Critical desicion: Need advice

[mad flows]

My personal feeling is that you should do a whole lot more of research before you shell out $7,000.-

Seems that at this stage you really dont know what you want or need. I dont want to sound patronizing, but i got this feeling.

Check out rather inexpensive digital mixers (sub 1,000.-) w/ 2 or more ADAT outs and hook them up to multiple Terratecs 88Ds ... this way you can get full 24 digital channels for less than 1,500,-

that would be my advise
b.r.
alfred

then can you please suggest something for a rap recording studio. I want really good sound quality that sounds like dre quality or somthing that sounds like it was mixed in a million dollar studio.

 

[chessrock]

I want really good sound quality that sounds like dre quality or somthing that sounds like it was mixed in a million dollar studio.

How about a request that's a little more realistic? Look, with what you know right now and what you can afford, the best you can really hope for is to be able to produce some demos with decent enough sound quality that won't embarrass you while you hone and refine your tracking/mixing skills.

There are reasons why Dre's stuff sounds as good as it does . . . and only a very small portion of it has to do with the kind of mixing desk used. If you want your stuff to sound like it was mixed at a million dollar studio, then mix it at a million dollar studio . . . or spend a few years interning at a million dollar studio so you can learn how it's done.

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

My personal feeling is that you should do a whole lot more of research before you shell out $7,000.-

Seems that at this stage you really dont know what you want or need. I dont want to sound patronizing, but i got this feeling.

Don't bother trying to talk this noob out of parting with his hard earned cash--he's got that weird affliction called 'I can do it-itis' and thinks that with the right stuff--but no experience or knowledge--he can be making mad beatzz fo' da brothas.

Typical 15 year old attitude. Mouth is writing checks that his wallet and brains can never cash.

 

[Scottgman]

then can you please suggest something for a rap recording studio. I want really good sound quality that sounds like dre quality or somthing that sounds like it was mixed in a million dollar studio.

Maybe we should start at a more basic level. Do you know what a mic preamp is? You will need at least one of those. A big mixing console is going to have 32 or more preamps. If you are only recording a rap vocal over beats, you will probably only need a couple preamps. Start doing some research into preamps by using the search function on this message board.

Preamps have a big influence on whether you get that "high-dollar studio" sound or that "crappy garage band demo" sound. Mics are another big part of the equation. But if you are recording rap vocals, you will probably only need a couple mics to choose from.

After you have the mic and preamp thing figured out, then you need some way to record the signals coming from the mics and preamps. As you might guess, there are lots of options. The easiest and probably most popular method (among the home recording crowd) is recording digitally into your computer. But to do this you need a fast computer and a special sound card designed for recording. The sound card will come will some type of interface to allow you to connect cables from the mic preamp into the computer. Then the music gets recorded onto the hard drive in your computer. You will want a sound card with high-quality A/D converters to acheive that "high-dollar studio" sound. You will also need some type of software to multitrack/mix/edit etc.

That's just the basics. There are also tons of other things you may want/need like compressors, EQs, reverb units, effects processors, mic stands, pop filters, cables, CD burners, monitors, headphones, headphone amps, etc. And then if you want to create beats, you need all kinds of additional stuff that I know nothing about.

As you can see, there is lots of stuff to consider. I haven't even touched on the whole "knowing what the hell you are doing" factor-- which is the most important. So, before you go wasting a couple thousand dollars on a mixing console that you don't need, you may want to do some more research into what you will need and why.

 

[mad flows]

Don't bother trying to talk this noob out of parting with his hard earned cash--he's got that weird affliction called 'I can do it-itis' and thinks that with the right stuff--but no experience or knowledge--he can be making mad beatzz fo' da brothas.

Typical 15 year old attitude. Mouth is writing checks that his wallet and brains can never cash.

Whatever cloney. first of all i already make hard ass beats that people are buyin, that's how i'm buying equipment so it's not just me being cocky i have a buzz in my town already. second of all i never said i could make quality stuff with good gear and no experience, i know i need experience, that's one of the reasons i'm here trying to gain knoledge. and lastly the fact that you would try to put me on blast for the problem we had in another forum shows your immaturity. you don't see me postin cloneboy is a hoe don't talk to him his idiotic brain will never understand what your saying. do you. if you say yes then you must really be a complete idiot.

 

[chessrock]

I think Mad Flows is . . . mad.

 

[mad flows]

damn right lol

 

[AlfredB]

then can you please suggest something for a rap recording studio. I want really good sound quality that sounds like dre quality or somthing that sounds like it was mixed in a million dollar studio.

as i mentioned ... digital mixer, cheap adat cards, OR ... as you mention rap ... you might go really cheap and get a ADA8000 and the Terratec adat card ... and a decent mic ... reason 2.5, the whole shebang... and spend a couple of 100 bucks in "recording" workshops.

Lets face it, this cheap stuff that i mention above is WAY SUPERIOR to - say - the equipment that Dire Strait used to record brothers in arms in `86...

you just need to get as good as the sound ingeneer that worked for Dire Strait

honestly, assuming you are pretty much a newbie in recording (so am i) a 7k studio will NOT sound better under your hands than a 1k studio.

nuff said

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

Whatever cloney. first of all i already make hard ass beats that people are buyin, that's how i'm buying equipment so it's not just me being cocky i have a buzz in my town already. second of all i never said i could make quality stuff with good gear and no experience, i know i need experience, that's one of the reasons i'm here trying to gain knoledge. and lastly the fact that you would try to put me on blast for the problem we had in another forum shows your immaturity. you don't see me postin cloneboy is a hoe don't talk to him his idiotic brain will never understand what your saying. do you. if you say yes then you must really be a complete idiot.

Wow... makin' fly beatz eh? Pretty dope my homeslice! Getting that mad buzz in hizzouse wizzouw!

Here's a hint, because I work with rappers all the time and not one of them qualifies as a musician--learn to play an instrument. It will give you the MUSICAL basis required to make music. Not just 'hard ass' beats and some mumbly stupid rhymes about poppin' caps, platinum grills and your def ride (even though half these guys get dropped off at the studio by their mommies).

Rap... hahahhahahha..... what a joke.

If you wanna be a man pick up a guitar.

 

[mad flows]

Wow... makin' fly beatz eh? Pretty dope my homeslice! Getting that mad buzz in hizzouse wizzouw!

Here's a hint, because I work with rappers all the time and not one of them qualifies as a musician--learn to play an instrument. It will give you the MUSICAL basis required to make music. Not just 'hard ass' beats and some mumbly stupid rhymes about poppin' caps, platinum grills and your def ride (even though half these guys get dropped off at the studio by their mommies).

Rap... hahahhahahha..... what a joke.

If you wanna be a man pick up a guitar.

That would really be effective if you were talking to any rapper. but me i do play guitar, bass and steel drums. so now what? oh yeah you talk about rap so what you do that satanic worship music. oh like i said before, computer talk is cheap come down to my townand get that ass beat. Muthaf**kin punk @$$ B**ch.

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

That would really be effective if you were talking to any rapper. but me i do play guitar, bass and steel drums. so now what? oh yeah you talk about rap so what you do that satanic worship music. oh like i said before, computer talk is cheap come down to my townand get that ass beat. Muthaf**kin punk @$$ B**ch.

ROFL

Wow, you must be the toughest wegro in yo' suburb eh? I bet all the 7th and 8th graders are scared of your mad squabblin' skillz. Yo homoey, are you on the forilla tip?

Maybe you should spend more time learning about recording and less time pretending to be tough, black and from the 'hood'.

Say hi to your mom and pops for me sonny.

 

[B.C.Johnson]

That would really be effective if you were talking to any rapper. but me i do play guitar, bass and steel drums. so now what? oh yeah you talk about rap so what you do that satanic worship music. oh like i said before, computer talk is cheap come down to my townand get that ass beat. Muthaf**kin punk @$$ B**ch.

What an eloquent declaration.

 

[mad flows]

ROFL

Wow, you must be the toughest wegro in yo' suburb eh? I bet all the 7th and 8th graders are scared of your mad squabblin' skillz. Yo homoey, are you on the forilla tip?

Maybe you should spend more time learning about recording and less time pretending to be tough, black and from the 'hood'.

Say hi to your mom and pops for me sonny.

Actually I am black and i didn't know living in the the Lbc was living in the suburbs, and i didn't know gunshots rang out evey night in the suburbs, oh and i defantly didn't know the helecopters flying over my block everynight happed in the suburbs. if that's your definition of the suburbs then what's the hood. oh and if this is the suburbs why don't you come out here and get beat the f**ck down Boy. and squabin, ooh were did you look a hip hop dictionary, you oldschool muthafu**ca

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

Actually I am black and i didn't know living in the the Lbc was living in the suburbs, and i didn't know gunshots rang out evey night in the suburbs, oh and i defantly didn't know the helecopters flying over my block everynight happed in the suburbs. if that's your definition of the suburbs then what's the hood. oh and if this is the suburbs why don't you come out here and get beat the f**ck down Boy. and squabin, ooh were did you look a hip hop dictionary, you oldschool muthafu**ca

Whatever whitebread.

 

[AlfredB]

I take it that an educated discussion about the pros and cons of ADAT cards is not likely to take place anytime soon



... and why does everybody like their mums so much ????