Demo cost?

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I'm considering getting a couple of my songs made into quality demos (for pitching the songs, not pitching me as a singer), what's a good price for something like that?

I don't know a whole lot of people in my area, so I don't want to put up ads or anything and just get random people to reply, and I don't have a band. I suppose I could try a local country band, and just give them some cash, but they may be too busy (especially if they have families and full time jobs) to do something like that.

I've seen some "scam" ads in magazines offering full band demos (sometimes an 8 piece band! Wow!) for something like $200. Something about it smells, though.
 
It would really help if we knew what part of the country you're in, like the nearest big city.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
It would really help if we knew what part of the country you're in, like the nearest big city.

Dallas, TX
 
I'll charge you $200 to record a demo for you (3-4 song demo). It will be at this place http://www.dallassoundlab.com (it will redirect you to their new site). Just pick a studio and contact me if your interested. I can only get 3 hour blocks at a time, sometimes 6 hours. I'll record your first one free to make it total of 5 songs if you want.
 
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Mindset said:
I'll charge you $200 to record a demo for you (3-4 song demo). It will be at this place http://www.dallassoundlab.com (it will redirect you to their new site). Just pick a studio and contact me if your interested. I can only get 3 hour blocks at a time, sometimes 6 hours. I'll record your first one free to make it total of 5 songs if you want.

Honestly, I'd love to. But I don't have a band, so unless there are studio musicians available, I'm unfortunately gonna have to pass...for now.

I'll keep you in mind for the future, though, for sure.
 
It is too hard to offer a cost not knowing what you need. In most large/mid size cities a good demo singer normally costs about $100 per song (since the vocal is soooo important when selling a song - that is one area where you should not cut corners).

Session players can cost from $50 to $100 per song - although you may be able to pay less. Session work has dried up so much that some players will work cheaper. I have a very good knowledge of what players make in the clubs and in sessions in my area and I often talk to a player and say something like - "I know you make $70 for a 4 hour club gig - $50 for a 2 hour session is more than fair". Keep in mind - you can find people ceaper (maybe even for free) but - a good player can hit parts faster than an average player - and when the studio clock is ticking, fast is important. I try to pay by the song, say $50 per song (and have them learn the parts in advance from a scratch demo).

If you plan to use a demo studio, it may be about $25 per hour. So it's best to have the player's rehearse in advance (if possible). I would rather pay guys to rehearse in my basement rather than rehearsh in a studio - and pay $25 per hour to be there. If you have the general parts already recorded - and simply need people to play the parts better than you can - they may be willing to take a CD and learn the parts in advance as part of a flat session fee.

If you find people who you trust and who provide quality performance - do whatever it takes to keep them. I often slip certain singers an extra $20 or $50 here and there to make sure they know I try to treat them right.

When I record songs at my studio I also warn people that it will take longer than they expect. Setting up mics and getting sounds takes time, mixing takes time, etc. I normally anticipate at least 5 hours of studio time per song (I actually allow a total of 10 hours when I budget my own songs).

So as an example:

$125 - 5 hrs studio time at $25
$100 - Vocalist - flat fee for one song
$150 - Guitar, bass & drums - 3 musicians at a flat $50 each for one song
$ 50 - Guitar overdubs

$400 for one song - which may be on the low end (assuming the players know thiere parts, in advance, for no extra charge).

This is why so many people try to learn several instruments and set up home demo studios. The down side to that is the quality of the final product may suufer from whatever limitations each of us (as home recorders/musicians) may have.

I know one song writer who holds down a part time job (in addition to his full time job) just so he can afford the $5,000-$10,000 he spends every year preparing demos (in a good year he recovers about 50% of his costs from publishing deals, etc). He keeps trying - and I believe some day he may get lucky (I do many things for him at discounted rates - so if he does get lucky - maybe, he'll throw me a bone or two).

The ads that suggest a full demo for $200 are indeed normally scams. They often put the same music out over and over (gives us your lyrics and we'll produce a song). When publishers hear the fully "produced" song they can tell immediately that it came from one of these "chop shops" because they's heard the same melody and production dozens of times.

Make sure you think your stuff is good enough to spend money on. Good luck!!!
 
Oh yeah I forgot, your a songwriter huh so you need a band to perform your works. Got cha
 
OK, gotcha. Here's a few inexpensive suggestions:

1. Find a good singer/guitar player and have him record your song at an inexpensive studio. There are a lot of decent low-cost studios here in Dallas. A good singer/player can work, if they're REALLY good. Won't be the same as a great pro demo, but it often works. Figure anywhere from $50 to $100 for the singer AND studio time.

2. Use something like Band-In-A-Box to record all the basic tracks (bass, drums, rhythm gtr, horns, strings, etc.), have somebody add some live guitar leads, and then add vocals. This method fools a lot of people; it can sound very real, depending on the arrangement. Figure on $150 to 200.

3. Find a really reputable Nashville studio (like http://www.javajivestudio.com/) and have Dave Martin do your demo, using top Nashville studio session players, at a fraction of the usual cost. Figure Dave at around 3 or $400, but this is first class, Nashville stuff.
 
The Band In The Box suggestion is a great idea (I can't beleive I didn't think to mention it).

I work with a writer who uses BIAB and then brings a disk to my little demo studio. I trigger various MIDI modules (for better "sounds" than the GM MIDI in BIAB). I add one or two "real" guitar parts and we bring in a good vocalist.

He brought me a good song on disk. I added a bridge and did the arrangment(and received 25% writing credit). We added a good vocal and a "real" guitar part. A publisher picked up the song, put it in a movie (it has since been in two other movies and a televison show).

Now everything this guy sends to publishers is basically BIAB with a good vocalist and perhaps real guitar. He has not had the same success with the follow-up material - but he sure saves a ton o' money on his demos (vs. paying a whole band).
 
sorry, not too be mean (I havent read all the previus posts's) but My advice is gaing to some clubs/bars/whatever make alot of friends, musically telented or not, and form a temp. working band, have people to call up that enjoy thier instroment and are willing to play what you tell them too. you'll get alot more personal that way with the music, becouse your more personal with the people playing it, I personally could sugest some people, but you'll have to come to Can ont, which I doupt is any good for you :rolleyes:

anyway, hope this helps

Nick_Black
 
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