Cracked Software...

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shackrock said:
although i may agree, some of these arguments seem kinda rediculous. haha.
first off, who gets stats and facts like these, and how right can they really be?
beyond that, if they really are very accurate figures, etc. - I bet that most of the people who pirated any software would NOT have gone out and bought it. So, those "lost jobs" and "lost money" really would STILL be lost. All that seems to be happening is that people use the software without paying. Not that they would ever pay if the software was not available illegally...you feel me?
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Yup I get what your saying. There is no way to say whether anyone would have bought the software or not, but they would have to buy something if they wanted to record, wouldn't they ?

Edit - Oh yeah, these stats would also apply for all the people that never bought a copy of Windows to run the cracked software on, Nero to burn the cracked software with, etc etc....

So again, I think the argument of they wouldn't buy it anyway, is not really true in all cases.....
 
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Sedstar's convoluted logic is that you're either completely honest about everything or else it's ok to lie your ass off and steal anything you feel like until the police start showing up at your door.

His assumption that everyone who's honest spends all their time reading the bible and masturbating kind of makes you wonder about how he spends his days, huh? Seems a little overly concerned with cheating spouses too. Apparently his wife/gf has a fat ass as well!

It would seem his concept of right and wrong is solely based on whether an action will get his ass kicked or not. Deep thinker.

We all tell lies sometimes. That doesn't equate with stealing.

It doesn't matter how big anyone's yacht is. It doesn't matter how much any of these companies are making. It's just simply wrong to take what isn't yours. Property rights are among the most basic rights this country was founded on.

Gee, so you were one of the "cool" kids, huh? I've never been more glad that I didn't hang out with them than I am at this moment!

Ted
 
Some folks go thru life without paying letting other folks pay. How clever. You'll pay sooner or later - just don't get in my face bragging about using your free cracks you didn't pay for while you let me pay for you - it drives my price up and simply isn't fair or acceptable in my world. Very simple.

Any forum should have a sticky with names of all the clever crack braggarts. If you don't want to buy the software - write it yourself, maybe I'll buy it someday.
 
lpdeluxe said:
Well, the issue as he has presented it is that you are a cool dude until you get caught, at which point you become a criminal. I'll have to give that one some thought.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
I seem to recall in psych 101a during my undergraduate years, we learned about Lawrence Kohlberg and his theory of moral development. As I recall, there is a stage that most mature adults hopefully arrive at where you don't do something because you know it's wrong, not because you might get caught.

Not doing something, or viewing something as 'wrong' because you might (or did) get caught is more indicative of an immature, adolescent or possibly antisocial/'borderline' personality structure, as my understanding of his theory goes.
 
Thom IV said:
As I recall, there is a stage that most mature adults hopefully arrive at where you don't do something because you know it's wrong, not because you might get caught.
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L.(aughing)

O.(ut)

L.(oud)
 
hey can you send me cracked version of somthin that i can make beats with, and also maybe record voice in it to
 
gd6 said:
hey can you send me cracked version of somthin that i can make beats with, and also maybe record voice in it to
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In some cases a dishpan and a pocket tape recorder will suffice more readily... than a few hundred dollars worth of " over your head, non-supported, cracked software". And really flattens out the learning curve..



:rolleyes:
 
Wow... wow... wow... [at last post]
[EDIT: It's two posts above now...]

That almost proves the point...


But not completely... there are plenty of people who produce fine music with illegal copies of software... Just because you got it illegally doesn't mean anything when it comes to using a piece of software.

I too agree that it sucks when companies don't allow you to try out software before you buy it. You really don't know what you're getting into.

The next piece of software on my list is Apple Logic Express 7. Logic Pro would be awesome but it's just too expensive. I've read a good deal about it and it seems like it would be just right for me. I've been using Deck for years but there are a few things I haven't been happy with--mostly plugin support.
 
Quite a few years ago I read a story, an interview with "Dark Avenger". He openly reflected that design and release of a virus was to wake people up to the fact that a computer is a specific and personal tool and the operating software should be used accordingly with great scrutiny placed on security, introduction or exchange of alien software. It nor the internet was meant to be a community swap meet for piracy of operating software, and conditions were already in the process of proving his point. I thought he was blowing smoke and ego pumpin himself because he was the most sought after frontier leader in computer viruses.
I learned my lesson the hard way from many installs of operating systems and loss of data that was very important to me. I'm a lil older now and tend to think he was right, enough to notice that multibillion dollar antivirus industries have flourished due to the lack of respect for one`s own tools, and the exploits of those that participate in piracy. All things come full circle eventually.
This is not Sherwood Forrest, Robin Hood.
 
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gd6 said:
hey can you send me cracked version of somthin that i can make beats with, and also maybe record voice in it to
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You absolutely, positively, without-a-doubt, MUST be joking, right?
 
Massive Master said:
You absolutely, positively, without-a-doubt, MUST be joking, right?
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I don't think It's joking...It wants something! :eek:
 
gd6 said:
hey can you send me cracked version of somthin that i can make beats with, and also maybe record voice in it to
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I got an old cracked plastic bucket in the back yard and your in luck theres some sticks back there too.

You can make beats on it all day long....

Sorry I haven't found anything laying around that you can record your voice into. Maybe someone will donate you a cracked version of a boom box with a tape recorder on it. :rolleyes: :D :cool:
 
You can make beats on it all day long....

LOL

The best post yet.
 
....i was one of those kids who was proud to crack software....no matter what it was. however now i just find it easier to buy the damn thing. cracking it takes more time now lol. I must be an A.D.D. late bloomer or something but i dont have the interest or patience to do it anymore. plus, having a bunch of software boxes on the bookcase looks kinda respectable ya know?
 
Quite a few years ago I read a story, an interview with "Dark Avenger". He openly reflected that design and release of a virus was to wake people up to the fact that a computer is a specific and personal tool and the operating software should be used accordingly with great scrutiny placed on security, introduction or exchange of alien software. It nor the internet was meant to be a community swap meet for piracy of operating software, and conditions were already in the process of proving his point. I thought he was blowing smoke and ego pumpin himself because he was the most sought after frontier leader in computer viruses.
I learned my lesson the hard way from many installs of operating systems and loss of data that was very important to me. I'm a lil older now and tend to think he was right, enough to notice that multibillion dollar antivirus industries have flourished due to the lack of respect for one`s own tools, and the exploits of those that participate in piracy. All things come full circle eventually.
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He blew smoke enough into your eyes and I don't know what he was smoking.... Having to re-install your OS and loose data has more to do with how well you tend your pc than with anything else. Learn your tools before you use them! If they let you work on a high powered metal cutting tool, you loose your fingers (or worse) if you don't first learn how to work with it. With a pc you loose your time and data. Just the same, but people still think they can switch it on, do whatever they please and then suppose the pc will -as by some miracle- sense what they want to achieve and do just that.

I must say that threads like these are always great reading. Every opinion is in them, ranging from mock "holier than you" to "the quest for true art isn't to be stopped" etc. Only thing missing is how mac and pc stand in this...

If you don't want to buy the software - write it yourself, maybe I'll buy it someday.
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I like that one. What if I would give it away, would you still want to use it?
 
Your opinion is of as much value as mine, the next, or the previous. It all feeds history. I am not of the "holier than thou, or the revolutionaries of Art" factions. Just a dude with quite a bit of mileage down several roads, certainly no Saint.
Very true,that tending the PC is of course paramount. The issue of pirated software and what suprises can be sprung is happenstance, and may or may not happen to you if you participate. Were you were using PC`s in the 80`s when DOSX and Fdisk exploits were riding in applications, awaiting a download and execution? The expense and stress that comes with the many exploits today should act as a deterrent for most, especially the innocent, from getting software that doesnt have a known history. And I feel that using any software for commercial enterprise that was not purchased by strictly legal methods is wrong. It like me stealing some of your tools and opening a repair shop down the street and doing some of your customers. Using a PC is as common today as spray&wipe cleaners and it takes little knowledge of the internal workings to be proficient at moving data from one site to another, but how many screw something up by not fully understanding all the implications of what they are doing and how they are going to manage them?

I unfortunately became familiar with DA back in the late 80`s and with some of the variants of the code in the early 90`s.
This is an exerpt from another interview

"DA- The users spend much more money on buying such products and their updates rather than on the losses of data damaged because of viruses. The a-v products only help the users to empty their wallets. Besides, viruses would spread much less if the "innocent users" did not steal software, and if they worked a bit more at their workplace, instead of playing games. For example, it is known that the Dark Avenger virus was transported from Europe to the USA via some (stolen) games."
 
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how often do people get caught from cracks...im totally against cracks now i use to be addicted to downloading crack software from kazza or bearshare...i use to download crack software for the thrill of it...at the time i thought it was fun ,i stoped because of the fear of geting caught and i felt real bad about it so i bought all the software afterwards and the real versions work a little better then the cracked. can the software companies track your ass down on the computer or what? im just wondering how often do people get caught from cracks on there computer? isnt there a privacy law now? dont get me wrong cracks are out of my life! Rip Crack Software for me.
 
how often do people get caught from cracks

I have no idea. Apparently you have gotten away from making that the determining factor!

But if you DO download a crack, let's see:

1. You are stealing;
2. You are making yourself more vulnerable to viruses;
3. You can't get upgrades from the developer;
4. You are your own support person, problem solver and troubleshooter, without the manual;
5. You are willing to put up with software that doesn't work the way the REAL thing does;
6. You are a sneak;
7. You get to infest discussion forums like this one and call honest people like me "holier than thou" and other epithets (and you will be right: I AM holier than thou, if thou art a cracker, and don't expect me to apologize);
8. But you get your revenge on me by driving the price of software up.

I guess 8 is enough.
 
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