Cobain Vocal Tracks

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Chili said:
Awww, shucks....
I sent a note to the Admins asking for clarification. If they okay it, I can re-edit the post and put the link back up.
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I would think it's no different than the YouTube links we all post...the content belongs to someone else.
 
Chili said:
I appreciate what you're doing here, but posting other people's copyrighted material is against the TOS. I removed the link.

Thanks for your understanding.
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So does this mean no more covers in the clinic?
 
miroslav said:
I would think it's no different than the YouTube links we all post...the content belongs to someone else.
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Actually, that was part of my question to them. I think the difference lies in the fact that Youtube takes care of their site, we don't. Same for soundclick and other hosting sites.

So does this mean no more covers in the clinic?
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As for covers, you are suppose to get a license for the cover. Whether you do or not, is on you, not HR. We won't be checking. The difference between you doing a cover and you posting recordings of someone like Nirvana is these are the original recordings, not a cover.

Clearly, in this case, the OP doesn't own the recordings. There might be an argument for fair use, being an educational tool. I don't know how that works, hopefully France can clarify.

Thanks for the comments.
 
Chili said:
Clearly, in this case, the OP doesn't own the recordings. There might be an argument for fair use, being an educational tool. I don't know how that works, hopefully France can clarify.
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At the risk of getting into another copyright argument, I think the major factors in the fair use argument are whether or not the material was created spontaneously, like not as part of a bigger collection and whether or not the material is being used in a educational institution by a teacher or student.

It seems like a really gray area of copyright law.
 
DrewPeterson7 said:
he wasn't double-tracking. He was singing each song no more than a handful of times, and Butch Vig was using those few tracks in the mix:
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the choruses are double tracked, as are grohl's harmonies.

butch talks about it and demonstrates it in great detail in classic albums series and in many more sources.
 
Chibi Nappa said:
Cobain died before pitch correction was invented. His vocals never even saw a computer. That was all tape.

And what I mean is that his inability to hit every note doesn't change the fact that he is one of the greatest singers ever. Nobody else can convey that emotion.
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You're kidding right? One of the greatest singers EVER? Can't hit the notes, I thought that was one of the hallmarks of a great singer, they can hit the notes. Look at Carruso, Pavarotti, Domingo, Brightman, Ti Kanawa, Callas, they can (or could, some are dead) HIT THE FUCKIN' NOTES! It's like saying Joe Schmo is one of the greatest pianists ever even though half his notes are wrong.

What emotion is conveyed? He can go from soft to screaming, great. No one else can do that. Right. Let's try Joe Strummer, Paul Weller, the list goes on ad nauseum.
 
buzzard bass said:
You're kidding right? One of the greatest singers EVER?
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Not kidding at all.
Can't hit the notes, I thought that was one of the hallmarks of a great singer, they can hit the notes. Look at Carruso, Pavarotti, Domingo, Brightman, Ti Kanawa, Callas, they can (or could, some are dead) HIT THE FUCKIN' NOTES!
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Look at Sinatra. Didn't hit the notes! It didn't matter! He is a legendary singer because his expression, tonal quality, and delivery killed. People get so caught up in the technical these days. I'm guessing that's why everything has stagnated for the past 10 years. There is so much more to being great at any art than correct execution of the mechanics.
It's like saying Joe Schmo is one of the greatest pianists ever even though half his notes are wrong.
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If Joe Schmo was literally responsible for killing 80's butt rock with his piano and millions of people regarded every one of his albums with awe, then yes...He'd be one of the greatest pianists ever even if all of his notes were wrong.

What emotion is conveyed? He can go from soft to screaming, great. No one else can do that. Right. Let's try Joe Strummer, Paul Weller, the list goes on ad nauseum.
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You're not serious, right? The mutherfrupper had so much angst he blew his own head off, and you can't identify the emotion in his songs?

Music isn't about going through the motions. It has nothing to do with "now he's loud now he's soft".
 
I was more or less trying to learn the ins and outs of studio vocal work with a scratchy voice singer that clearly used studio work to hit the higher harmonies of the chorus. Melodyne doesn't take scratchy or screaming vocals well. So how was it done?

I dont' think it matters here, but I took the track off of a video game. Its the REAL studio recorded vocal track. Its licensed in a sense, but copyright laws are a pain...

I want somebody to say yes. he's got 2 vocals on left, 2 on the right, some chorus, and synthed harmonies.

I could always put this on youtube or soundclick and re link it that way? Would that be better?
 
the higher harmonies in the chorus were dave grohl.

i think they more or less came out as your hear them.


fwiw though,,once in a while when autotune doesn't play nice, i've used a waves chorus plugin.

i disable the main voice and one of the chorus voices, which leaves only one chorus voice playing.

i set pitch offset and delay to zero, so technically you have changed nothing about the vox track.


BUT, now you can automate the pitch of the chorus voice. i've found it to be a really useful and pretty transparent tool for the odd wee fix.
 
Steenamaroo said:
the choruses are double tracked, as are grohl's harmonies.

butch talks about it and demonstrates it in great detail in classic albums series and in many more sources.
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Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but what I mean was this - Cobain didn't go back and "double" a lead vocal. He recorded 3-4 takes for a lead, Vig saved them all, and generally used more than one on the choruses.

Kind of a semantical distinction, maybe, but none of those takes were Kurt trying to replicate a prior performance.
 
DrewPeterson7 said:
Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but what I mean was this - Cobain didn't go back and "double" a lead vocal. He recorded 3-4 takes for a lead, Vig saved them all, and generally used more than one on the choruses.

Kind of a semantical distinction, maybe, but none of those takes were Kurt trying to replicate a prior performance.
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fair play man! i see what you're saying...

i guess all i meant was, whether he was intentionally aiming for a double track, or just being duped into singing the same thing twice,,,he was either skilful enough, or well rehearsed enough to do it almost perfectly.


in my opinion, the takes are so tight that it almost sounds like a chorus effect which makes it worth mentioning in this thread!
 
DrewPeterson7 said:
Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but what I mean was this - Cobain didn't go back and "double" a lead vocal. He recorded 3-4 takes for a lead, Vig saved them all, and generally used more than one on the choruses.

Kind of a semantical distinction, maybe, but none of those takes were Kurt trying to replicate a prior performance.
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I might be recalling the wrong album, but Butch Vig did have Kurt double his vocals, Kurt didn't like to but Butch would tell him John Lennon did it and that would convince him.
 
you're totally right, but i didn't want to get into a semantics battle with drew.

we're both basically sayin the same thing right?
 
Steenamaroo said:
we're both basically sayin the same thing right?
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Yes, you guys agree.

Drew's point was that he had to be "fooled"into doing them.

Your point was, "fooled" or not, it's still impressive that he was able to sing the same part well enough both times to make it possible to line up the tracks and have them sound good together.

:cool:
 
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