Did things a little differently on this one...

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I don't mean to hog the airwaves here, I know I post often. But lately I've been on a roll and every time I finish a tune I say I won't post it here...Then I remember all the great advice I get and tell myself it would be a shame to deprive myself of all the comments I get that end up making my music better because of it....So, I apologise if it seems I'm always posting something new....

I've been on holiday this week and it's amazing how much time it leaves me to make music. I started recording this yesterday and it's already done. I'm not saying it's perfect, just how quick I was able to do it.

I tried a few things differently on this one and need opinions on whether it all works or not.
First of all, I compressed my overheads alot more than usual, so I'm not sure if the high hats sound too squished.
Also, it's the first time I try micing the guit with 2 mics: One dynamic against the grill and one condenser a few feet away. If you hear any phase cancellation let me know.
Lastly, I'm not sure if the bass solo works. I ran my bass through my guitar set up and kept the chain exactly as I would if I was doing a guit solo. Does it work for this tune or is it cheesy sounding???
Any other opinions and advice will be greatly appreciated...thanx

FROZEN
 
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Cool tune man!!!
Nice gutiars I dident hear any phasing at all, I`m no expert in the field but it sounded nice and clean.
the song and preformance reminds me a little of Roger waters\Little wing"Jimi". in the beginning.
But when the rocking starts it takes on a life of its own.
Very heavy indeed.
Especially the brigde before the chorus and the chorus "frozen" is awsome. Pure rock at its best.

so my compliments on a job well done. :)
 
Nice sounds at the start. The intro guitar sounds good. Voice is fine as usual. Bass sounds great. Nice and deep. Drums don't seem to fit quite right. Maybe it's the compression on them. They have lots of bottom end, but the cymbals seem lacking. Not horribly, just a bit subdued. Bass solo is fucking cool!!! Fits well, cuz it doesn't stand out as a bass.....it has great tone. Drums seem to fit the song after the solo. Probably just me. Yep, just relistened to the tune, and I'm too damn lazy to edit my post. Cymbals are a bit more hidden than you usually do, but fit in this tune just fine.
Rami, Cool tune......Read my disclaimer, and have pity on me... :D

Good song. As usual.....
Ed
 
Oh, and RAMI, I think I hate you..... :D

Just kidding of course....
 
I thought the bass tone was very nice. The hats were weak and fizzy, I mean great if that's the sound you want, it's certainly an effect but they didn't sound like hats should IMHO. Everything else was excellent. Lovely track.
 
Thanx for the comments everyone.
Nakatira, cool on the "Jimi" comment. I'm not a guitar player, but I wanted to get a bit of what I hear him do sometimes.

Dogman, now I understand why you always have something nice to say about people's music. You're the perfect audience...drunk!!!

Garry, that's what I was afraid of. The hats are probably a result of overcompressing the overheads. I just wasn't sure if that's what I heard or if that's what I think I heard. I'll take some compression off those suckers. Thanx.

True...XOXOXOXO
 
Wow, you really got a good recording setup going there. Very clean, nice tone on the guitar. Your voice sounds good and clear too, almost like you're somewhere in my room right now playing. There's like 0% noise. When the bass+drums comes in sounds very thick and full on my system, a lot of bass. I like the song too... interesting stuff doing on there. You're definitely getting a thumbs up from the snake this time!
 
Thanx Snakeman...Still working on this mix as I type. Uploading another mix with the overheads hopefully eq'd a bit better. The hats had too much sizzle, I think they're better.
 
I hear the Waters/Hendrix thing going on. Nice precise guitar phrasing. At 1:15 I like the drum/bass communication bringing the rythim section in. I think the distorted guitars could be just a tiny bit louder at 2:02. The HH isn't bothering me. More drum/bass talk at 2:22 and again in a different way at 2:29. Finishing the song with a soft part after another variation on the stops. That's a nice touch, punctuating your music like that.

This isn't the best I've heard you sing - and it's not bad. This is a nitpick. Your pitch is fine, but I think some of the phrasing sounds crowded. I'm not slaggin' on you, so don't take it the wrong way. An example of this is at :45 when you say "the way I feel". It just feels like too many notes to me. The word "feel" is a great opportunity to hold a note.... Again at 1:03 with "name". It sounds to me like the vocals are too busy. If I am not too presumtous, you can sometimes remove a lot of words that in written context seem neccesary.

Hopefully with permission:

Frozen pieces of my heart the winter of my soul
And every high leaves me cold
Nothing really hurts besides everything that's real
Don't want to feel the way I feel
I just can't explain
You don't know my name
I'm frozen

Lying to myself the truth is clear to see
It's so clear it's blinding me
Damned if I embrace the pain and if I turn to stone
Either way I freeze alone
You don't understand
I don't know who I am

CHORUS
So I'll just crawl inside these
Frozen walls of mine
The battle's all inside me
I'm leaving it all behind
Frozen....Frozen

I just can't explain
You don't feel my pain


Again, a nitpick.

Great drumming throughout, you have a very nice meter and punctuate songs appropriately and tastefully. Have you perchance seen A Work in Progress? You sound like you have.

I would love to hear some controlled feedback during the choruses, and perhaps some doubling of the clean guitars.

Good job!

-Casey
 
Casey...thanx alot ,man. I see what you're saying. Lyrics don't have to be like a written story. I dig. And your examples of what you took out are something to think about. Let it breathe a bit. I'm going to try that. Not to defend what I was doing, but just to explain it, I've always liked hearing sentences in songs that are disjointed, and I tried to do that...For example, intead of "Lying to myself/ I know the truth will set me free"...I sang it "Lying to myself I know/ the truth will set me free"....I put the "I know" at the end of the sentence it didn't beloing with instead of at the beginning of the sentence that it does belong with. But you're suggesting that we don't even need "I know", for example...Interesting. I'm going to try what you're talking about.
Thanx alot for taking time to really listen to it the way you would your own song, I really appreciate that.

I've never heard of "A Work in Progress"....What is it??? I can guess that it's a kind of "Making of...." but I never heard of it. Sounds interesting...

Thanx again.
 
AWIP is the Neil Peart "instructional" video in which he shares some really interesting thoughts on constructing drum parts.
 
Cool...I never saw it. Is it pretty available on DVD? Or something I'd have to order?
 
you're such an airwave hogger, rami.

good to hear a rockier tune from ya, after all that weasly rolling stones pop!

i'd put a background arrangement on this one as well, strings maybe?

i like the spaghettiwestern tone of the intro!

Remembering your recent girl problems -> i hear a lot of vulnerability in the vocals. You've captured it.

Good work, as always... :)

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Thanx...I don't put strings in my songs...ever. No strings, no horns, no keyboards....ever. Guitar, bass and drums, baby.

I never thought of the Stones as "pop", cetainly not that song...But to each their own. I find your music to be very "pop", but that's not meant in a negative way. It's "catchy" like Ringo's stuff.

Thanx for the comments.
 
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RAMI said:
Thanx...I don't put strings in my songs...ever. No strings, no horns, no keyboards....ever. Guitar, bass and drums, baby.

I never thought of the Stones as "pop", cetainly not that song...But to each their own. I find your music to be very "pop", but that's not meant in a negative way. It's "catchy" like Ringo's stuff.

Thanx for the comments.
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He he, just said stones are pop to wind you up :D

You know, i didn't mean sid vicious' version of my way is great because it's punk, but because it's an interpretation. Another great great cover: Neil Young's take on Blowin in the wind. Heartbreaking stuff....

Why on earth have you decided never to expand beyond g/b/d/vox....!??! Aren't you aware of the rule that says, "One must always use as many instruments as possible in every recording." ;)


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RAMI said:
Cool...I never saw it. Is it pretty available on DVD? Or something I'd have to order?
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Your local shop might have it, or just get it from Amazon. I'm not sure how much you like RUSH or if you like their later stuff at all: This is Neil's experiences learning how to play trad grip and with a very old school instructor. He takes you through each song on Counterparts and shows how he constructed the beats throughout. The trickier parts get slowed down so you can see what the hell he's doing... But he also takes long asides to explain some of his philosophy on building drum parts and ergonomics and economy of motion. I found it intuitively helpful as an intermediate drummer.

-Casey
 
Thanx Casey...I'll check it out. I am not a huge RUSH fan (I don't dislike them either), but I have to appreciate Neil Peart as a drummer. The dude is beyond awesome. And I love documentaries and behund the scenes stuff. I'll definitely look for it.
 
Great job and a great song. My only suggestions would be a little more high end in the cymbals, and I would like to hear the dirty guitars a little louder. Sounds really good overall though, wouldn't need to change anything if you didn't want to!
 
Thanx Metal. I think I over compensate too much with highs. I know that I've lost about 50% of the highs in one ear and 75% in the other, so whenever I think there's enough high's, I cut them thinking people with normal hearing will hear too much. I think I cut too much, because I often get the comment that my mixes lack a bit of high's. I have to keep that in mind...thanx.
 
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