Delta drivers must have been made by ammatures!

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i don't have any driver problems with my 1010 and Xp..it runs smooth.. quick easy install..i'm using 5.10.00.0027
 
No, it was definatly the drivers. And not having an installer is just plain stupid. And no it's not that hard, but when your computer doesn't detect the card it gets harder.

But the problem is all sorted out, thanks for all of your help.

I've never had a problem with installing hardware before so it just pissed me off.
 
Actually, having an installer for drivers has historically been somewhat of a rarity. I still wouldn't call it the norm, although it's getting more and more popular. The most common way of installing drivers is to unpack them to a folder, then point windows to the inf file in that folder.

The hardware detection issue is purely Windows XP. Somehow they managed to bloat the process up to the point where it takes so long you want to pull your hair out. What could have taken 2 minutes on 2K takes 5-10 minutes on XP.

You are right in that the m-Audio guys can be dipshits. It took them months to believe bdemenil and I about the WDM issue, even though we both had web pages dedicated to the issue, complete with PICTURES. :)

Slackmaster 2000
 
It took them months to believe bdemenil and I about the WDM issue, even though we both had web pages dedicated to the issue, complete with PICTURES.
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Was that the deal with running two 1010s?...and if so, has that been resolved?
 
Slackmaster2K said:
Actually, having an installer for drivers has historically been somewhat of a rarity.
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Having used computers EXTENSIVLY for about 8 years now i would say that it is the other way around. But this is my first time installing pro audio stuff so maybe it's common with this type of hardware? I suppose with most of the more mainstream consumer products the easy of instalation is more of an issue, hence them 99 percent of the time having installers.
 
Having spent that past 15 years eating, sleeping, and breathing computers, both personally and professionally, I'm tellin ya that setup programs for drivers have historically been few & far between. As I said it is changing, although it's not rare for a setup program to not work as expected (hence the wide array of "driver uninstaller" programs out there).

Installing drivers via the device manager or windows hardware detection is something that you should familiarize yourself with. A lot of drivers simply come as a zip archive or exe zip archive with no setup program.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Well i have done it before, and it wasn't the actual act of doing it manually that was giving me problems, it was the drivers not working and the card not being detected. But with that all being said it's fixed now.

Yea i suppose that before i was into computers everything would have been manual. But for as long as i can remember it's been standard practice to have installers. But you say you've been eating and sleeping computers so i'm guessing it's your job to work with them, so you probably deal with a lot more high end stuff and less comon/mainstream equipment which probably doesn't focus on the user friendly side of things too much.
 
I installed the XP drivers for my Delta 66 in a few minutes. It was easy and they work just fine.
 
Yes, it should be easy. I think the drivers don't use an installer to keep the file size down. I have noticed that XP can be very slow bringing up the hardware found wizard and this can give the opportunity to attempt a double install. If you screw it up, you can end up with Windows thinking it has 2 cards. This can appear to work as the driver does support more than one delta card. In the event of a messed up install, use the delta uninstaller utility before attempting to install anew.
Check the m-audio/midiman site and find the latest drivers that will suit your system. You will have to tick the Beta check box to see all of them.
I don't think M-audio have updated any Delta card manuals - no mention of XP. I can only assume they like tech support calls and grumpy customers.
It's been discovered that M-audio drivers are in fact written by a third party - and then probably based on the "reference" drivers of the Via Envy24 chip that all the Delta cards are built around.
However, the similar Terratec and ST-audio products don't seem to have the same troublesome reputation. Maybe they don't sell as many?
I had a look at the Envy24 chip specs on the Via site a while back. It actually has a wavetable midi synth built in. I wonder why M-audio haven't used it?
 
ambi said:
No, it was definatly the drivers. And not having an installer is just plain stupid. And no it's not that hard, but when your computer doesn't detect the card it gets harder.
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ambi... if the computer isn't detecting the card, the problem is NOT the drivers...
 
Yea well i meann't it was the computer and not the fact that i wasn't installing them incorrectly.

But you're right, it was the computer not the soundcard. But i got it working i'm just trying to get across the point that i'm not a retard!

I suppose it is usually very easy when it works, and i guess his computer just had issues. And i was only there for like 10-15 minutes and i was really pissed off that it didn't work because i thought that of all the audio cards that this one should be the most likely to work. But yea it's not that hard to do, just when problems come up it gets a bit more complicated.
 
Heh... a little bit off-topic,but

How I get rid M-Audio icon on systray, I have uninstalled
my Delta Dio 2496 two weeks ago, but still then and now there's
old M-Audio icon standing there... damned!

To the topic, never have had problems with Delta Drivers,
neither in Win 98 and XP. They updating drivers regularly,
and were one of the firsts with working XP drivers!
They are good cards, thumbs up for M-Audio.

But now I have Echo Mia and I´m very satisfied,
good drivers etc.
 
mace, download the Delta Uninstaller from the m-Audio website. That should take care of any leftovers.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Yup, but no icon!

Slackmaster2K said:
mace, download the Delta Uninstaller from the m-Audio website. That should take care of any leftovers.

Slackmaster 2000
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In fact, when I uninstalled Delta Dio two weeks ago
I used this uninstaller, but Icon is still there!
 
Installed my Audiophile 2496 without a problem using Win 2K. That's cool you got it worked out though. I basically had to install the drivers manually for my soundcard though as the new hardware wizard was somehow pointing to what appeared to be the wrong drivers (it pointed to the XP folder). So I manually browsed the disk (which was laid out quite easily might I add) and found the drivers for Win 2K.
 
OK...wtf is this....When I boot up now I get this..."Unable to add tray icon, sorry, we're hosed now!"...and it refers to m-audio!!!

Any ideas???

Everything still works but wtf is with that?
 
Not that it really matters, but ditto with what Slackmaster says. Applications and programs typically have installer programs, drivers usually do not.

Obviously there are exceptions. ATI puts out a nice install CD that has every driver for every video card it makes, and an installer program that automaticly figures out which card you have.

More typical is that Windows will detect a new piece of hardware, check to see if it matches anything in its driver database (which in XP is HUGE) and then if it does not find a match it will prompt for a driver file location. If you downloaded the driver from the net, it will often have to be de-compressed first.

So the more significant question is - why didn't XP detect the presence of your card, even it would not have know what it was - because of the card being too new or too rare to be its driver database. In the case of my own Audiophile 2496, both Win 98 and Win XP detected it as a new card, and prompted for a driver file.
 
Well in my computer the via 4in1, the sound card, the video card, the dvd drive, the burner, my joystick, my game pad, my steering wheel, everything had installers. I've very rarely seen drivers without installers, maybe it's just my choice of hardware?

All the peoples computers that i've fixed on the side had installers for their drivers, maybe just another coincidence?

I wouldn't doubt that you guys know a shit load more about computers than me but i don't believe that most drivers don't come with installers simply because i've never experienced that.
 
I'm getting the same problem with XP - I installed the delta 44 (I uninstalled my soundblaster first, but didn't take it out of the machine), installed the up to date XP drivers from the website, but there's no sound. When I try to record bass guitar, the volume levels for that channel rise up & down normally in the Delta Control Panel mixer, but with no volume from the speakers (I am using my PC's speaker's for now, before I attach my monitors to the outs' of the break out box).

How did you sort out your problems with the delta & XP? I've emailed the support twice, but with no answer.
 
ambi said:
Well in my computer the via 4in1, the sound card, the video card, the dvd drive, the burner, my joystick, my game pad, my steering wheel, everything had installers. I've very rarely seen drivers without installers, maybe it's just my choice of hardware?

All the peoples computers that i've fixed on the side had installers for their drivers, maybe just another coincidence?

I wouldn't doubt that you guys know a shit load more about computers than me but i don't believe that most drivers don't come with installers simply because i've never experienced that.
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I guess you never installed a Sound Blaster Card in the NT 4.0 days...
 
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