fraserhutch
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Cello, if you don't don't the board, you're free to leave. If you don't like the thread, you're free to leave.
Deal.
Deal.
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Good Friend
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Beagle
Dont listen to beagle man! HE STINKS JUST GO TO HIS PAGE AND LISTEN!
DO YOU WANT TO SOUND LIKE THAT?! ISNT IT SPOOKY AS HELL HOW SOMEONE WITH THAT MUCH EXPERIENCE CAN BE SO TERRIBLE AT ARRANGING AND COMPOSING?! CAUSE IT SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME MAN!!
BEAGLE SOUNDS LIKE THE "ON HOLD" MUSIC YOU HEAR WHILE YOURE WAITING FOR THE GUY IN GUITAR CENTER's PRO AUDIO DEPARTMENT TO TELL YOU THEY DONT MAKE REEL TO REEL TAPES ANYMORE (only his tunes are lower fi, and not as good).
DOWN WITH BEAGLE, MAN!!
Dont listen to beagle man! HE STINKS JUST GO TO HIS PAGE AND LISTEN!
DO YOU WANT TO SOUND LIKE THAT?! ISNT IT SPOOKY AS HELL HOW SOMEONE WITH THAT MUCH EXPERIENCE CAN BE SO TERRIBLE AT ARRANGING AND COMPOSING?! CAUSE IT SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME MAN!!
BEAGLE SOUNDS LIKE THE "ON HOLD" MUSIC YOU HEAR WHILE YOURE WAITING FOR THE GUY IN GUITAR CENTER's PRO AUDIO DEPARTMENT TO TELL YOU THEY DONT MAKE REEL TO REEL TAPES ANYMORE (only his tunes are lower fi, and not as good).
DOWN WITH BEAGLE, MAN!!
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I've heard famous beagle's music and have been impressed with his writing, arranging, musicianship and creativity.
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Honestly i know people will rage, but knowing the key of a song is less important than knowing how chords are related to each other, and the feelings and variations of feelings you can get out of changes. Even simple ones.
I treat all chords as just variations of similar chords. I dont stress over things that are named or not named. Am - G i keep in mind as Am - Em as i am working through tunes. Cause you can chord substitute as a springboard for different song parts. Just remember, when chord substitution occurs, there is much strength in it and it is much more musical when the melody note falls on the note that is the same in the substituted chord. Not always, but there is strength there. Say you are chord substituting an Em for what was a G in a previous song part, then the melody will sit nicely if it is a G note. Not every single time, but i would strive for success first and then if it isnt feeling right, then try something uncommon.
All right everybody... throw all your fits and tell me thats not how "you" do it.
Honestly i know people will rage, but knowing the key of a song is less important than knowing how chords are related to each other, and the feelings and variations of feelings you can get out of changes. Even simple ones.
I treat all chords as just variations of similar chords. I dont stress over things that are named or not named. Am - G i keep in mind as Am - Em as i am working through tunes. Cause you can chord substitute as a springboard for different song parts. Just remember, when chord substitution occurs, there is much strength in it and it is much more musical when the melody note falls on the note that is the same in the substituted chord. Not always, but there is strength there. Say you are chord substituting an Em for what was a G in a previous song part, then the melody will sit nicely if it is a G note. Not every single time, but i would strive for success first and then if it isnt feeling right, then try something uncommon.
All right everybody... throw all your fits and tell me thats not how "you" do it.
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Names and terminology are highly overrated. What matters is the sound and feel.
Theory is just a way to try to make the intellectual pursuit of that as accurate as possible.
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nah dude
Seriously, what could impress you about that? He must be a friend of yours or you are deaf.
It lacks genre originality. So you cant be into his stylistic elements. Its no different than the millions of lame home written tunes you hear coming from all the home studios that guitar center built.
And it also lacks excitement or surprise. Each song sounds like the same song. Youd think a great writer would have a few different ideas.
There are poorly written lyrics, the changes are weak, the songs have hardly and repeating elements, he doesnt have any hooky ostinatos or anything. Its just garbage. And i could live with garbage but he just talks too much crap about what he knows and it bothers me. I AM BOTHERED BY IT. Anyone got a problem with that? What kind of world are we in where youre not allowed tos tand up and say "fuck you" to terrible shit? Are we just supposed to let everything suck just to be "nice". I am willing but once in awhile i have to say "you suck" to a know it all or ill go crazy.
Seriously, what in particular is good about BEAGLES songs. I would LOVE to hear this.
Seriously, what could impress you about that? He must be a friend of yours or you are deaf.
It lacks genre originality. So you cant be into his stylistic elements. Its no different than the millions of lame home written tunes you hear coming from all the home studios that guitar center built.
And it also lacks excitement or surprise. Each song sounds like the same song. Youd think a great writer would have a few different ideas.
There are poorly written lyrics, the changes are weak, the songs have hardly and repeating elements, he doesnt have any hooky ostinatos or anything. Its just garbage. And i could live with garbage but he just talks too much crap about what he knows and it bothers me. I AM BOTHERED BY IT. Anyone got a problem with that? What kind of world are we in where youre not allowed tos tand up and say "fuck you" to terrible shit? Are we just supposed to let everything suck just to be "nice". I am willing but once in awhile i have to say "you suck" to a know it all or ill go crazy.
Seriously, what in particular is good about BEAGLES songs. I would LOVE to hear this.
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You got me.
OK, I'll admit it. I'm deaf.
There. I feel better already.
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Good Friend
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okok
OK i know this is not addressing the original question, so ill stop. But id like to hear anyone say what in Beagles music shows any sign of skill or talent beyond the average. People spend too much time on memorizing musical theories and not enough time USING musical theories.
It seems like everybodys got all the names for things figured out but people still churn out boring and lame tunes. Even the non musical parts are weak. Lets ask this question for a bit: how could a near musical professional, whos been listening to music his whole life, and studying it for years, still write boring music? Still write boring and typical lyrics? Still have boring and unhooky changes and arrangements? Youd think at some point an "artist" would have realized a few things about how real songs are written. And everyone thinks they are so brilliant by saying that peoples opinions are different and that writing good songs is about taste, but i think thats wrong. Because if you took the Pink Panther theme and changed even one note it would ruin the melody. All that genius, all that brilliance, gone in one note change. So the difference between brilliant and less brilliant is in one friggin note.
Is that a matter of opinion? Would some people prefer a changed note in the pink panther theme? The answer is NO. So that proves that music DOES go better certain ways. The brain DOES universally expect certain feelings from an intro or outro or bridge or whatever. And musicians who cant or dont feel the need to create those feelings arent artists at all. They are hacks. And the worst kind of hack too, one that uses "its art" as their defense as to why they dont have to pay attention to detail. And i am referring to emotional detail, not theoretic detail.
I honestly truly and deeply feel that being a musician is just something a ton of people do to feel like they are cool. No different than a bunch of guys body building.
OK i know this is not addressing the original question, so ill stop. But id like to hear anyone say what in Beagles music shows any sign of skill or talent beyond the average. People spend too much time on memorizing musical theories and not enough time USING musical theories.
It seems like everybodys got all the names for things figured out but people still churn out boring and lame tunes. Even the non musical parts are weak. Lets ask this question for a bit: how could a near musical professional, whos been listening to music his whole life, and studying it for years, still write boring music? Still write boring and typical lyrics? Still have boring and unhooky changes and arrangements? Youd think at some point an "artist" would have realized a few things about how real songs are written. And everyone thinks they are so brilliant by saying that peoples opinions are different and that writing good songs is about taste, but i think thats wrong. Because if you took the Pink Panther theme and changed even one note it would ruin the melody. All that genius, all that brilliance, gone in one note change. So the difference between brilliant and less brilliant is in one friggin note.
Is that a matter of opinion? Would some people prefer a changed note in the pink panther theme? The answer is NO. So that proves that music DOES go better certain ways. The brain DOES universally expect certain feelings from an intro or outro or bridge or whatever. And musicians who cant or dont feel the need to create those feelings arent artists at all. They are hacks. And the worst kind of hack too, one that uses "its art" as their defense as to why they dont have to pay attention to detail. And i am referring to emotional detail, not theoretic detail.
I honestly truly and deeply feel that being a musician is just something a ton of people do to feel like they are cool. No different than a bunch of guys body building.
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
Who said it was less or more imporant? We were addressing a question asked.Good Friend said:
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
Timothy Lawler said:
Agreed - the sound and feel are really all that matter at the end of the day - names and terminololgy are merely means of communication.
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ye
yeah, addressing it poorly
yeah, addressing it poorly
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Maybe we're listening to different music. I'm thinking of famous beagle's "That's What I'd Say". I'd rate that high on the expressive/creative scale.Good Friend said:
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
Nah, what we're dealing with here is the type who thinks the music he digs is the only valid and worthwhile music, and the he's the final arbiter of what is good and worthwhile.Timothy Lawler said:
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chazba
terminally hip
DUDE....
Don't let this forum be your only source of info on music theory or anything else for that matter. There are lots of books that discuss scales and modes in " guitareese" Pick one out that you think will suit your learning style and get down with it. You may not pick up everything on the first reading but I guarantee that you will learn something everytime you pick the book up. Next thing you know, you too can get online and make wise pronouncements and be the source of all wisdom, mode-wise, in guitar land.
chazba
Don't let this forum be your only source of info on music theory or anything else for that matter. There are lots of books that discuss scales and modes in " guitareese" Pick one out that you think will suit your learning style and get down with it. You may not pick up everything on the first reading but I guarantee that you will learn something everytime you pick the book up. Next thing you know, you too can get online and make wise pronouncements and be the source of all wisdom, mode-wise, in guitar land.
chazba
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dementedchord
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Good Friend said:
hmmm..... if you got something personal going on here well thats on you... deal with it....
on the otherhand if you really feel that way about the music well frankly you've lost all credibility as far as i'm concerned... i found his tunes interesting harmoniclly and rythmiclly as well... the style he seems to like most is reminiscent of paul simon.... intimate story teller type thing... and the short solo clips at the end show he's got chops.... for me the primary judgement of BBS tunes is always based on whether or not i would be enjoy being on a stage with the OP and i would have NO problem whatsoever trading licks with him.....
BTW... i'ld like to listen to yours as well... can you send me a link????
famous beagle
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dementedchord said:
Good luck with that demented. I asked many times to hear his tunes ... to demonstrate his mastery of songsmanship, but ... nothing. I'm convinced he probably can't even write a song.
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dementedchord
Psychotic State alumni ch
actually since i didnt want to presume too much about him based on this thread i did a search on his other posts and i see where you've had a bit of a tete' et tete' going on... not sure why i didnt look at that thread before... probably because it was some thing he had resurected and wasn't a new thread... anyhow... not wanting to stir things back up but as an observation... he's reallynot a musician at all (dons flame suit)... and the reason i say that is it IMO takes more than piano lessons as a child... or doing hack covers for instance to be a musician.... being musical doesn't make you a musician.... ie.owning a bat doesn't make you albert pujols... i suspect what he is infact is a grad student/phd candidate in psychology makeing inquireies into the nature of learning and creativity.... normally those who seek to reinvent the wheel akcknowledge that the wheel exists... and want to better whats been done... not here though.... and i suspect that you (like myself) are offended by his misuse of the professional patter we use on a dailly basis... i can only say he should be glad i'm not on his advisory commitee...
famous beagle
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dementedchord said:
just what I was thinking
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griffd
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EddieRay is correct. The key is determined by the Tonic.
"The tonic is the first note of a musical scale, and in the tonal method of musical composition it is extremely important. The triad formed on the tonic note, the tonic chord, is thus the most important chord. More generally, the tonic is the pitch upon which all other pitches of a piece are hierarchically centered."
Em is the "Relative Minor" of the key of G. The keys of Em and G share exactly the same scale or note. The difference is the Tonic. If the Tonic is an E, in this case your in the key of Em. If it's a G, your in the key of G.
The tonic is the note you always return to during the song. The resolves your melodies. It is almost always the last note or cord of a song.
"The tonic is the first note of a musical scale, and in the tonal method of musical composition it is extremely important. The triad formed on the tonic note, the tonic chord, is thus the most important chord. More generally, the tonic is the pitch upon which all other pitches of a piece are hierarchically centered."
Em is the "Relative Minor" of the key of G. The keys of Em and G share exactly the same scale or note. The difference is the Tonic. If the Tonic is an E, in this case your in the key of Em. If it's a G, your in the key of G.
The tonic is the note you always return to during the song. The resolves your melodies. It is almost always the last note or cord of a song.
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Re the Good Friend discussion... I think you can only fully understand a poster's comments if you've heard his/her music. It adds depth and weight to their words.
One of the best things about HR is that so many members make their recordings accessible.
Some are really good at writing and less concerned with recording fidelity, others are the opposite, and some are good at all of it, but knowing their work lets you hear their comments with more understanding of how it relates.
So Good Friend, where can I hear your music? Are you just a listener or do you make music also?
One of the best things about HR is that so many members make their recordings accessible.
Some are really good at writing and less concerned with recording fidelity, others are the opposite, and some are good at all of it, but knowing their work lets you hear their comments with more understanding of how it relates.
So Good Friend, where can I hear your music? Are you just a listener or do you make music also?