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Toker41
Better Than You
Could anyone tell me which copyright form should be used for copyrighting songs I right and record? I'm a bit confused between the SR and the PA.
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Dyson Steel
New member
Toker41 said:
SR
This form covers (1) The Sounds on the tape or CD you send in, (2) The Melody structure & (3) the lyrics structure.
But it really depends on how you plan on applying the writings.
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Dyson Steel
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Its going to cost you $30.
So Cover up to 10 to 12 songs with 1 SR form. Its $30 no matter weather its 1 song or 12.
Go to the "library of congress" copyright site, print the form out on line. Fill out a rough copy by long hand. Go back on fill in the blanks on line and print it.
Its more legiable for them and less likely to be challanged in court because of legiability.
Read the info (instructions) carefully.
If you need help I will offer what I can. I have filled out a lot of these and they change in the way they get filled out. The form basically always stays the same though.
I will never ask you for any presonal information, SS#'s or anything like that. I'll just tell you what I did where I did it if that's what you need.
I am in and out of here. Some times all night, sometimes all day, some times not for days at a time. But that's life.
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Its going to cost you $30.
So Cover up to 10 to 12 songs with 1 SR form. Its $30 no matter weather its 1 song or 12.
Go to the "library of congress" copyright site, print the form out on line. Fill out a rough copy by long hand. Go back on fill in the blanks on line and print it.
Its more legiable for them and less likely to be challanged in court because of legiability.
Read the info (instructions) carefully.
If you need help I will offer what I can. I have filled out a lot of these and they change in the way they get filled out. The form basically always stays the same though.
I will never ask you for any presonal information, SS#'s or anything like that. I'll just tell you what I did where I did it if that's what you need.
I am in and out of here. Some times all night, sometimes all day, some times not for days at a time. But that's life.
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leavings
Member
You should verify that your material really needs copyright protection. I don't remember the precise details, but copyright law was adapted about 10 or 20 years ago so that rights are automatically extended to the author of a creative work without necessitating formal documentation. However, it requires some sort of proof of origin. Can anyone expound on this?
If you're thinking about going pro with your work then it's worth the $30 to cover yourself. If not, perhaps you don't need to fill out the forms. Check it out.
Peter
If you're thinking about going pro with your work then it's worth the $30 to cover yourself. If not, perhaps you don't need to fill out the forms. Check it out.
Peter
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Toker41
Better Than You
I want to copyright the song so that the song belongs to me, not so much the recording of the song, but the song itself. I would own the song, and no one could record or use any part of it without my approval. I believe that is the PA form.
Then, I then want to copyright the actual recording of the song so that no one can play, sell or anything else with the actual recording I did without permission. I believe that is the SR form.
Is this correct?
Then, I then want to copyright the actual recording of the song so that no one can play, sell or anything else with the actual recording I did without permission. I believe that is the SR form.
Is this correct?
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Dyson Steel
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Toker41 said:
The SR Form covers it.
The PA form is like if you went to a theater and played music to spoken word then this is the form you would want.
If you are going to use it in a movie you would contact the harry fox agency for sync rights forms.
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Toonsmith
New member
Go to www.copyright.gov and download each form from the website. I keep both forms right in my computer using my Adobe Reader.
Basically the difference between the two is a PA is for the underlining work, such as sheet music. It is meant to be preformed directly to an audience.
A SR form is the actual sound recording of the work. It soesn't matter if it's CD tape, record or even wax cylinder. You can also register both at the same time using the SR form.
Check out the website. It has all the information that you need.
Basically the difference between the two is a PA is for the underlining work, such as sheet music. It is meant to be preformed directly to an audience.
A SR form is the actual sound recording of the work. It soesn't matter if it's CD tape, record or even wax cylinder. You can also register both at the same time using the SR form.
Check out the website. It has all the information that you need.
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Toker41
Better Than You
It was the copyright site that confused me in the first place. Started there, then came here.
....still confused.
...Which form means I own the song in every way, shape, and form??
....still confused.
...Which form means I own the song in every way, shape, and form??
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Dyson Steel
New member
SR Form
Either form will show registration has been made of your song.
I always use the SR form. Never had any problems. Neither has my son. He is Published, CD's, Tapes, DVD's, and performs for the public. The SR just covers the creation more completely and in a slightly different manner.
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Toker41 said:
Either form will show registration has been made of your song.
I always use the SR form. Never had any problems. Neither has my son. He is Published, CD's, Tapes, DVD's, and performs for the public. The SR just covers the creation more completely and in a slightly different manner.
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Toonsmith
New member
D Steel is correct. Either will do the job.
But even though you own the rights to the songs that you write, I've heard that once you've recorded your song and put it out for sale, then anyone can come along and record the same song you've written without your permission. Although I believe many people ask first.
All they need to do is pay you the mechanical sync rights. If I'm wrong, maybe someone can clarify this for me. It seems I read that somewhere, I just can't seem to remember where.
But even though you own the rights to the songs that you write, I've heard that once you've recorded your song and put it out for sale, then anyone can come along and record the same song you've written without your permission. Although I believe many people ask first.
All they need to do is pay you the mechanical sync rights. If I'm wrong, maybe someone can clarify this for me. It seems I read that somewhere, I just can't seem to remember where.
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Toker41
Better Than You
Damn, I would hope that isn't true! If this is the case then what it to stop anyone from just taking the songs I publish on my cd that I do myself in my home? This would mean that when I right a song I would have to decide if I want to put out my own cd or sell the song? It would mean I can't do both.
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Dyson Steel
New member
Don't Get Confused!
Toonsmith is right. But don't get up tight cause your whole point is to make some $$$ with your stuff isn't it?
Everylee Brothers : Cathy's Clown, Dolly Parton : Cathy's Clown
The important thing here is if you wrote it, recorded it, registered it then you are covered!
If some yahoo comes along and sings the song. Is it gonna hurt your feelings if that person does it better than you? If it turns out to be that big they are going to have to pay the piper!!!
But you are going to have to get a music lawyer, publisher, & manager involved anyway if the song is that good. And the lawyer will advise you of what you need to do. There are a lot of people that will help you. But there are a lot who will go for the throat also so that is where you will have to use your own judgment.
Manford Man : Blinded By The Light, Bruce Springsteen : Blinded By The Light
Hey, look at it this way: Free Promotion!!!
There are some musicians doing my stuff. I keep tabs and do grant them a license to perform it but request that if they put it on a CD cut that I get my share. If they don't then the amount isn't enough to worry about. If they make it big, I got my Library of congress registrations, Cowboy copyrights and those around me that know me and what I have done.
Good luck with what ever you do.
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Toker41 said:
Toonsmith is right. But don't get up tight cause your whole point is to make some $$$ with your stuff isn't it?
Everylee Brothers : Cathy's Clown, Dolly Parton : Cathy's Clown
The important thing here is if you wrote it, recorded it, registered it then you are covered!
If some yahoo comes along and sings the song. Is it gonna hurt your feelings if that person does it better than you? If it turns out to be that big they are going to have to pay the piper!!!
But you are going to have to get a music lawyer, publisher, & manager involved anyway if the song is that good. And the lawyer will advise you of what you need to do. There are a lot of people that will help you. But there are a lot who will go for the throat also so that is where you will have to use your own judgment.
Manford Man : Blinded By The Light, Bruce Springsteen : Blinded By The Light
Hey, look at it this way: Free Promotion!!!
There are some musicians doing my stuff. I keep tabs and do grant them a license to perform it but request that if they put it on a CD cut that I get my share. If they don't then the amount isn't enough to worry about. If they make it big, I got my Library of congress registrations, Cowboy copyrights and those around me that know me and what I have done.
Good luck with what ever you do.
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Dyson Steel
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Also Toker41 You don't have to publish or release it.
By the way, I just got the last set of copyrights I filed last June back at the end of Dec 2003. They get so much stuff it takes a while now.
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Also Toker41 You don't have to publish or release it.
By the way, I just got the last set of copyrights I filed last June back at the end of Dec 2003. They get so much stuff it takes a while now.
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Toonsmith
New member
Yeah, it's great!
If someone else records your song, for every CD or tape they produce they owe you 8.5 cents for the mechanical licence. Not bad for not having to do anything. Just sit back and rack in the money.
Plus you get instant exposure of yourself and your music. Not bad for just owning the copyrights.
If someone else records your song, for every CD or tape they produce they owe you 8.5 cents for the mechanical licence. Not bad for not having to do anything. Just sit back and rack in the money.
Plus you get instant exposure of yourself and your music. Not bad for just owning the copyrights.
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Dyson Steel
New member
Toker41 said:
No. You can do both, IMO.
But if some one wants the song "Exclusively" this is where you you might get in a wiz-bang.
I never,never recommend granting some one "Exclusive Rights" to any of my songs. That can cost you money. In some cases BIG Money.
But hey, This is my on opnions and nothing more. I am not a music lawyer and all I can do is tell you what works for me and how I feel.
But I do recommend you fill out the SR. And when you do get your moneys worth and put about 10 songs on one fileing.
Cheers
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Toker41
Better Than You
K...what happens if I don't have the copyright yet, but I let someone hear it....and the rat bastard steals it? Am I protected?
(hehe...I know alot of rat bastards).
(hehe...I know alot of rat bastards).
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Dyson Steel
New member
Copyright................
Did you creat it? Copyright takes effect when you creat it.
Yes you are protected. But if you don't register it, or have a way to show proof its your stuff, its your word against theirs.
That's the bottom line. Then its the one with the most money to pay the lawyer wins.
You need to check out the Library of Congress, copyrights.
Good luck. You are making this more difficult than it is. You just have to make a choice on what you are going to do.
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Toker41 said:
Did you creat it? Copyright takes effect when you creat it.
Yes you are protected. But if you don't register it, or have a way to show proof its your stuff, its your word against theirs.
That's the bottom line. Then its the one with the most money to pay the lawyer wins.
You need to check out the Library of Congress, copyrights.
Good luck. You are making this more difficult than it is. You just have to make a choice on what you are going to do.
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tanlith
King of the Wicker People
Re: Copyright................
Yep! If it ain't on paper it ain't worth crap.
I don't let anyone see or hear anything I write till it's got the official (c) on it!
- Tanlith -
Dyson Steel said:
Yep! If it ain't on paper it ain't worth crap.
I don't let anyone see or hear anything I write till it's got the official (c) on it!
- Tanlith -