DMP3 vs VTB1

[acorec]

I think an RNP would be worth saving for. It competes with ~$1000 units. It is better than all units in the $400 range. It will make a substantial contribution to your sound and is something you will use for alot longer than any of the cheaper pre's.

 

[cominginsecond]

I think an RNP would be worth saving for. It competes with ~$1000 units. It is better than all units in the $400 range. It will make a substantial contribution to your sound and is something you will use for alot longer than any of the cheaper pre's.

Have you heard clips from the DMP3 compared to the RNC? They're almost indistinguishable to me.

 

[Gidge]

for the price of one RNC you can get 4 DMP3's.......

I figure the DMP3 gives you 85-90% the performance of the RNP, at 25 % of the price....its called value......

 

[chessparov]

C9, the VTB-1 is somewhat quieter than the DMP3, however, you
wouldn't notice it unless you were at/near full gain, like when you're using a dynamic microphone or ribbon.

For recording others, IMHO, a Shure SM57 would be an essential vocal microphone as an option. In that case, the edge would go to the VTB-1. If you're limiting things to just condensers and need two channels, the DMP3 would make more sense between the two, if you can bag it for $120.

Check your PM for further comments...

Chris

 

[c9-2001]

MMP-2 $150?

Where? that pre is sweet.

thats my price but check ebay, you can get them new for 199

chessparov, i use a adk a51tc...10x cleaner than the sm57.. i won't ever record any of my good artist with a 57 again, i just don't like the sound.
i'm gonna compare a adk a51tc and a tlm193 with the dmp3 tomorrow when i go pick it up

 

[Teacher]

for the price of one RNC you can get 4 DMP3's.......

I figure the DMP3 gives you 85-90% the performance of the RNP, at 25 % of the price....its called value......

the mackie pre's seem 85-90% there when comparing individual tracks but compare an entire mix and the difference will jump out may or may not be the same wit the dmp3 ..cuz i've never used one just the omni studio thing...and i was just about as excited as the mackie pre's with it good enough but not good enough...

 

[willovercome]

i would have no problem tracking a whole song through an RNP. it stacks up tracks really well. the dmp-3 on the other hand will cause some problems if it's used for more than 6-8 tracks in a song - from my experience. that being said, it is an awesome value. if you can't afford an RNP get the DMP3. i have both and i reach for the DMP3 almost as often as i reach for the RNP, i wouldn't want to be without either.

 

[Teacher]

i would have no problem tracking a whole song through an RNP. it stacks up tracks really well. the dmp-3 on the other hand will cause some problems if it's used for more than 6-8 tracks in a song - from my experience. that being said, it is an awesome value. if you can't afford an RNP get the DMP3. i have both and i reach for the DMP3 almost as often as i reach for the RNP, i wouldn't want to be without either.

what tracks do you feel the DMP3 out does or at least is equal to the RNP in?

 

[c9-2001]

i have the dmp3 its nice, but i'll be getting a Joemeek vc6 in a few days and i've heard nothing but good things about it.. and thats really what i need.. a vocal strip..

 

[chessrock]

The dmp3 really shows it's moxy when you plug a condenser in to it and record stuff with a lot of high end content. Think cymbals, hi-hats, tamborine, sibilant vocalists, etc. . . .

That's kinda' where the typical SM2017-based mic pre like the Joemeek/Aphex/dbx, etc. kind of fall short (although I hear the newer Joemeeks will be using the Burr-brown replacements when they're out). There is a slightly noticeable brittleness to the high end that I just don't hear as much in the (Burr-Brown) INA163-based pres like the dmp3, Rane MS-1B, and similar.

And I apologize for being such a broken record on this stuff, but I really have a hunch it's in the chips, guys. When you're dealing with mic pres that are based almost solely around an instrument amplifier, it's got to be a major factor. It just seems like Brown is better. The Brown got it down.

 

[shortyprs]

I have a DMP3, an rnp and a Meek VC6Q. They work well together for getting a balanced mix. It's hard to say which I turn to for what, because so much depends on the nature of the source and the hole in the mix that I'm trying to fill. Overheads always get recorded on the DMP3 because it has 2 channles, and it sounds great. The drums can really come out in the mix. If a snare, voice or electric guitar needs a little more air or a more precise spot in the mix, I go rnp. If I need more 'oomph', fullness or warmth, on a voice or the bass, it goes through the Meek. But all those trends can be turned upside down depending on the song. I keep avoiding the vtb1 because it sounds too thin to my ears and the rnp fits the bill for a more precise sound in the mix.

 

[crawdad]

Since the MMP 2 was thrown into the choices, I'm really curious to know if anybody with some experience with others pres has done a comparision. It seems to be totally ignored--not because its bad or good--just because nobodys tried one.

Anybody?

 

[chessparov]

Since C9 is getting the VC6 from me, only say good things about it from now
on like what shortyprs said, O.K. guys?
It's all packed and ready for its new home.

Chris

 

[Orpheus]

just wanted to say that i did get the dmp-3 for $120 at gc, but not without a fight. and i had to buy some other smaller item with it, otherwise the guy wouldn't give it to me. and i argued with him for 10 min before he gave in.

so, be prepared for some intense negotiations.

 

[christiaan]

just wanted to say that i did get the dmp-3 for $120 at gc, but not without a fight. and i had to buy some other smaller item with it, otherwise the guy wouldn't give it to me. and i argued with him for 10 min before he gave in.

so, be prepared for some intense negotiations.

lol, well done.

 

[c9-2001]

Since C9 is getting the VC6 from me, only say good things about it from now
on like what shortyprs said, O.K. guys?
It's all packed and ready for its new home.

Chris

lol i trust yiu chess.. i know it'll be a good sounding unit and the compressor is gonna help me too.. i usually use Waves Rvox for gate/compression but i'd like to have a controlled vocal going into the computer so i don't have to compress a lot..

i'll send thje money over paypal later today, good looking out

 

[chessparov]

C9, trusting me is your first mistake! (just kidding)

Keep in mind, like in the articles I referred to, that the Meek is a
"character" opto-compressor, not a "linear" type like a VCA.
(Fmr. Audio RNC is an example of an excellent VCA unit)
A VCA unit is capable of faster control of dynamic transients.
Used in careful moderation, the Meek compression can be very
flattering to vocals, as it will thicken them.

A main part of this style of compression is to let transients through
so that the dynamics aren't dulled as much as on a VCA unit.
(not the kind of "transients" that sleep on park benchs!)
It'll be a good addition to the toolbox for you.

Chris

 

[willovercome]

what tracks do you feel the DMP3 out does or at least is equal to the RNP in?

in some situations i like to use the DMP3 for the vocals, other times it sounds good on acoustic guitar. typically the only thing i think i like it better than the RNP for is overheads on drums. the RNP sounds really clean, but the DMP3 is a little muddier which i like for the overheads, it makes all the drums sorta sit well together. usually i like the RNP better for most things.

 

[Speeddemon]

I find the analogy with women quite the opposite.

The DMP-3 is quite the looker, but she doesn't know it fully. A bit naive if you will. She'll do anything for you as long as you ask her to. Also way more bigger breasts (=the VU's ) and no half-grown foetus(=toob) in her tummy that only gets in the way of fine love-making (=recording)...

The VTB-1 on the other hand is quite trashy with lots of bells and whistles, but little action. Tiny breasts, pregnant for 4 months now and needs more make-up, but sitting in her trailer all day watching Springer doesn't give her time for that...


Seriously, I have the DMP-3 myself, I have heard most of the DMP-3/VTB-1 a/b-sessions, and the VTB-1 really sounds too dirty and brittle. I'm not trying to diss SP or Alan, since I'm a very proud owner of 2 of his mics (and maybe 3 more in the nearby future), but in my honest opinion, the VTB-1 was a kind of a failure.

 

[chessparov]

Speed, I think like most any pre, and certainly in the budget classes, some of them "mate" better with certain microphones.

I like the VTB-1 because when you turn it way up for a dynamic microphone, it's still quiet. While convinced it doesn't have the seemingly symbiotic relationship with a SM57, like the RNP,
it sounds particulary excellent on the 200 Ohm dynamics like the Beyer M88 or Sennheiser MD421 IMHO.

Chris