Comparing 3 interfaces/ protools/cubase

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OK anyways i am looking between the tascam 1884 and the additional FE-8 8 track add ons i can get. But the only thing is that this works with cubase.

Or i could get the digidesign 002 which works with protools. Although it can only record 8 tracks simultaneously.. which is fine.

Any recomendations?

Im looking at musiciansfriend and i am on the fence on which to get.
if i get the digi, i would get the package they have for a few extra hundred.
 
slash81291 said:
Or i could get the digidesign 002 which works with protools. Although it can only record 8 tracks simultaneously.. which is fine.

it's 18 tracks simulatenously
 
And the Tascam is compatible with just about everything BUT Pro Tools. The Digi 002 is capable of 18 tracks like stated above, but not without extra hardware.
 
how is the digi 18 tracks simultaneously?


i dont get it? it has 8 faders and i know how it has the page thing so i could record tracks over it later.

but i didnt know 18 at once?? how does this work?
 
slash81291 said:
how is the digi 18 tracks simultaneously?


i dont get it? it has 8 faders and i know how it has the page thing so i could record tracks over it later.

but i didnt know 18 at once?? how does this work?

8 analog ins (4 mic pres)
8 ADAT Lightpipe
2 SPDIF

the faders have nothing to do with any analog audio. That whole part is just a control surface...a big mouse if you will. It just controls parameters in the program. There is in fact an even cheaper version (the 002r) that just gets rid of the control surface and gives you 18 inputs still.

And the Tascam is compatible with just about everything BUT Pro Tools. The Digi 002 is capable of 18 tracks like stated above, but not without extra hardware.

I don't know what you're talking about. The 002 also works with most other programs and happens to include Pro Tools with it. The Tascam only has 8 analog ins also...if you want more inputs for that you'll have to buy extra hardware just like you said you have to for the 002.


You need to think of Digi gear has hardware that just happens to include software with your purchase. Just kinda like how some systems include Cubase LE.

Slash....you might also look at the M-Audio Project Mix I/O. It also works with a version of Pro Tools but doesn't include the software.
 
Ok the only reason im looking at these two things are because i am going to be doing digital recording with either protools or cubase, and i want the hardware, the physical faders so i am not messing around with my mouse.

I like the feel of an analog mixer which is why i am looking at these interfaces,

so what i understood is that with the digi, there isnt any add on i could do to add extra faders/xlr inputs but it can record the 8 that it has simulataneously and i could also unplug those and go to a different instrument and record over the existing tracks. overdubs or extra arangments.

With the 1884, i could buy the FE-8 which adds 8 faders and inputs etc. The only thign is this goes with cubase.

Im not sure what i want between cubase and protools.

but from what i understand is that i could go..

Mic>patch house of some sort where i could switch around xlr cables to go to different channels of the mixer.> mixer> computer via firewire or whatever.


then once i lay down tracks, i could just mix them down later hence where the faders would come in handy.


Mike
 
slash...remember, those two units you are looking at are control surfaces, not analog mixers. The faders do not control any level going to tape (at least not on the 002...i'm assuming the Tascam is the same, but I've never used it). The number of faders on the units also do not denote how many simultaneous channels of audio it is able to record. Even though the 002 only has 8 faders, when you are mixing in Pro Tools you are able to use all 8 of the faders for EVERY single track in Pro Tools. It will show tracks 1-8, and then when you press a button those faders will flip to show you tracks 9-16 and so on.

Also, you are not restricted to just Pro Tools or Cubase. You can use these devices with almost any recording programs.
 
Ok, mabye i will stay analog.

I am confuzed about this whole process really,

is there any links you can give to make me understand this better?

If i go the route of an analog mixer, but i want to record to digital. I can do the tracks but then edit them on the computer with a program right?

if i go analog how would it look between mackie/allen heath?
 
control surface:
think of it as a huge mouse. when you move the faders on the control surface it moves the corresponding fader in the software program you are using. When you pan the audio to the left with the control surface, it also pans the knob in the program to the left. Everything you do on the control surface you could do the EXACT same thing with your mouse.

the reason people like the control surfaces is because it makes it more hands on for them. they like the feel of actual faders under their fingers. And it also allows them to do things they couldn't do with just a single mouse. You can move two or more faders at once with just on hand which can help when writing automation.

However, no audio passes through any of the faders/knobs on a control surface. Digital information is sent to the software program telling it "Increase the volume level on the snare drum track". It just so happens the units you are looking at are also audio interfaces (aka soundcards). They take an analog signal and convert it into digital and vice versa. But these companies decided to include a control surface with it. Every move you do of the fader is effecting the audio on the monitoring side while recording. So you're not controlling what you're recording, you're only effecting what you're hearing back AFTER it's recorded.

Take a close look at these:
http://www.zzounds.com/a--2676837/item--DGDMX002R

That is your 002Rack unit (also called the 002r). It's just a standard, audio reocrding sound card. Now compare it to:
http://www.zzounds.com/a--2676837/item--DGDMX002

which is the 002. This looks almost EXACTLY like the 002r, but has a control surface mounted to it. In fact, switch back and forth between the pics of the two units and you'll notice the tops of them look almost identical. Both accept the same type and number of inputs but the more expensive one has a huge mouse attached to it.



analog mixer:
Audio actually passes through analog mixers. Every fader move, every EQ knob, every pan....effects the audio that is sent out the outputs. No digital is used in a true analog mixer. Many people like the control an analog mixer gives them. They can use more preamps and add more effects live while recording. And there is also very very minimal latency when using an analog mixer.

When you're incorporating an analog mixer into your computer setup most people like to use mixers that have Tape Outs or Direct Outs. This is so that every microphone you plug into your mixer has it's own output. Smaller (and cheaper) units don't offer these and instead you're forced to use your main outputs on them. However, those main outputs are a summation of all the audio channels on your mixer. So if you plug 12 microphones into it...you still only get two channels which limits you after you've recorded. If the mixer had direct outs...you could take all these 12 inputs separately and send them to a soundcard or other tape machine.

If you do get an analog mixer you'll still need something to record the audio onto. Like a computer (with a soundcard of course) or a tape machine of some sort. I would recommend not using an analog mixer as you start off. Both the Tascam and the Digi 002 will work well for what you want. It all depends on which features you want and IF you want to use Pro Tools too.

Likewise, I also recommend looking at the M-Audio Project Mix I/O. It's a decent price with a lot of features. It just doesn't come with any software...but you can purchase that separately (either M-Powered Pro Tools or any other program).

Hope all that helps.
 
Bennychico... I never said that the Digi 002 wasn't compatible with other things. I was just adding more information. The original poster sounded like he/she thought that the Tascam only worked with Cubase. I wanted to point out that it will work with virtually everything except Pro Tools. I also wanted to point out that the Digi 002 does not give you more than 8 channels UNLESS you also have other hardware to utilize the extra inputs that it is capable of. I just feel like it is important that people have as much info as possible BEFORE they make a purchase so that they do get the right stuff that they need. My post was in no way anti Pro Tools, pro Tascam or pro Cubase (which is what I use :D ). It was purely information, and to the best of my knowledge 100% correct as well:)
 
xstatic said:
I just feel like it is important that people have as much info as possible BEFORE they make a purchase so that they do get the right stuff that they need.

agreed ;)
you were right :)
 
Ditch both,and get something else! :mad:

Seems like the most popular software out there are the worst ones! :( especialy cubase,there i said it!
 
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