Delta 1010 or Digi001

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So I'm getting ready to buy a new computer before I go off to college. I wanted to be able to record directly on my computer, so I decided that the Delta 1010 would be good because I have a Soundcraft SX mixer that I can use. But now I started looking at the Digi001 today and it looks very good as well. I potentially want to be able to use all eight inputs simultaneously to record drums and I think both products can handle that. I just want to see how you guys feel about these two products and possibly help me decide which one I should get. Thanks in advance.

Brian
 
I posted a thread about the delta 1010 and the cport dsp2000 and all anyone said to me was go with the delta......no reasons....
 
I would go with the delta, as I know it works well. I havent tried the Digi001, and I havent heard anything bad about it, I am just extremely happy with my Delta 1010.
 
sessionselect said:
I posted a thread about the delta 1010 and the cport dsp2000 and all anyone said to me was go with the delta......no reasons....

the delta sounds better, has better converters, great support...
Bdgr said:
I would go with the delta, as I know it works well. I havent tried the Digi001, and I havent heard anything bad about it, I am just extremely happy with my Delta 1010.

the digi is nice and all but unless you have a mac i'd say go with the delta...i think eith the digi you can only have 24 tracks... but with the delta(and depending on you software) you can have as many as you computer can handle...
i've has as many as 121 trackw/ 45-50 effect/compreeors/Eq with my delta and nuendo..
 
the digi is nice and all but unless you have a mac i'd say go with the delta...
I'd agree with that. I've used PT-Free (it's like the Pro-Tools 8 track Demo without the Digi hardware), and it was horrible on a PC (granted, I'm sure it would be better with the purchased package). I've heard both good & bad about them, but most of the good was from Mac users and most of the bad from PC users. Unless you want to be stuck with ProTools, and can't use DX or VST plugins, go with the Delta. It's tried & true.
 
First off...I have a digi-001 factory.

I have a HP Pavillion 9800.
1.2GH athalon processor
256mb ram
Windows ME

I have never seen a delta 1010.

I am new to the world of computer recording originally being a VS-1680 owner. I started out messing around with the PTFree and even though the software they let you try out is full of bugs and just messed up enough to not work properly...I still really could tell it was good. So I got the digi-001 and it has been running flawlessly on my computer.

To Seanmorse: I dont think being stuck with protools is that bad.
 
MartyMcFly,

No offense intended, mang. PTFree was full of bugs, and I didn't have the proprietary hardware to match - not exactly a fair comparison on my part (and my words "stuck" with protools wasn't very nice either).

That being said, (IMO, and if I understand correctly) PT folk can't use soft-synths, and they can only use TDM plugins, which are very expensive (as awesome as they may be). Also, you can only take advantage of the hardware with ProTools software. No Nuendo, no Cubase, no Sonar, no Native Instruments B4, etc... without being limited by the hardware.

To me, that accounts for a certain amount of inflexibility that I don't think I'd want to work with. If I had the money and time to put together a full-balls studio, I'd probably go with ProTools for the quality, name recognition, and track record. However, I'm just a humble home-rec'er - cost, flexibility, and availability are the biggest factors in my world.
 
my main beef with the digi001, apart from the infamous converters, and horrible implementation of midi, and of course the 24 track limitation,

is that

You CANT use directx plugins with it.

Imagine life without all the free reverbs, or without WAVES plugins
etc.

I wont even be able to use PSP vintagewarmer with the thing.
 
Hey guys...First of all...I am not the guy who posted about PT controls looking like heiroglyphics. Thats what got me hooked on PT to start with.
Before I bought my Digi-001 I tried a bunch of different software programs like "Cubase VST/32" and "Wavelab 3.0" and a couple of others. I found the ProTools to be the easiest to figure out. I have heard people say that they were up and mixing and editing the same night they got their digi-001...Well I think these people are stretching the truth a little. UNLESS Im not as smart as these people. It took me about a week.
But I coulnt figure out Cubase or any of the other programs out there. They all had so many drop down menues. Too Many...you could get lost in there.
I dont record in midi. So I wouldnt know of the digi-001's problems there.
Seanmorse79...I was trying to make it clear in my other post that the PTFree IS full of bugs...but I was saying that I saw enough of what I liked to go out and get the full starter pack(digi-001).
You also said that PT users cant use soft synths...There again another thing that I dont use. But when I got my digi-001 factory I got something called "Dynamo 001edition...The instrument collection" It is from Native Instruments. Like I said...I havent even used it yet but I think they are soft synths...

And NO Im not on the Digidesign payroll...just a satisfied customer.
 
I looked long and hard at just about everything. Gathered all kind of specs etc. I narrowed it down to 001 and Delta 1010. Went with Delta because 001 has limited midi ability, lower specs(how much it means in the real world, I don't know), lower tracks, and you're basically limited to using their software, including plugins. BTW, it uses what Digi calls RTAS plugins, which are considerably lower price and quality than TDM, which it cannot use. TDM is arguably what makes Protools stand out from everything else.

On the plus side for 001 is that it comes with software. Technically, Delta does too, but it's even more limited than Digi 001's software, which I believe is called LT for light. You can take your projects to a pro studio and directly seamlessly(?) import it too their full blown Pro-Tools and use TDM etc. there. Also, 001 comes with 2(?) preamps, although often criticized. Delta has no preamps.

Digi 001 is probably easier to get setup and running, and more complete all in one package, and better than most people will ever notice. They have(used to have anyway) their own pretty complete forum also.

Delta 1010 is higher quality(possibly pro level sound), more expandable, more options, more powerful, but more thought is required to finish up the rest of your system. I have had excellent results the few times I've needed to call support.





If you're really into midi, it's a no-brainer: not 001.
 
ok so i know this delta 1010 is a great soundcard, but no one seems to know about the cport dsp2000. i've read a lot of reviews online and everything is good except the unbalanced inputs. has anyone used the cport or know anything about it?
it's also cheaper than the delta by at least $100. I know it may sound like a lot, but its a big deal to me. I also like how the Cport has 10inputs. 2 balnced and 8 unbalanced.
 
Seanmorse79 said:

I've used PT-Free (it's like the Pro-Tools 8 track Demo without the Digi hardware), and it was horrible on a PC (granted, I'm sure it would be better with the purchased package). I've heard both good & bad about them, but most of the good was from Mac users and most of the bad from PC users. Unless you want to be stuck with ProTools, and can't use DX or VST plugins, go with the Delta. It's tried & true.

I have to second Marty on PT LE (ie, Digi 001 Factory) running just fine on PC. I used to run PT free on my PIII and most of the reactions I got were along the lines of, "You're the only person I know who actually got it to run." Actually recorded with it, too.

It's a bit of a joke among PC-based PT users that PT Free for PC was meant to not SELL Digi systems to PC users, but to scare them off! :)

Didn't work. I'm running mine on a PC and it runs great. Of course, if you buy any Digi 001 product (Factory or no) it's a hybrid product, meaning it has the installs for Mac AND PC.
 
Seanmorse79 said:
That being said, (IMO, and if I understand correctly) PT folk can't use soft-synths, and they can only use TDM plugins, which are very expensive (as awesome as they may be). Also, you can only take advantage of the hardware with ProTools software. No Nuendo, no Cubase, no Sonar, no Native Instruments B4, etc... without being limited by the hardware.

The Digi 001 Factory INCLUDE Native Instruments Soft Synth. Also Bomb Factory Classic compressor and Waves plugs (inlcuding the Q10 EQ). There are tons of plug-ins it works with and no, PT LE users don't buy expensive TDM plugins. They buy RTAS ones, and the third-party ones in that format cost the same as DirectX or VST implementations. Many plugs are available across all three platforms. There is no shortage of high-quality plugs -- including samplers and soft synths if that's your thing -- on the Digi.

Like Marty, I'm not on the Digi payroll (although I did some contract writing there a few years back). I'm only bringing this up because, if Brian's really trying to decide which way to go, he should have the benefit of the facts regarding the Digi.

Brian, I suggest going to Digi's site (www.digidesign.com) and checking out all the third-party plugs available and the product specs, as well as poking around on the DUC BBS board there (under support). There's a lot of info there to help you decide whether Digi products are the right direction for you.
 
Wow, thanks for all your replies. I think at this point I'm still leaning towards the Delta 1010. I tried to look up some more stuff about both products, and it just seems like the Delta edges the digi001 out just by a little. But now I also have another question in terms of compatability and efficiency. I was going to windows xp home, but for some reason on this board, people are very adamant about using xp pro. What are the differences between the two and which would be better for the Delta.

By the way, my system is probably going to look something like this:

ATHLON XP 2100+ 256K 266FSB SOCKET A BOXED
ASUS ATX MBD AMD VIA KT333 SA 5PCI ATA/133 AUD
RADEON 7000 32MB DDR AGP4X 2D/3D VIDADPT
512 MB PC2700 DDRAM
MAXTOR 40GB D740X Q INT ATA/133 HD 8.5MS 3.5LP 7200RPM
PLEXWRITER 40X12X40 CDRW INT EIDE KIT W/SW

So maybe that will help with any explanations. Thanks again.

Brian
 
...I stand corrected. I did happen pick up an EQ magazine last nite, and noticed a slew of Native Instrument soft synth plugins that they've releast for RTAS as a studio pack - the B4, the FM7, etc... live 'n learn, eh?

sessionselect: I use the C-Port DSP2000. I love it - best 400 bucks I ever spent. I haven't used the Delta 1010, but it's reputation preceeds it, and from what I understand, the drivers and compatibility are tip-top. ST-Audio is in Korea, so tech support is done mostly through a BBS like this one. But they're very good at answering questions.

RedHeffer: Sounds like a very capable system. Check motherboard compatibility with any system you bet BEFORE ordering it. It would suck to find out after the fact. XP Pro includes more networking features, and Home includes more multimedia features. Here's a comparison: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp
 
c7sus said:
Hey Marty........... weren't you the guy that posted the thing about the 001 controls all being written in heiroglyphics??? maybe it was somebody else............

I'd pass on the delta myself and get a Layla.

I know. $200 bucks.

BFD.

IF you could do a search here you would find a lot more problems with the Delta cards than with Echo........ IMHO.

I have heard nothing but bad things about the layla, poor driver support, compatability problems etc. I know two differant people who have bought them, and wound up selling them on Ebay because they couldnt get them to work with thier systems...

I have never met anyone who has had any problems with a Delta, however. Just plug it in and it works.
 
Bdgr said:


I have heard nothing but bad things about the layla, poor driver support, compatability problems etc. I know two differant people who have bought them, and wound up selling them on Ebay because they couldnt get them to work with thier systems...

Huh. I used to have a Gina 20-bit card and it worked great on my system, and I know someone who is happily using a 24-bit Layla ... the specs on it DO look great ... were the people you knew using the same kind of machine? Was it that AMD/VIA chipset thing by any chance? I can try to find out what PC setup that Layla guy I know of is running ... also, c7sus, are you using a Layla successfully? If so, maybe tell us what PC setup you're using.
 
geekgurl said:


Huh. I used to have a Gina 20-bit card and it worked great on my system, and I know someone who is happily using a 24-bit Layla ... the specs on it DO look great ... were the people you knew using the same kind of machine? Was it that AMD/VIA chipset thing by any chance? I can try to find out what PC setup that Layla guy I know of is running ... also, c7sus, are you using a Layla successfully? If so, maybe tell us what PC setup you're using.

At least one onf them was using an AMD, which they didnt support at all(I havent checked lately). IN this day and age, not supporting AMD is inexcuseable. I went with a gadget labs myself when I saw that on thier website, and then upgraded to a delta 1010. The delta and the now deceased gadget labs both worked well with amd or intel.
 
I did the same thing you did. I was actually leaning towards a Korg D1600 before I got my Digi. I have recorded Drums live on 8 tracks on numerous occasions on a 128 buffer with my P3 1Gig.

I didn't have high expectations for the sound quality but I have been enthusiastically impressed. I will finish a demo in the next couple of weeks and in August hope to fininsh a CD. I am using some Waves plug-ins and IT ROCKS.

In addition, with the XP upgrade from Digi, you get 32 tracks.

I don't think that the software coming with Cubase will touch the flexibility of Protools even LE for editing. It can be a lifesaver.

Suggestion:
Get the Digi and a little later, when you are comfortable, get a digimax converter and you will have 8 great inputs and 8 decent inputs to record 16 tracks live.

Robert
 
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