Design/mechanics question about condenser mics

[mshilarious]

There is a 0% chance that newbs will be restricted to the newb forum. It would harm the board so seriously that HR would become like too many other forums that are effectively closed groups that dwindle away to nothing.

I repeat: 0% chance. Let's move on.

 

[darrin_h2000]

There is a 0% chance that newbs will be restricted to the newb forum. It would harm the board so seriously that HR would become like too many other forums that are effectively closed groups that dwindle away to nothing.

I repeat: 0% chance. Let's move on.

That is how it was when I joined.

 

[darrin_h2000]

And your response to the OP was to buy nothing, and go buy time at a studio until he learns about all the really good preamps. ./

No it wasnt...I advised him to buy the studio time with the money because you cannot buy a mic and preamp that isnt completly horrible for his $150...and that was how he was going to get his best results.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

There is a 0% chance that newbs will be restricted to the newb forum. It would harm the board so seriously that HR would become like too many other forums that are effectively closed groups that dwindle away to nothing.

I repeat: 0% chance. Let's move on.

It shouldn't be about newbies being restricted, but newbies (or anyone claiming to be an expert) should be challenged to at least post some examples of their work, or post some credentials, or at the very least, have an older member vouch for them.

It was pretty obvious to most of the members of rec.audio,pro that Mixerman was a "pro"when he joined that forum, despite his anonymity.

 

[mshilarious]

That is how it was when I joined.

It's a very different world than 2001; there's quite a lot of other competition. Besides, no experienced recordist would ever join if forced to post 25 times in the newb board first. And there would be a giant thread on the newb board that would be the newb equivalent of the Rep Point thread.

0%.

 

[mshilarious]

It shouldn't be about newbies being restricted, but newbies (or anyone claiming to be an expert) should be challenged to at least post some examples of their work, or post some credentials, or at the very least, have an older member vouch for them.

Yeah, but then why not for existing members? Sure, we know who they are but newbs don't. Or take XLR, for example. While I prefer requiring credentials, XLR had issues that forced him into anonymity. I don't know what the issue was, but whatever. I wouldn't want to lose him.

I just use Join Date and assume all newbs have no idea what they are talking about until they prove otherwise.

Perhaps we could set some rules about more strictly moderating newb posts, that would seem reasonable to me.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Yeah, but then why not for existing members? Sure, we know who they are but newbs don't. Or take XLR, for example. While I prefer requiring credentials, XLR had issues that forced him into anonymity. I don't know what the issue was, but whatever. I wouldn't want to lose him.

Then you would vouch for him; end of discussion.

 

[darrin_h2000]

Like Harvey said credentials can be checked for the George Massenburgs of the world...we just want to avoid trolls chasing them off...I dont link anyone here to my websites...my IMDb page and my clents pages because I dont want them spamming them.

 

[gecko zzed]

Dude, don't bring that silly fight here. He didn't declare his cheap pre to be the best thing since sliced bread--he declared it to be contextually acceptable (i.e. good bang for the buck) which is exactly the kind of advice a lot of new home recorders are looking for.

Your response to him was to attack a completely different model of preamp, even after he repeatedly pointed out that he didn't even have the one you were bashing.

And your response to the OP was to buy nothing, and go buy time at a studio until he learns about all the really good preamps. That's really lame advice to give to someone new to home recording. It's completely discouraging.

Trust me, I made some nice little recordings with a crappy $50 pre and a cheap MXL mic. Then I replaced 'em. As I got more serious, so did my knowledge, then my gear. But if my only option had been to pay an hourly rate to hang out with the pros at a studio--I'd have quit. That's not home recording!

If you ask me, that kind of advice is exactly what you're trying to shut down newbs for. It's condescending, stifling, and totally contrary to the goals of this community.

It's worthwhile reflecting on the attitude we bring to bear when we frame responses. We all have our own biases, prejudices and other personality quirks. If we allow these to colour our responses, we attract the contrary and hostile responses of all the others who have the opposite biases and prejudices. The objective of this forum is to provide help and assistance, and our responses should do that. We should not use them as a means of promulgating a personal agenda. Sadly, even as I type this, I realise I am doing just that!

I am not in favour of any restriction being placed on newbies. Some are newbies because they are new to the forum, but are highly qualified in their field. Some are newbies because they are just starting out in their recording pursuits. We have to be careful, as WhiteStrat notes, not to be 'condescending' or 'stifling', and not to assume that a high number of posts confers upon us some mystical authority to sit in judgment of others.

 

[mshilarious]

There is a saying, "tough cases make bad law". I don't think it's worthwhile to change the rules for the odd newbie. 99% of newbs get along just fine.

 

[darrin_h2000]

It wouldnt be the worst thing in the world...we would have avoided spamming since that is the reason that starting a thread outside of the Newbies forum being an earned priviledge instead of letting every troll and spammer trash this place with thier stuff they have for sale and links to their sites...etc.

 

[XLR]

...anyone claiming to be an expert) should be challenged to at least post some examples of their work, or post some credentials, or at the very least, have an older member vouch for them.

+1. Should be a rule for anyone claiming to be an expert or giving extensive opinions. Most members do this proudly though. For instance, if I click on Harvey's site I can read a bio with clear credits, and I've heard his work many times posted here. Re being vouched for - I agree... a good thing as long as the "voucher" has heard the "vouchee's" work. What I don't get though is when someone isn't anonymous, claims specifically to be an expert, is very aggressive, yet has no credits or examples of their work anywhere and declines when asked, however nicely. Actually, I got into a bit of a shitstorm recently by challenging over the general principles of this same issue. Well... 'nuff on that.

take XLR, for example. While I prefer requiring credentials, XLR had issues that forced him into anonymity.

Nope. I've usually had a link in my profile to musical work, just don't at the moment. Will again soon. Anyone wanting to know who I am can easily find it in past threads I started, as I've posted a few dozen tunes here with links to my site. And any quoted posts I made in the past when I used my real name as my username (same account as now, changed name) still have that username in them. So no, I'm not trying to be anonymous. There are practical reasons why I, like most members, decided not to use my real name as my username.

 

[mshilarious]

Oh, OK, I thought you had picked up a stalker or something.

I'd rather approach the problem from a positive aspect rather than punishing all newbs, but I don't know what that would be.

 

[XLR]

I'd rather approach the problem from a positive aspect rather than punishing all newbs.

I agree, unless they're claiming to be experts and get aggressive about it.

but I don't know what that would be

I like my pack of wild dogs idea earlier on the page.

 

[darrin_h2000]

I'd rather approach the problem from a positive aspect rather than punishing all newbs, but I don't know what that would be.

Making them earn something isnt punishment...it is more of a test of devotion...they dont let the kids at Karate school wear the black belts on the first day...unless if they are Elvis, I dont think that has ever happened.

It would stop the spamming...ads...and keep the trolls away.

Besides it never kept newbs from posting elsewhere on the board...just starting threads outside of the newbies forum untill they did 50 posts...and the posts had to have enough characters so they couldnt just post one word answers and expect to zoom right up to the minimum post count.