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Hi, I'm not a guitar player, but do attempt to play on my tunes. My question is about my Yamaha DG STOMP pedal. It has a cab-simulator that gives you a choice of cabs and speaker configurations (British amp, 4X10...American amp 2X12, etc...). I used to use the simulator when I was recording direct into the board from the DG STOMP, but when I started micing my guitar, while still going through the DG STOMP, I was told not to use the simulator since the sound is going through a cabinet now. But I've never been able to figure out why my guitars always had that "buzzy", direct sound since I started using a speaker and micing it. It actually sounds worse and more direct (now that I compare to pre-micing recordings of mine) than it did when it WAS direct.
The other day, just fooling around, I started playing with the cab simulator, and it sounded right. It sounded like it's SUPPOSED to. I'm not saying I had Eddie's tone all of a sudden, but it sounded fat and nice.
So, too late to make a long question short, do you guys that use pedals like the many that are made, do you use the cab simulator even if you're going through a speaker and micing it? thanx
 
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Rami, I've got an old Carvin amp, and I put everything in the middle tone wise, and the amp clean, and had the best tone out of it, using my POD. It still sucks, as it's not very good, but better than just using pedals, and way better than letting the amp drive it. I think if I knew how to tweak the POD better, it might sound better, but for my needs, I have just gone direct, with the amp sim. My amp sounds terrible in my room. If you can get the amp to sound good in the room, you should be able to mic it.
 
I`ve tried the Dg stomp on a few occasions.
It sounded allright, but a little to thin IMHO.

One of my fave setups for recording was my Boss Gx700-Marshall pre-peavy classic 5050- crate cab.
When I used that setup I allways used the amp and cab simulator, and I allways liked the tone I got.
I tried not using it only using effects from the gx700, but the my shiniest moments were with the simulator on

It was very easy to setup and I allways got the sound I wanted with in a few minutes, just putting the 57 in front.

So I say go with the simulator if it rings better in your ear, use it.

What kind of amp do you have? :)
 
Thanx for the info guys...I'll go with the simulator since I know it sounds better that way...My guitar "sound" is really bothering me.
 
DG Stomp direct recording

I used to use the DG Stomp live a few years back, and I did use the speaker simulator to fatten up the tone. It sounded thin otherwise. I don't use it live anymore, but use pedals instead. My son has taken over the DG and he uses it for all his recordings. Here's a link to the songs he's recorded using the DG.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=453803
 
Thanx Texsun. Yes, it does sound thin without the speaker sim. I made the mistake of taking one person's advice as gospel and I thought I CAN'T use the speaker simulator.

Your son has a nice variety of sounds and grooves, by the way, I dug his page alot.
 
Nak, to answer your question, I'm using a Peavey Studio Pro. I just go in the back and use the speaker, 1X12.
Actually, I guess that leads to another question. Dogamn, you said you plug into the Carvin and put all the nobs in the middle, etc...I always assumed by-passing the amp and just using the speaker was the best way to go. But should I be going into the front of the amp from the DG STOMP and using the amp's tone controls? Is it worth a try?
 
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RAMI said:
Nak, to answer your question, I'm using a Peavey Studio Pro. I just go in the back and use the speaker, 1X12.
Actually, I guess that leads to another question. Dogamn, you said you plug into the Carvin and put all the nobs in the middle, etc...I always assumed by-passing the amp and just using the speaker was the best way to go. But should I be going into the front of the amp from the DG STOMP and using the amp's tone controls? Is it worth a try?
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If you can pass teh amp itself, and just use the speakers, that would probably be better than amping the sound again.....if I am making any sense. Kind of like using a pre on a mic, then re-amping it going in will change the sound. My amp is a combo, 2X12, and I'm not sure if I can bypass the amp, and just use the speakers. That could be interesting. I need to play with mine more. My room doesn't help, nor the fact my amp is old, and tired..... :D
 
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I used to use the DG Stomp live a few years back, and I did use the speaker simulator to fatten up the tone. It sounded thin otherwise. I don't use it live anymore, but use pedals instead. My son has taken over the DG and he uses it for all his recordings. Here's a link to the songs he's recorded using the DG.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=453803
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I had a listen to your son, and he is full of creative talent!!! I wish more 15 yr olds would put there time and hearts into creating music. :)
 
Dogman said:
If you can pass teh amp itself, and just use the speakers, that would probably be better than amping the sound again.....if I am making any sense.
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Makes total sense, buddy...At least I got that part right so far.
 
a guitar amp basically conists of a preamp, poweramp, and speakers. preamp drives the power amp and power amp drives the speakers. an effects loop is the insert point between the preamp and poweramp. if your amp has an effects loop, you can bypass the the built in preamp by connecting to the effects loop return (power amp input). the effects loop send is a preamp output. some amps also have a jack labeled as a power amp in, which would serve the same purpose as an effects loop return.

bypassing the amp's preamp would mean that you are running thru at least one less gain stage and all of the eq circuitry, which should improve the clarity of your overall sound and result in lower noise when using the stompbox.

in my experience, the sounds created by amp sim boxes are heavily dependent on the speaker simulation. taking the speaker simulation out of the picture "usually" results in a less realistic guitar amp sound.

if your guitar sound is really bothering you and you can afford it, check out some real amps. you certainly play well enough to take advantage of the sounds that real amps provide.
 
Travis...thanks for bringing up the effects input things. I haven't seen the back of my amp for quite a while, but remember the inputs. I'm going to give that a try myself. :D
 
Thanx Travis...I didn't know I can use the effects loop. Right now I'm going into "Pre-amp IN"...or "Power amp In" I can't remember, but I know it does bypass the amp. I guess my mistake was not using the speaker sim because it's night and day with and without it. Thanx alot.
 
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Thanx Travis...I didn't know I can use the effects loop. Right now I'm going into "Pre-amp IN"...or "Power amp In" I can't remember, but I know it does bypass the amp. I guess my mistake was not using the speaker sim because it's night and day with and without it. Thanx alot.
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the best sound I got with my Gx700 was straight in to the input, I tried going in the back way and through loop, But I got the the punch and the sound, when connecting to the front of the preamp.

I aslo tried going directly from the boss gx700 to my Peavy power amplifier, not to happy with that sound.


In the end I Went up market and got myself a Mesa boogie amp.
We`ve been happily married for 5 years. :)

When I got the mesa, I scraped all effects, and just had the guitar going into the amp, never been happier. :)

good luck, on your quest for the sound :)
 
A Mesa...you bastard! Anyway, I've been working on my so-called sound, and it's definitely helping along with the advice here. I also have learned in the last couple of days how much half an inch matters when placing a mic. I think I'm on the right track. I removed about 10 songs from my page and will re-do them without the buzzy guitars. Thanx alot guys.
 
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