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Great tone there.

Even if you never have the imagination or chops to put together a tune with that great tone, your post has been extremely educational to me. Each riff played in that rock setting has to have that power or be coming off of a tacit back to that power to make it work.

A pretty simple idea with a lot of power behind it!

Thanks for the class, Dogman.
 
drstawl said:
Great tone there.

Even if you never have the imagination or chops to put together a tune with that great tone, your post has been extremely educational to me. Each riff played in that rock setting has to have that power or be coming off of a tacit back to that power to make it work.

A pretty simple idea with a lot of power behind it!

Thanks for the class, Dogman.
Thanks, man. I will keep working on it, and see what transpires. Appreciate the feedback. It really helps.

Ed
 
Ok, I did a mix, with some scratch vocals in it, just to see what would transpire. Still pretty rough, but I will be leaving Wed morning, and be gone for a week, so I won't be able to work on this for a bit.
See what you think...
Rough Mix

The holes will be filled by SnakeDog. It should wind up being a very nasty, guitar wankfest.... :D :D :D :D
 
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Llarion said:
OK, so my opinion on this can be expresses thusly:

I was expecting the guys from Orange County Choppers to come thundering through the wall of the studio....

Nice and fat and crunchy!!!!
I think the version with my scratch vocals will really bring the image of this out now....Thanks dude.
Ed
 
Dogmna, I'm going to get to the details on this one later, as I can't seem to connect to the latest version here from work. For now, let me say that I'm very impressed with the meaty guitar tones here and the drum sound is very appropriate. All in all, this is shaping up to be a very respectable tune.
 
Supercreep said:
Dogmna, I'm going to get to the details on this one later, as I can't seem to connect to the latest version here from work. For now, let me say that I'm very impressed with the meaty guitar tones here and the drum sound is very appropriate. All in all, this is shaping up to be a very respectable tune.
Thanks, man. I'd really like your thoughts on how the vocals seem to fit, and if the empty space, when filled with some really nasty sounding leads, will suit the tune. Plus the drums...I think I buried them. It's still pretty rough, but I think I panned too much towards the center with the drums, and the kick is hard to hear. The basic drum track sounds pretty good, except for the snare. Guitars might need some eq, as they are pretty dry right now.
Thanks again.
Ed
 
Dogman said:
Ok, I did a mix, with some scratch vocals in it, just to see what would transpire. Still pretty rough, but I will be leaving Wed morning, and be gone for a week, so I won't be able to work on this for a bit.
See what you think...
Rough Mix

The holes will be filled by SnakeDog. It should wind up being a very nasty, guitar wankfest.... :D :D :D :D


Awesome Dogman, can't wait to have some fun with this :D :D Since you'll be gone a week I'll take my time. I'll pretty much use the same tone as the clip I posted earlier in this thread.
 
SnakeDog5050 said:
Awesome Dogman, can't wait to have some fun with this :D :D Since you'll be gone a week I'll take my time. I'll pretty much use the same tone as the clip I posted earlier in this thread.
Cool...just make sure it's nasty.... :D
 
The chorus feels strange because of the drum pattern, imo. Maybe a straight half time feel would feel a little more natural. This is one of the heaviest guitar sounds I've ever fucking heard, and I can offer zero advice on how to make it better. Congratulations, I remember about three months ago you had a post in which you were asking about how to improve your guitar sound - I guess you're there, bro. I'll be bookmarking this thread for when I need to try something that sounds like this. Thanks.

Your lyrics just kill me. I have told people in the past when they have asked how they can improve their vocals to just find what they do best and stick to it. You are a great example of that. You deliver the song in an unmistakable Dogman way. Your enunciation is good, and it's not an overbearing cookie monster growl. In fact, it seems to be evolving into a pretty straight ahead spoken word delivery - if you can find the line between an affected growl and a phlegmatic wheezy whiskey rasp you'll have it nailed. It's not terrible, and if you continue to hone it, it will work for you very well. The way I hear it, delivery and word economy are everything. Leonard Cohen and Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan are still capable of raising the hair on the back of my neck with a spot-on delivery. I think Leonard Cohen's style in particular could be an interesting thing for you to study. Keep working at your craft, bro. You're getting results.
 
Dogman said:
Cool...just make sure it's nasty.... :D

Cool man, I usually hold back for the sake of melody, but not this time. I guarantee... NASTY!!! :D :D :D :D :cool: Haha, I'll try to outdo the clip and fit the song too... we'll see what happens.
 
Supercreep said:
The chorus feels strange because of the drum pattern, imo. Maybe a straight half time feel would feel a little more natural. This is one of the heaviest guitar sounds I've ever fucking heard, and I can offer zero advice on how to make it better. Congratulations, I remember about three months ago you had a post in which you were asking about how to improve your guitar sound - I guess you're there, bro. I'll be bookmarking this thread for when I need to try something that sounds like this. Thanks.

Your lyrics just kill me. I have told people in the past when they have asked how they can improve their vocals to just find what they do best and stick to it. You are a great example of that. You deliver the song in an unmistakable Dogman way. Your enunciation is good, and it's not an overbearing cookie monster growl. In fact, it seems to be evolving into a pretty straight ahead spoken word delivery - if you can find the line between an affected growl and a phlegmatic wheezy whiskey rasp you'll have it nailed. It's not terrible, and if you continue to hone it, it will work for you very well. The way I hear it, delivery and word economy are everything. Leonard Cohen and Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan are still capable of raising the hair on the back of my neck with a spot-on delivery. I think Leonard Cohen's style in particular could be an interesting thing for you to study. Keep working at your craft, bro. You're getting results.

Casey, don't know what to say....Thanks man.
What advice do you have for the drums? It is programmed through midi, and I just made up something, and Metalhead28 helped me with some of the aspects of a drummer not being able to hit a snare, 2 Toms, and a cymbal......(I knew that, but never really thought about it... :eek: ). And don't tell anyone, but half the guitar tone is direct. I've been told that you can't get a good tone direct, but to me, my amp doesn't have a decent botton end, so all the bottom end is from a POD. High end is from an old Carvin 2X12, mic'd with an inexpensive Nady mic, but the distortion is still teh POD with the Big Bottom amp.

As far as vocals, I'm not sure what direction to take them in, but SnakeDog needed some vocals to see where his leads should be. I tried to make a more melodic, or complicated tune, but I couldn't get the pieces to fit, so I went for a straight up Verse/ Chorus song. I had many pages of lyrical ideas to play with, but ended up putting this together pretty quick, and then posting it for some help. I might not sing this in the final mix, but who knows.... :D

Again, thanks dude, and I hope you like the final product. It should be interesting, and I am very glad to have not done all this myself. I think once SnakeDog puts some leads to it, and fills in some blanks, it will sound like a real song....
Ed
 
SnakeDog5050 said:
Cool man, I usually hold back for the sake of melody, but not this time. I guarantee... NASTY!!! :D :D :D :D :cool: Haha, I'll try to outdo the clip and fit the song too... we'll see what happens.
Don't hold back.....This needs to be a really fun project. It should be really different. Have as much fun as you can stand.....
 
eighth note crashes or open hi hat just like it is right now.

kick on the one, snare on the five.

"regular speed" would be kick on the one and the five and the snare on the three and the seven.
 
Supercreep said:
eighth note crashes or open hi hat just like it is right now.

kick on the one, snare on the five.

"regular speed" would be kick on the one and the five and the snare on the three and the seven.
Thanks, man. I'm leaving in a few hours, so won't have any equipement for a week. I will work on teh drum part for the chorus when I get back. It was actually hard to play too, because it was so busy, and I was hoping that would motivate me into playing something else, besides what I did. Didn't work. :eek:

Thanks again.
Ed
 
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