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chestwick91
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Whats the difference between tube amps and valve amps?
Outlaws
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chestwick91 said:
Are you American or English?
Codmate
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Um - they're two words for the same thing.
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Richard Monroe
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It's the samme as the difference between an elevator and a lift, a truck and a lorrie, a cop and a bobby. Sometimes we really don't speak the same language.-Richie
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gordone
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Don't forget a line and a queue! 
Richard Monroe said:
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soundchaser59
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a union jack and a jolly roger???
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astoebe
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maybe he means valve state? which means there's a tube for the preamp only i think (correct and explain as necesary)
bongolation
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I think that's correct, but then there's the "Valve Reactor."astoebe said:
I have never heard a cogent explanation of the Vox "Valve Reactor" system, including the official one Vox offers.
What it generally appears to be is a solid-state preamp connected to a miniaturized tube power amp consisting of a "simulated" power transformer and the halves of a 12AX7 dual triode, the output from which is then amplified by a typical solid-state circuit. The idea is to be able to achieve true power-stage tube distortion at any volume.
Beyond this point, the descriptions all crumble into incoherence.
There was a thread about this on alt.guitar a while back. Nobody could figure it out.
gbdweller
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A cigarette and a fag? 
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chestwick91
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Stupid brits
sile2001
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The subway or the tube?
Hmm...the tube...so maybe tube amps are the amps used by those annoying musicians you always see in subway terminals?
Hmm...the tube...so maybe tube amps are the amps used by those annoying musicians you always see in subway terminals?
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ggunn
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No, you guys are all full of it. The term "valve amp" refers to the coal-fired steam powered amplifiers which emerged in Britain in the late 1850's. They held sway until the early 1900's when they were by and large replaced by the predecessor of today's electric guitar, the legendary Gas Guitar. The Talking Heads' song "Burning Down the House" is really about an unfortunate incident involving a gas guitar and David Byrne's great uncle, "Third Degree" Byrne, whence came his nickname.
I wish you guys would learn your history...
I wish you guys would learn your history...
Outlaws
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chestwick91 said:
Exactly.
Its not because of any ValveState thing, the English just like to call tubes Valves.
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soundchaser59
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Is that how it behaves?
To use a water pipe analogy......
If I apply a small amount of force to a "valve" it allows a large amount of (water) current to flow from (supply) collector to (faucet) emitter.....???
something like that.....? something akin to how a transistor behaves.....?? I suppose they think it seems more descriptive of its function than just saying "tube"......
To use a water pipe analogy......
If I apply a small amount of force to a "valve" it allows a large amount of (water) current to flow from (supply) collector to (faucet) emitter.....???
something like that.....? something akin to how a transistor behaves.....?? I suppose they think it seems more descriptive of its function than just saying "tube"......
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astoebe
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right, i know you are saying valves and tubes are the same, but I was simply stating that maybe the original question was supposed to be about valvestate, and answering just in case he was looking for that
rayc
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GGun,
GGood spiel.
But the truth is that the valve amp is actually a way of turning this on at higher pressure. You put a valve amp in your water tap (fawcettfarrer) & as well as reducing hammer is amplifies the amount of water that can run in a given time.
When run at minimum capacity it is referred to a "creeking" when at maximum is at "the river".
David Byrnes grandfather invented it and employed it successfully in the 1896 forest fires around the Gobe desert. When the water pressure was a notch below maximum & the fire was on the verge of being beaten back he was heard to utter the words that went down in Byrne legend & were resurrected on David's 2nd Talking heads LP..."take me to the river" at which time the fires were quenched.
Incidentally the brand of hose, (wax sealed linen - later to be upgraded to canvas) was know as the "tube" and when one applied the amplification effects of the valve (in a "pre" tube setting) to the tube at maximum capacity - then referred to a "gain"ing the best rush - the end result was a sweet gush that sadly remained known only with the Byrne family.
Oh, David's dad was born soon after the Gobe fire, moments in fact & as his mother had actually gone into labour as a result of witnessing her husband's success - he was always referred to as the Bairn baby,Byrne .
& no it wasn't their house that was burnt down. That was Burnette's place - whose son re enacted the event in his mid 80's video clip "Towing the Line" - a less than veilled reference to following his dad around with a roll of "tube" for years after the house blaze "just in case" something untoward might happen again.
Cheers
rayC
GGood spiel.
But the truth is that the valve amp is actually a way of turning this on at higher pressure. You put a valve amp in your water tap (fawcettfarrer) & as well as reducing hammer is amplifies the amount of water that can run in a given time.
When run at minimum capacity it is referred to a "creeking" when at maximum is at "the river".
David Byrnes grandfather invented it and employed it successfully in the 1896 forest fires around the Gobe desert. When the water pressure was a notch below maximum & the fire was on the verge of being beaten back he was heard to utter the words that went down in Byrne legend & were resurrected on David's 2nd Talking heads LP..."take me to the river" at which time the fires were quenched.
Incidentally the brand of hose, (wax sealed linen - later to be upgraded to canvas) was know as the "tube" and when one applied the amplification effects of the valve (in a "pre" tube setting) to the tube at maximum capacity - then referred to a "gain"ing the best rush - the end result was a sweet gush that sadly remained known only with the Byrne family.
Oh, David's dad was born soon after the Gobe fire, moments in fact & as his mother had actually gone into labour as a result of witnessing her husband's success - he was always referred to as the Bairn baby,Byrne .
& no it wasn't their house that was burnt down. That was Burnette's place - whose son re enacted the event in his mid 80's video clip "Towing the Line" - a less than veilled reference to following his dad around with a roll of "tube" for years after the house blaze "just in case" something untoward might happen again.
Cheers
rayC
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ggunn
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rayc said:
I'm sorry, but that's just silly.
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choconutjoe
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If you have too much difficulty speaking english then get your own language.Outlaws said:
Outlaws
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choconutjoe said:
I did.
Ya got sumptinz ta say 'bout it? lolz
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boingoman
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soundchaser59 said:
Yes, but simpler than your analogy. Tubes, like valves, turn off and on, controlling the flow of electricity instead of water.
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