CoolCat
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now that sounds like a punk rock nursing home! I Wanna Be Sedated anyone?
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ecc83
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I would expect a high tech Co like Telefunken to have all their CNC data on their servers and we know how good the Chinese are at hacking other people's data! Thus they might just be able to dump the design info straight into their CNC machines and 3D printers?
Handbooks would of course be a doddle! It would seem "The Rest of the World" is just one big technical resource to China?
Dave.
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R D Smith
It's as good as it is, for as long as it lasts.
There is no such thing as intellectual property in CN. If any of the parts are made in CN, they don't have to hack anything. The info is already there and available.
rob aylestone
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Oddly, they do actually have copyright legislation. They just routinely ignore it. I had a few useful products, then tried to order more and they had crossed a line, breaking one of their own laws. Our frequencies in the UK happen to be used by their military. The factory was banned from producing any more.
If anyone supplies the factory in china with a CNC file, its not considered private. Same with injection moulding. If the manufacturer makes 1000 products for a customer, and another customer wants the same thing, they make them. Motorola and Icom, both companies based in other countries have products made in china. Once the models are discontinued, they expect the plants to stop making them. They dont, or at least, they keep the tooling. Remember those radios that blew up some bad guys? The manufacturers could not tell if they were genuine old ones, or unofficial ones that sell on aliexpress. They got called counterfeit, or fakes, but they are 100% the same product, just being sold direct from the factory who have all the parts. The resl manufacturers struggle to justify ‘fake’, the best is perhaps ‘unauthorised’. Having both, i can actually tell the difference. The colour of the plastic has a slightly different colour, but you need an original to tell!
If anyone supplies the factory in china with a CNC file, its not considered private. Same with injection moulding. If the manufacturer makes 1000 products for a customer, and another customer wants the same thing, they make them. Motorola and Icom, both companies based in other countries have products made in china. Once the models are discontinued, they expect the plants to stop making them. They dont, or at least, they keep the tooling. Remember those radios that blew up some bad guys? The manufacturers could not tell if they were genuine old ones, or unofficial ones that sell on aliexpress. They got called counterfeit, or fakes, but they are 100% the same product, just being sold direct from the factory who have all the parts. The resl manufacturers struggle to justify ‘fake’, the best is perhaps ‘unauthorised’. Having both, i can actually tell the difference. The colour of the plastic has a slightly different colour, but you need an original to tell!
CoolCat
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My understanding reading about mics is China is the main hub of body's, headbaskets...even for pricier cloners and more.
Sennheiser and Neumann, Rode, are couple who make it all in house, its almost refreshing to hear these days.
The legal thing would be hard, for say Headbasket copy's, where Neumann Lawyers can stop WARM Audio or GoToToolz and Rode NT2 on the 87 /67 Headbasket shape but China doesn't seem to care about being sued and makes them all year long.
Like Rob said already, China probably doesn't really care and ignores the Lawyers, China business probably only worry's about being tossed in their own prisons by their Govt.
(I wonder why, if the 67/87 headbasket is copyright protected, why wasn't the U47 body an headbasket? )
As for stealing information I think most US company's handed all that details and schematics to China. One job I had , turned into me shipping boxes of technology papers and parts, to Taiwan for a couple years! as the company offshored to Taiwan and closed the US factory. Oddly it was a American / Korean owned company in Taiwan...lol
crazy the shell games played. Of course the management told everyone in the factory "they will only be doing our overflow work" which is a common lie when offshoring the factory. The only thing left is a small group who do QC on the foundry, keeping them honest....because the foundry gets money off parts shipped, so QC failing parts reduces the foundrys income....I heard stories the foundry was caught de-calibrating tools so everything passed !! and more parts shipped!! and then the parts were sent to the End User who installed the parts in their TV's and the TV;s were failing and being returned.. I saw recently they are now moving the company to US 20yrs later (China attacking Taiwan threats I suppose-.
house of cards , QC unknown. ...what if the product was foundried from the US to Taiwan for a Korean company who then moves the Korean company to US soil, does it become a US product again? lol
Sennheiser and Neumann, Rode, are couple who make it all in house, its almost refreshing to hear these days.
The legal thing would be hard, for say Headbasket copy's, where Neumann Lawyers can stop WARM Audio or GoToToolz and Rode NT2 on the 87 /67 Headbasket shape but China doesn't seem to care about being sued and makes them all year long.
Like Rob said already, China probably doesn't really care and ignores the Lawyers, China business probably only worry's about being tossed in their own prisons by their Govt.
(I wonder why, if the 67/87 headbasket is copyright protected, why wasn't the U47 body an headbasket? )
As for stealing information I think most US company's handed all that details and schematics to China. One job I had , turned into me shipping boxes of technology papers and parts, to Taiwan for a couple years! as the company offshored to Taiwan and closed the US factory. Oddly it was a American / Korean owned company in Taiwan...lol
crazy the shell games played. Of course the management told everyone in the factory "they will only be doing our overflow work" which is a common lie when offshoring the factory. The only thing left is a small group who do QC on the foundry, keeping them honest....because the foundry gets money off parts shipped, so QC failing parts reduces the foundrys income....I heard stories the foundry was caught de-calibrating tools so everything passed !! and more parts shipped!! and then the parts were sent to the End User who installed the parts in their TV's and the TV;s were failing and being returned.. I saw recently they are now moving the company to US 20yrs later (China attacking Taiwan threats I suppose-.
house of cards , QC unknown. ...what if the product was foundried from the US to Taiwan for a Korean company who then moves the Korean company to US soil, does it become a US product again? lol
TalismanRich
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I suspect if you are simply making a headbasket and body, without any internals, Neumann might have trouble bringing suit on trademark infringement anyway, since you're not really selling a microphone. Sell them to DIYers, who can then add a capsule and circuit board as they please. Make a enough of an adjustment so that it's not an exact copy and you can be clear.
Rode is one of the few new companies that brought things inhouse so that they have control over every part. They also automate as much as possible so they keep costs under control (robots don't ask for annual raises or retirement). They are confident enough in their processes that they offer a 10 yr warranty, which is far more than most. I've been very happy with my NT1 and M5s. A friend has an NTK that he uses for vocals.
I still find it somewhat funny that people dump on Rode as "cheap Chinese microphones". They probably complained about those cheap junky Japanese cassette decks that Nakamichi made too!
Rode is one of the few new companies that brought things inhouse so that they have control over every part. They also automate as much as possible so they keep costs under control (robots don't ask for annual raises or retirement). They are confident enough in their processes that they offer a 10 yr warranty, which is far more than most. I've been very happy with my NT1 and M5s. A friend has an NTK that he uses for vocals.
I still find it somewhat funny that people dump on Rode as "cheap Chinese microphones". They probably complained about those cheap junky Japanese cassette decks that Nakamichi made too!
