has more than it's fair share of losers, wannabees and poor music.
Simple demographics will show you the proportion is about the same.
Just because someone is interested in other folk writing from a faith perspective simply does not deserve the kind of responses this thread has attracted.
If you have big issues with anything...it might suit you better to examine why...and as I found .... if you've got big issues with Jesus...it tends to be because he's got big issues with you.
Perhaps the pair of you should talk, face to face, sort it out..you know?
Iain
Yaaaahooo let's flame away..............
J
jimihey
New member
Oh what nonsense.
I have and will continue to write songs which express my world veiw.
Basically this will inevitably result in some of my songs being about faith and my beliefs/struggles, I also write about loads of other things - including mainstream pop....why ..... because it pays the bills.
I agree, being a musician doesn't validate your faith... but I disagree that "all christian music is in some way lazy ..or crap."
Faith or no faith this statement is bullshit. Yes, there is some utter garbage out there, there are also gems of insight and skill which we would all do well to learn from.
As someone who works in both worlds and wasn't always "christian" I can assure you the secular world has more than it's fair share of losers, wannabees and poor music.
Simple demographics will show you the proportion is about the same.
Just because someone is interested in other folk writing from a faith perspective simply does not deserve the kind of responses this thread has attracted.
If you have big issues with anything...it might suit you better to examine why...and as I found .... if you've got big issues with Jesus...it tends to be because he's got big issues with you.
Perhaps the pair of you should talk, face to face, sort it out..you know?
Iain
Yaaaahooo let's flame away..............
I have and will continue to write songs which express my world veiw.
Basically this will inevitably result in some of my songs being about faith and my beliefs/struggles, I also write about loads of other things - including mainstream pop....why ..... because it pays the bills.
I agree, being a musician doesn't validate your faith... but I disagree that "all christian music is in some way lazy ..or crap."
Faith or no faith this statement is bullshit. Yes, there is some utter garbage out there, there are also gems of insight and skill which we would all do well to learn from.
As someone who works in both worlds and wasn't always "christian" I can assure you the secular world has more than it's fair share of losers, wannabees and poor music.
Simple demographics will show you the proportion is about the same.
Just because someone is interested in other folk writing from a faith perspective simply does not deserve the kind of responses this thread has attracted.
If you have big issues with anything...it might suit you better to examine why...and as I found .... if you've got big issues with Jesus...it tends to be because he's got big issues with you.
Perhaps the pair of you should talk, face to face, sort it out..you know?
Iain
Yaaaahooo let's flame away..............
J
jimihey
New member
Oh what nonsense.
I have and will continue to write songs which express my world veiw.
Basically this will inevitably result in some of my songs being about faith and my beliefs/struggles, I also write about loads of other things - including mainstream pop....why ..... because it pays the bills.
I agree, being a musician doesn't validate your faith... but I disagree that "all christian music is in some way lazy ..or crap."
Faith or no faith this statement is bullshit. Yes, there is some utter garbage out there, there are also gems of insight and skill which we would all do well to learn from.
As someone who works in both worlds and wasn't always "christian" I can assure you the secular world has more than it's fair share of losers, wannabees and poor music.
Simple demographics will show you the proportion is about the same.
Just because someone is interested in other forumites writing from a faith perspective simply does not deserve the kind of responses this thread has attracted.
If you have big issues with anything...it might suit you better to examine why...and as I found .... if you've got big issues with Jesus...it tends to be because he's got big issues with you.
Perhaps the pair of you should talk, face to face, sort it out..you know?
Iain
Yaaaahooo let's flame away..............
I have and will continue to write songs which express my world veiw.
Basically this will inevitably result in some of my songs being about faith and my beliefs/struggles, I also write about loads of other things - including mainstream pop....why ..... because it pays the bills.
I agree, being a musician doesn't validate your faith... but I disagree that "all christian music is in some way lazy ..or crap."
Faith or no faith this statement is bullshit. Yes, there is some utter garbage out there, there are also gems of insight and skill which we would all do well to learn from.
As someone who works in both worlds and wasn't always "christian" I can assure you the secular world has more than it's fair share of losers, wannabees and poor music.
Simple demographics will show you the proportion is about the same.
Just because someone is interested in other forumites writing from a faith perspective simply does not deserve the kind of responses this thread has attracted.
If you have big issues with anything...it might suit you better to examine why...and as I found .... if you've got big issues with Jesus...it tends to be because he's got big issues with you.
Perhaps the pair of you should talk, face to face, sort it out..you know?
Iain
Yaaaahooo let's flame away..............
J
jimihey
New member
Christian songwriters can, however, be really thick and send of 3 emails when they meant to send one.
Iain
Iain
Son of Mixerman
Mix Junior
Kevin Blight said:
Lets not paint with such a broad brush. Stryper had one of the best drummers in Metal. Ive met some pretty heavy drummer and some pretty whimpy drummers on both sides of the religious fence.
Kevin Blight said:
I wouldn't suggest looking at the tv on an "entertainment" channel to find the definition of "Christian". Yes, those show are primarily entertainment, they require lots of money to stay on the air like CNN. As someone who tries to be a Christian to the best of my abilities, I do feel sad for people who use the name of Jesus Christ to further their musical careers that failed in the secular world. I think (IMO) that there are a good number of people like you mentioned who try to justify their existance in the entainment industry by attaching their personal goals to the cause of Christ. Who gets the glory? You on stage for the whole world to see, wearing make-up and bright lights? Jesus wasn't a Rock Star.
Jesus said to imitate him.....
Christian= Disciple of Christ.
There were ..or used to be people who were truly interested in writing music to impress God and not A&R reps... but that was way back in Mozarts day... great hymns...
I write Christian based songs, but Im not interested in making money, its just a bunch of friends sharing a common goal.
Peace,
SoMm
dafduc
New member
You're obiously ignoring the Gospel genre...
Daf
Daf
Kevin Blight said:
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MercyfullMusic
New member
Response to Kevin
Kevin,
I think you make some good points. As Christians our sincere desire should be to glorify God, rather than to think in terms of "crossing over" to the mainstream, etc. The minute we start to think in those terms we begin to write songs with a marketing mentality, copying styles of music which are currently popular, or using ambiguous lyrics to give them a watered down version of the Gospel which will be accepted by a secular culture. My firm belief as a Christian musician has always been that I want to do the following:
1. Try to live a life in accordance with what God wants me to be, not what media or culture wants me to be. In essence to live to a higher standard than my own. If music ever makes me compromise in this area my music is shelved because it is secondary.
2. To be the most creative, and skilled musician I can be. (There is no doubt in scripture that God called the most skilled artisians to do work for Him) He deserves the best and that's what I want to be.
3. To write songs reflecting my beliefs in an open, uncompromising way, which show the weakness of the human condition, the hope which can be found in Christ Jesus, and joy found in relationship with Him.
My belief is that as people in the current culture of the world we have all seen enough media, marketing machines, over-hyped blah blah blah-excess that people are in overload. What people really need to hear and know is the message, a sincere message of truth which is not sold to them in some slick way, nor presented to them based on some overly religious platform, but that really illustrates why we believe what we believe and how the message is for everyone inclusively. The Christian music industry has it's heart in the right place but I think musicians give themselves too much credit when they think that we can change someone's heart with our talent or performance. You can entertain them, but you cannot change their heart. Only God can do that, and they only come to know God when they believe in our sincerity.
The only other thing I wanted to add was that I think it's interesting that you have observed the Christian music scene so close Kevin. It also seems like God's maybe been speaking to you but all the religious stuff you've heard has turned you off. Don't ignore the message because of the messengers. Jesus loves you, and if you don't feel He's presented rightly He just might use you differently than what you're hearing on the radio to present His message. If He's calling you, give your life to Him regardless of hypocrisy that you see in people and see what changes come in your life. You'll be amazed.
That's all I have to say.
Love each other people.
Kevin,
I think you make some good points. As Christians our sincere desire should be to glorify God, rather than to think in terms of "crossing over" to the mainstream, etc. The minute we start to think in those terms we begin to write songs with a marketing mentality, copying styles of music which are currently popular, or using ambiguous lyrics to give them a watered down version of the Gospel which will be accepted by a secular culture. My firm belief as a Christian musician has always been that I want to do the following:
1. Try to live a life in accordance with what God wants me to be, not what media or culture wants me to be. In essence to live to a higher standard than my own. If music ever makes me compromise in this area my music is shelved because it is secondary.
2. To be the most creative, and skilled musician I can be. (There is no doubt in scripture that God called the most skilled artisians to do work for Him) He deserves the best and that's what I want to be.
3. To write songs reflecting my beliefs in an open, uncompromising way, which show the weakness of the human condition, the hope which can be found in Christ Jesus, and joy found in relationship with Him.
My belief is that as people in the current culture of the world we have all seen enough media, marketing machines, over-hyped blah blah blah-excess that people are in overload. What people really need to hear and know is the message, a sincere message of truth which is not sold to them in some slick way, nor presented to them based on some overly religious platform, but that really illustrates why we believe what we believe and how the message is for everyone inclusively. The Christian music industry has it's heart in the right place but I think musicians give themselves too much credit when they think that we can change someone's heart with our talent or performance. You can entertain them, but you cannot change their heart. Only God can do that, and they only come to know God when they believe in our sincerity.
The only other thing I wanted to add was that I think it's interesting that you have observed the Christian music scene so close Kevin. It also seems like God's maybe been speaking to you but all the religious stuff you've heard has turned you off. Don't ignore the message because of the messengers. Jesus loves you, and if you don't feel He's presented rightly He just might use you differently than what you're hearing on the radio to present His message. If He's calling you, give your life to Him regardless of hypocrisy that you see in people and see what changes come in your life. You'll be amazed.
That's all I have to say.
Love each other people.
Jagular
Active member
Kevin Blight said:
LMAO
Get run over by a nun or something? Sounds like you got a big chip on your shoulder.
You know it is possible for someone to really like the content of something even if it isn't the best performed/recored/produced thing in the world. That being said I've heard some pretty damn good souding/written Christian music. Plus I can't say anything different from what you said about a majority of the popular music I hear out there today. Of course that is merely my very humble opinion
Talk about bigoted...from your post all I can conclude is pot > kettle >black.
Kevin Blight said:
Hmmm....very strange. But thanks. He has and will continue to. I wish the same back on you
Jagular
Active member
Re: Response to Kevin
Yeah...that's what I meant
Nice post man
MercyfullMusic said:
Yeah...that's what I meant
Nice post man
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pkmusic
New member
Wow, this is a long thread!!!
Does anyone write to spanish Christian music????
I am a christian wannabe producer (but not too far from making that happen). I compose all types of music: P & W, ballads, rap, r&b, pop, reggae, salsa, merengue, and any spanish genre type of music. Hopefully I can post an english song for you guys to check out. Right now I am focusing on rap... That is gospel rap and not Christian rap.
I honestly believe that Christian rap has a bad reputation. If anyone here listens to Christian rap, there aren't too many gruops that praise God on their cd as much as they should. Example: Cross Movement is the only well known rap group that actually glorifies God in their music (they could though do more). All the other groups sound like they are rappers who couldn't make money in the secular music industry. My vision is to change the way people see rap... combine rap with praise and worship... combine lyrics as beautiful as George Parler's with rap would be a perfect example of what rap should be like. Remember when people believed Rock&Roll was of the devil. Well people still do but not as much. Hopefully we can have more anointed rappers as we now have for many other types of music.
Does anyone write to spanish Christian music????
I am a christian wannabe producer (but not too far from making that happen). I compose all types of music: P & W, ballads, rap, r&b, pop, reggae, salsa, merengue, and any spanish genre type of music. Hopefully I can post an english song for you guys to check out. Right now I am focusing on rap... That is gospel rap and not Christian rap.
I honestly believe that Christian rap has a bad reputation. If anyone here listens to Christian rap, there aren't too many gruops that praise God on their cd as much as they should. Example: Cross Movement is the only well known rap group that actually glorifies God in their music (they could though do more). All the other groups sound like they are rappers who couldn't make money in the secular music industry. My vision is to change the way people see rap... combine rap with praise and worship... combine lyrics as beautiful as George Parler's with rap would be a perfect example of what rap should be like. Remember when people believed Rock&Roll was of the devil. Well people still do but not as much. Hopefully we can have more anointed rappers as we now have for many other types of music.