Delta 1010

[Teacher]

Thanks, you all have been a big help. So, Teacher, if I run a Lynxx two in two out would I have to have a digital board to record a whole band at once? Or would i just be able to get two in at one recording? This is still puzzling me. Can different software programs be mixed together on my computer to record and edit with, and if so is there some way they have to match to run together. I know there's other forums on the bbs, but I got ya'll here, so I thought maybe I could get better info., if not what? Thanks again for all your time and help. Ralph
Merry Christmas

if you wanted to record more then 2 ins and outs you either need the adat or aes interface with the lynxtwo or simply get one of the lynx configs that have more ins and outs....to get 8 in and out would cost approximately 2gees way more then a delta but waaayyyyy better....

like i said if you can't hear the difference your either doing something wrong...your monitoring thru computer speakers, your deaf, or you are not built to be an engineer at any level...

 

[LemonTree]

Teacher........

will I notice a diference listening through my Delta 1010, or should I buy and instal a lynxx card first? I think what was being pointed out here that bang for buck the 1010 shits all over the lynxx card.

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Alec

 

[Teacher]

Teacher........

will I notice a diference listening through my Delta 1010, or should I buy and instal a lynxx card first? I think what was being pointed out here that bang for buck the 1010 shits all over the lynxx card.

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Alec

i used my onboard sound card and i heard the difference thru my samson serva 240 yorkville monitors in a basement thats an acoustic nightmare

Delta bang for buck shits on it? the sound blaster live bang for buck shits on both so whats your point?...

my point is when using the lynxtwo you get superior A/D and superior D/A which is even more important when your mixing in the box so you can hear what your doing...when i changed from lynxtwo from a delta 66 EVERYONE(i'm not talking golden eared snobs either) heard a DRAMATIC improvement in the tracks and especially the mixes...

 

[CyanJaguar]

to all you non believers who think the delta 1010 is the end all be all of converters and the lynx2 is a small step up check this out


http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=98276&perpage=25&highlight=Just got a Lynx&pagenumber=2

i'm not sure if the audio files are still up but everyone heard a noticeable difference between the 2...if the files are still up and u listen and don't hear a difference you need to get into another line or work/hobby...YMMV

So your point is that audio enthusiasts hear a difference?

This is about making music, not about judging audio minutae.

The people who listen to twyla's songs on radio or pc or cd or whatever will NEVER hear a difference. The only people who will ever hear a difference are the audio wannabes like us, and even then we ultimately care about the song more than we care about the sound.

I firmly believe that it is bad advice to get a 2 channel card. I lived with a 2 channel lucid and it gets very frustrating when you have to keep changing inputs.

Twyla and Teacher, trust me on this one. The 8 ins will give you more than enough inputs, and the sound quality of the delta 1010 is so good that you will not need more until you get your multi million dollar deal.

 

[CyanJaguar]

..to get 8 in and out would cost approximately 2gees way more then a delta but waaayyyyy better....

like i said if you can't hear the difference your either doing something wrong...your monitoring thru computer speakers, your deaf, or you are not built to be an engineer at any level...

2 GRAND ?!?

I want to puke. with 2 grand, you can buy 4 delta 1010 cards with a total of 32 analog inputs and 32 analog outputs, and still have change to buy a computer. Not to talk of the extra 8 spdif channels you get.

If you cant hear the difference, you are not built to be an engineer.

I beg your pardon. How many thousands of hits were actually made with subpar adat converters that wont even compare to either of these units?. Did anyone complain? NO. Its about music not about audio specs.

Maybe you are the type of person who listens to music for the purpose of finding out the converters used. I listen to music for the purpose of melodic enjoyment.

 

[87PRS]

Well some things never change....I've been a professional musician for over thirty years, the first record I ever made was on a 2" 4 trk, and I still get royalties from ASCAP, some in this forum obviously think because a person wants a new medium he is a newby want a be, kinda like my boys "Johnson" guitar, yes he prefers dad's, but my boy can play some chords, he's starting out, point is I can take his cheap guitar and make it sound like something he wants it to sound like (he's still fiddling with it, now if spending $2k on ADA's is going to make me sound "that much better" i guess i don't need any talent to go along with my music. Some of the best songs were recorded and released on 2 tracks, but hey that was along time ago and I'm showing my age, at any rate, I do appreciate all the help, it's just too bad that some one (twyla) just wanted to know what a pres is and we got off on all this stuff. I'm still going with the 1010 (Johnson model haha) Cyan is right, when it's on a CD player, radio, whatever, nobody knows, they just like the music. I'll admit it, I'm not a "professional" engineer, but I can go to a pro studio when I need thousands of dollars worth of microphone preamps and all that stuff. This is Home Studio right? Happy Holidays and peace in His name-Ralph
btw, I been hearing over on the Cakewalk forum that the CEP doesn't do MIDI, is this correct?

 

[joro]

btw, I been hearing over on the Cakewalk forum that the CEP doesn't do MIDI, is this correct?

sort of....

you can incorporate MIDI files in CEP and mix them down with audio tracks...but, you can't MIDI edit them in CEP....Cubase is probably the norm for MIDI editing nowadays....Cakewalk does both but I prefer the post tracking editing abilities of CEP........

and Ralph....yes indeed...talent musically is tantamount to success....and most of the fellows here do record themselves... (like me)....we are not all "professional engineers"....just homerecording enthusiasts.....

Good luck with whatever you choose man,
Joe

 

[MBP2112]

if you wanted to record more then 2 ins and outs you either need the adat or aes interface with the lynxtwo or simply get one of the lynx configs that have more ins and outs....to get 8 in and out would cost approximately 2gees way more then a delta but waaayyyyy better....

Yikes!! $2000 before you buy another single piece of gear?! You call yourself a Marxist? Apparatchik is more like it. Power to the people, man, and all that... The Lynx is a tool of the bourgeoisie!

Two, four, six, eight...
Organize to smash the state!

..ahem... Sorry, got a bit carried away...

Seriously tho, I'm happy with my 1010 for home recording. It's no-muss, no-fuss, works great with Cubase SX and Sound Forge with ASIO drivers, I can go to 32 i/o if I want (going to 16 in a week or two). Thirty-two i/o with lynx would be what, 10K? Like I said...

Yikes!

-Mark P.
Salem, MA

 

[Shakuan]

Yikes!! $2000 before you buy another single piece of gear?! You call yourself a Marxist? Apparatchik is more like it. Power to the people, man, and all that... The Lynx is a tool of the bourgeoisie!

Two, four, six, eight...
Organize to smash the state!

..ahem... Sorry, got a bit carried away...

Seriously tho, I'm happy with my 1010 for home recording. It's no-muss, no-fuss, works great with Cubase SX and Sound Forge with ASIO drivers, I can go to 32 i/o if I want (going to 16 in a week or two). Thirty-two i/o with lynx would be what, 10K? Like I said...

Yikes!

-Mark P.
Salem, MA

Hey I'm really curious as to how come you need 16 i/o. It would really help me if anyone could explain the advantages of having so many inputs and outputs... i mean, what do you do with them?

Cuz right now I'm thinking Lynx (less i/o but better quality), instead of a RME or Delta1010. I'm just trying to figure out what I wont be able to do cuz of only 4 i/o of the lynx2 4/4 for exemple.

I'm sure it sounds really stupid but all that is kinda confusing when you have never seen any recording gear close enough to touch it. It would take me no time to realise all the advantages and disadvantages of 1 card versus the other when playing with it, but I don't feel like buying a card hoping I made the good choice you know. I'm ready to spend big bucks for good stuff, but only if I'm sure it's all I'm ever gonna need.

 

[MBP2112]

Howyadoin,

Well, 8 inputs are taken up by the drums (2 on kick, 1 each on snare, 2 rack toms and floor tom, and 2 overheads). Then figure guitar (in stereo sometimes), bass, keys (in stereo), rough vocal... it adds up pretty quick.

The I/O count you need is dictated by the material and the methodology of the subject being recorded. It can be as simple or as complex as it needs to be. I realize that sounds like a circular statement, so an example:

We're putting together a studio for our original projects. It's also for bands to produce CD demos and DVD videos with 5.1 sound. We're looking to bring in karaoke singers to produce CD's or videos of them doing their favorite tracks as demos for these silly "Idol" contests. We have a project starting up to do spoken-word recording for syndicated audio broadcasts. We've got a lot of different types of material to work with, so everything has to be flexible. Direct outs, patchbays, outboard gear, A/D conversion, playback and monitor mix routing, etc...

I haven't tried the Lynx or RME hardware, so I can't comment on the differences between them and the Delta 1010, but my ears are satisfied with the Delta. We're running the studio on a tight gear budget, so we have to buy smart. If that means getting what someone might consider 90-95% gear instead of 100%, so be it. We are what we are. If I had a trust fund or something, I'd probably go balls-out. That's great for some people. The final reality is that good music is good music. The medium is NOT the message, IMHO.

I suspect a fair amount of the uber-gear home/small studio people are writing big checks for is equivalent to giving a monkey an IBM Selectric typewriter instead of the old Royal manual model.


-Mark P.
Salem, MA

 

[Shakuan]

Oh ok I understand. So basically I can just get less inputs/outputs for better quality and switch the instruments as I please. No big deal, it's a studio for myself and it's a small room so I already know I'm never going to need to record more than 2 ppl at the same time.

so it's pretty much decided that I will go with the lynx2 card but I gotta decide on the 4/4 model or the 6/2 model.

Can you give me more details about how you use the outputs? Like... in what circomstances would 2 outputs not be enough? I mean, I will need to send signal to my headphones so I can record while listenning to the rest of the song... so thats 1 output. What else would require more outputs?

Thanks alot for your help!

p.s.: you must think im an idiot for knowing so little and wanting to buy the lynx2... the thing is... I'm very perfectonnist, and I know for sure that when I start recording, it would pain me to feel that there's not enough space in the mix, or just to hear a little too much noise. With multiple tracks, I know noise can add up pretty fast.

(btw sorry my english is weak)

 

[mrface2112]

well, let's see....i've got a delta 1010 (coexisting with an audiophile 2496 in the same machine for 10 tracks) and i use all 10 when i record my band at practices.

as for the outs, i don't use the outs on the 2496. as for the 1010, 2 of the outs go to my headphone amp. 2 of the outs go to my monitors. 2 of the outs go to a second "home stereo" that i use to see how my mixes translate to that system. that leaves me 2 outs for future expansion, a second headphone amp, etc.

as it is, i'm pushing the limits of those 10 tracks already. i need another 1010, so that i can fully mic the drums and have a couple extra tracks for "guest" musicians. 16 tracks would be nice and 24 would be better. as with most people on a budget, it's just a matter of figuring out which is more mportant right now.


IF all i had to record was myself playing acoustic guitar, i would have looked at a Lynx 2-input unit. that's how i originally started, actually--wanting to record myself.......however, as is usually the case, my goals quickly increased and the need for more channels NOW overwhelmed the need for 2 higher-quality ones. hard to multitrack a band when all you've got is 2 tracks (albeit good ones).....and even so, if you have a Lynx 2, so much for 2 close mics and a room mic on that acoustic (3 tracks).....for now, i'll take the 1010. i'm sure at some point way down the road that'll be upgraded.....but "better converters" are low on the list right now. much higher on the list is an external word clock.


YMMV


wade

 

[Shakuan]

oh shit ok the outputs are all mono!!? so you need 2 outs for a stereo signal.... that clears things up. So basically I would need 4 outs minimum. 2 for my sound system, and 2 for my headphones. That's if I don't feel like switching plugs to use one or the other. Cause in reality, I wont be listenning in the headphones AND in the speakers at the same time.