dtb
Well-known member
Larry, I have yo solution. Get the shit sounding as good as you can, wait for the crowd to settle, then pass out about 2 dozen fatties, and wait 15 minutes, and let'er go. They'll enjoy the shit out of your setup. LOL.
Treeline
New member
Space 'em out as far as your cables will reasonably let you and still leaving enough room to let someone (like you, in a hurry) pass between the cab and the tent wall, and tuck 'em in to fire towards the center a little - like ten degrees or something. That will help with coverage and it should also help combat feedback, as the rear of the cabs tend to throw off signal and these will be angled away from the mics. I'd place them a few more feet forward as well. They should be fine with an acoustic act. In fact, you can let them run a little more than you are probably used to doing indoors and you may find they sound a bit better.
Bring duct tape...
Bring extension cords...
BTW, are you using a snake and locating the head well into the audience? If not, see if you can snaggle enough extra XLRs and speaker cable to do the same thing. You will stress way less if you're out there doing sound, instead of stage left doing sound.
Bring duct tape...
Bring extension cords...
BTW, are you using a snake and locating the head well into the audience? If not, see if you can snaggle enough extra XLRs and speaker cable to do the same thing. You will stress way less if you're out there doing sound, instead of stage left doing sound.
sonusman
Banned
LI, coupling is coupling. Coupling is where the combined volume of two sources comes together and becomes quite LOUD. Bass waves are much bigger than higher frequencies, thus coupling of bass is much more obvious. It can also do strange things to the low end.
Dont' worry too much about a "hole" in the center being there. I don't think this whole setup is big enough for that to be an issue.
Ed
Dont' worry too much about a "hole" in the center being there. I don't think this whole setup is big enough for that to be an issue.
Ed
LI_Slim
voice in the wilderness
Thanks again Ed and Tree (Dan, that advice I can do without!
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You've convinced me to move the speakers out a little more (and to make it sound good of course).
Tree, I'm not going to do a FOH set up, although I had thought about it. I should be able to get it very close before the audience arrives and just do a tweak or two as needed.
I would use duct tape more but my daughter is a vegetarian.
).You've convinced me to move the speakers out a little more (and to make it sound good of course).
Tree, I'm not going to do a FOH set up, although I had thought about it. I should be able to get it very close before the audience arrives and just do a tweak or two as needed.
I would use duct tape more but my daughter is a vegetarian.
dtb
Well-known member
like you thought I was serious. I just hope for your sake, the wind isn't blowing that day, like it's blowing here. LOL. If it does, tighten up the ropes.
Treeline
New member
I had one of these gigs humming along one night when the wind whipped up and ripped the tent from the ridgepole right to the wall. We kept everything going, but we were, well, nervous in the What Happens Next department.
LI_Slim
voice in the wilderness
it went great
I set it up basically as per my diagram although I did slide the speakers out a foot or two more, and I angled them very slightly toward the center. The tent used a center pole construction so it was 16' high in the center. The sides were clear plastic (which gave a nice open feeling).
For vocal I used my SM58 through the Mackie 406M, boosting slightly at 125, 250, 4k and 15k and cutting slightly at 60, 500, 1k, 2k and 8k. I added a little delay (2x). I ran the acoustic guitars first through a little Mackie DFX-6 (and then into the line input of one of the channels of the 406M), cutting a little of what I was boosting in the 406M and adding back a little 1 or 2k. No effects on the guitars. One of the three artists played keyboard and that went right into the 406M. I had tried everything my basement earlier in the day, and the settings didn't change much for the tent except as Ed kind of predicted I had to cut the highs a bit. Also the sound was much clearer in the tent so I was able to boost the delay a tad.
Anyway it sounded just great through the EV Sx100+ speakers. Clear, full, etc. The audience (of about 60) could hear every lyric and enjoyed singing along to a couple songs. I used an EV Sx80 (8-inch w/horn) for the monitor and that worked well also although the vocal seemed to be a little overwhelmed by the guitar or piano through the monitor even though it was balanced correctly through the main.
Thanks again for the "feedback"
I set it up basically as per my diagram although I did slide the speakers out a foot or two more, and I angled them very slightly toward the center. The tent used a center pole construction so it was 16' high in the center. The sides were clear plastic (which gave a nice open feeling).
For vocal I used my SM58 through the Mackie 406M, boosting slightly at 125, 250, 4k and 15k and cutting slightly at 60, 500, 1k, 2k and 8k. I added a little delay (2x). I ran the acoustic guitars first through a little Mackie DFX-6 (and then into the line input of one of the channels of the 406M), cutting a little of what I was boosting in the 406M and adding back a little 1 or 2k. No effects on the guitars. One of the three artists played keyboard and that went right into the 406M. I had tried everything my basement earlier in the day, and the settings didn't change much for the tent except as Ed kind of predicted I had to cut the highs a bit. Also the sound was much clearer in the tent so I was able to boost the delay a tad.
Anyway it sounded just great through the EV Sx100+ speakers. Clear, full, etc. The audience (of about 60) could hear every lyric and enjoyed singing along to a couple songs. I used an EV Sx80 (8-inch w/horn) for the monitor and that worked well also although the vocal seemed to be a little overwhelmed by the guitar or piano through the monitor even though it was balanced correctly through the main.
Thanks again for the "feedback"
dtb
Well-known member
ain't life grand. way to go Larry, glad the gig went well. there was a lot to get over with what you had to work with. the tent, etc. did you make any $$$ on this gig? or was this one a give-a-way. sounds like you did a great job.
LI_Slim
voice in the wilderness
I donated my services, as did the other artists, although I did sell a few CDs. We netted about $3000 for the charity.