Dogman
Unkle Ticklefingers
I'm working on another try, but also must get ready to leave on vacation. Slowed me down a little.pingu said:
Reggie
PutsTheLotionOnItsSkin
OK, here is my attempt (hopefully this link werks): http://media.putfile.com/DarkLonely-ReggiesMaster
I hate excusatory prefaces more than anybody, but I will have to attribute any unniceties to the fact that I was trying to push this out in a short time period on the day I closed on my house and trying to the finish before my "movers" (family) arrived.
I probably could have been a little more aggressive on the S's, but oh well....
If there is any interest, I will try to compile the changes I made to it tonight or something. There were sort of a lot, but mostly minor moves.
I hate excusatory prefaces more than anybody, but I will have to attribute any unniceties to the fact that I was trying to push this out in a short time period on the day I closed on my house and trying to the finish before my "movers" (family) arrived.
I probably could have been a little more aggressive on the S's, but oh well....If there is any interest, I will try to compile the changes I made to it tonight or something. There were sort of a lot, but mostly minor moves.
mshilarious
Banned
Reggie said:
Is it possible to download from that site, or am I just being a little thick
I think that's a good master, agree with you on the de-essing, and I would try to control the bass a little more.
Dogman
Unkle Ticklefingers
I think it sounds pretty good really. I don't hear an S problem at my end. I think with the way Jack sang, there will always be some pronounced S's, but it sounds decent to me man. (I don't think English is Jack's native language.). You seemed to have tamed some of the boom also. Put up some details if you can.Reggie said:OK, here is my attempt (hopefully this link werks): http://media.putfile.com/DarkLonely-ReggiesMaster
I hate excusatory prefaces more than anybody, but I will have to attribute any unniceties to the fact that I was trying to push this out in a short time period on the day I closed on my house and trying to the finish before my "movers" (family) arrived.
If there is any interest, I will try to compile the changes I made to it tonight or something. There were sort of a lot, but mostly minor moves.
Ed
masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
pingu said:
I'm also juggling a few issues here. I'm in the process of moving to a new location and getting things ready for the studio there. Also trying to get projects done (still gotta pay the bills).
I loaded most of the submissions into my DAW yesterday and gave them a blind test.
My favorite of the ones I tested was mshilarious second version. I think the frequency balance is pretty good. The treatments used added quite a bit of clarity to the track without making the upper mids harsh, and took care of the bottom pretty well.
Pingu, yours was second. I liked the mids that I heard from mshilarious version a little more though. I don't know if you are still interested in participating but I would like to hear what you do in regards to level.
I also started working on a version, but then had an appointment with a client. I had him give a quick listen and he also seemed to prefer mshilarous' version of the track. We both felt that it could use a bit more "depth". Not an easy thing to do with digital. I'll try to get a first draft of a version to demonstrate what I'm talking about very soon.
Dogman
Unkle Ticklefingers
Ok, another run, mainly with just eq. I tried to get rid of teh boom in the bottom end, and may have gone too far.
Master try
Master try
mshilarious
Banned
masteringhouse said:
That's kind of embarassing, it was really just supposed to be a demonstration of relative volume levels when the EQ was brought more into line Having said that, what about your comments on clients and volume? I guess I've not brave enough to turn back a quieter master
mshilarious
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Dogman said:Ok, another run, mainly with just eq. I tried to get rid of teh boom in the bottom end, and may have gone too far.
Master try
Well I had a hard time picking just the right pinch of bass, but your #2 is probably as good as any. There are some good choices there I think.
masteringhouse
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mshilarious said:
Having said that, what about your comments on clients and volume? I guess I've not brave enough to turn back a quieter master
This may have been an error of omission on my part. I assumed that the second version of everyone's track was an improved version and to save time only listened to those.
In order to put everyone on an equal playing field I prefer to load each track into my DAW and listen on the studio monitors. This takes a bit of time so I was trying to take a shortcut.
I'll go back and check version 1 if you like.
As far as volume and the client, the customer is always right since it's their music and self-expression. I give my opinion as far as what the level should be and the final decision has to be theirs. Trying to do otherwise is akin to censorship.
IMHO, for this track I don't think it benefits from being "loud". I'm coming in around K-12/10. Any louder than that and the soundfield seems to collapse as well as losing some of the excitement.
mshilarious
Banned
masteringhouse said:
I have a v3 posted, that's final, but I wouldn't worry about it, listen to other people's submissions instead.
Isn't K-10 pretty loud? I believe my v2 was K-15 or 16.
masteringhouse
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mshilarious said:
According to my reading on Spectrafoo your second version is coming in around K-12
mshilarious
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masteringhouse said:
Hmmm. K-meters confuse me. I use the one on the UAD Precision Limiter, but it has no function to calculate average values, and it doesn't seem to translate exactly to RMS. So I just watch the meter to see what value it bounces around, old-school style. On that meter, set to K-12, my v2 hovers around -3 VU.
Or maybe you are listening to my v3? That is K-12. v2 was only a 1 minute clip, v3 is full length.
masteringhouse
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It would be nice if BK could weigh in here.
For a simple explanation, in Spectrafoo there are levels for safe (in the green), caution (yellow), and danger (set to 0 dBFS).
So for a K-12 the safe level would be set at -12, caution -8 (4 db difference between K number and caution). When the audio is at or below -12 dBFS it's in the "green". When it is greater than -12 but less than or equal to -8 its in the "yellow". If the audio goes beyond that it is going out of the range for that K level and goes into the red.
In your second version some of the bass notes extend pretty far and are close to red at K-12, on average you're about 2 db below 12 which is why you're probably thinking the value is lower.
The K-system is also about monitor gain not just meters. See the following for a better explanation:
http://digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_page_id=59
Is K-10 loud? Seems to be about the average today ...
For a simple explanation, in Spectrafoo there are levels for safe (in the green), caution (yellow), and danger (set to 0 dBFS).
So for a K-12 the safe level would be set at -12, caution -8 (4 db difference between K number and caution). When the audio is at or below -12 dBFS it's in the "green". When it is greater than -12 but less than or equal to -8 its in the "yellow". If the audio goes beyond that it is going out of the range for that K level and goes into the red.
In your second version some of the bass notes extend pretty far and are close to red at K-12, on average you're about 2 db below 12 which is why you're probably thinking the value is lower.
The K-system is also about monitor gain not just meters. See the following for a better explanation:
http://digido.com/portal/pmodule_id=11/pmdmode=fullscreen/pageadder_page_id=59
Is K-10 loud? Seems to be about the average today ...
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caryindy
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masteringhouse said:
Yep. Have you asked him?
mshilarious
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I think I understand that now
Maybe a picture will help, this a peak value from my last version:
Maybe a picture will help, this a peak value from my last version:
Reggie
PutsTheLotionOnItsSkin
Tom, I would be interested in hearing your input on my version as well ^
I can email you the file or something if need to load it into something (instead of playing back in internet explorer). It looks like Putfile may not have a way to do a direct download
I do remember the chain went something like....PLParEQ > GSSL stereo buss compressor (outboard) > more PLParEQ > yet another band or two of PLParEQ > UAD Pultec Pro > Spitfish > UAD Precision Limiter . I think. Yeah, a lot of EQing here.
And I'll put up some more specific settings later.
I can email you the file or something if need to load it into something (instead of playing back in internet explorer). It looks like Putfile may not have a way to do a direct download
I do remember the chain went something like....PLParEQ > GSSL stereo buss compressor (outboard) > more PLParEQ > yet another band or two of PLParEQ > UAD Pultec Pro > Spitfish > UAD Precision Limiter . I think. Yeah, a lot of EQing here.
And I'll put up some more specific settings later.
masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
caryindy said:
Just sent an email.
masteringhouse
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Reggie said:Tom, I would be interested in hearing your input on my version as well ^
I can email you the file or something if need to load it into something (instead of playing back in internet explorer). It looks like Putfile may not have a way to do a direct download
I do remember the chain went something like....PLParEQ > GSSL stereo buss compressor (outboard) > more PLParEQ > yet another band or two of PLParEQ > UAD Pultec Pro > Spitfish > UAD Precision Limiter . I think. Yeah, a lot of EQing here.
And I'll put up some more specific settings later.
I'd like to try a few at a time rather than listening to each track individually.
I'l wait for a few more entries ...
Reggie
PutsTheLotionOnItsSkin
OK people, come on; let's get those entries rolling! They don't even have to be good. Actually worse is better, so that mine will compare better.
Just kiddin; no rush, man.
Just kiddin; no rush, man.
masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
mshilarious said:I think I understand that now
Maybe a picture will help, this a peak value from my last version:
Ms I checked back in Bob's book and I should have said "When the average audio level is at or below -12 dBFS and it's in the "green".
Averages are occasionally misleading. Someone once told me that if you stick your head in the freezer and your feet in a fire the average is that you would be at a comfortable temperature. Similary what I'm seeing in version 2 of your master there is a temporary "average" when the synth comes in that's quite a bit higher for about a second than when it's not. To determine a true average you have to consider the length of time of the values that you are averaging. Not clear on how the K-System addresses this. As a result you may be closer to K-14 in the second version than I originally thought.
Hopefully BK will answer this for us.