channel inserts: what are they and how do I use them?

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Can anyone link me to some kind of tutorial about channel inserts? If I understand correctly, they are used to insert outboard gear (compressor, eq, etc.) into the signal path. But can you still use outboard gear if you don't have channel inserts? It seems like a lot of interfaces do not have channel inserts, but I'm sure there still has to be a way to plug in a compressor or eq.
 
yes, inserts basically allow you to take the signal, send it to a dynamic based processor and return it back to the point it left on the mixer. In the analog mixer world this is a physical patch you do with an insert (or Y) cable. Typically it's only done with dynamic based processors as time based processors are used with aux sends.

You should be able to do it just fine in the computer....it's just software programs handle it differently. For example, Pro Tools send it out a valid output on your interface and then looks for the return on that corresponding input. Although it's not EXACTLY the same, it does still return it to the point at which it left on the digital mixer.

You'll need to review your manual for your program.
 
I can understand the desire to learn about it, but what are you trying to do? Are you wanting to use outboard processing gear as you record? If that is your intention, perhaps you should read a little more: Major concensus around here is, that's bad.

There are other ways to insert other rack gear I suppose. Just depends on your setup and what you're doing. Could you provide more info please?

If I misunderstood, feel free to punch me in the face, just trying to help. :o
 
I'm in the process of purchasing an interface. I most likely won't use any outboard gear, but I wouldn't mind having the option if I decide to experiment down the road. It's not a matter of if they are good or bad, but just if it's possible to use without inserts.
 
I suppose you could always just put the outboard piece in the chain between your source and your interface, should you decide to do it in the future. Lack of inserts really shouldnt impede with that, though it changes the point in which they are introduced.
 
I suppose you could always just put the outboard piece in the chain between your source and your interface, should you decide to do it in the future. Lack of inserts really shouldnt impede with that, though it changes the point in which they are introduced.

Could you possibly explain this in a little more detail? I'm not sure exactly what you mean...

Thanks so much for the help!
 
Well, like, mic>preamp>eq>compressor>interface. Out from one, into the next in line, and then into your interface. Regardless, why you'd want to, I have no idea.
 
Well, like, mic>preamp>eq>compressor>interface. Out from one, into the next in line, and then into your interface. Regardless, why you'd want to, I have no idea.

it's not usually recommended...but it is done. Truthfully, I've put an EQ on a mic before it hits my computer several times. Usually to fix things I KNOW need to be fixed from the beginning. The reason it's not recommended is because it's better to have the dry, original sound recorded first...THEN after you have that you can start tweaking things. Because you still have the option to go back to the original sound if you choose.
 
That makes a lot of sense why people recording to a computer would use plug ins instead of hardware.

But in this set up - mic>preamp>eq>compressor>interface - is that assuming you are using a different preamp? What if you want to use the preamp in the interface? Does it go mic>preamp on interface>line out on interface>eq>compressor>??? I guess I'm just having trouble understanding the actual cable in cable out setup.

And how would you add another preamp to an interface? And I don't mean to get an extra channel. Let's say I buy a really high quality 1 channel pre (I probably won't, but entertain me here) and I want to use it with my interface. How do you hook that up without going through the preamp on the interface? Would it just be mic>new preamp>preamp out to line in on interface?

Thanks for taking time to help a newbie!
 
That makes a lot of sense why people recording to a computer would use plug ins instead of hardware.

They don't always. It depends on who's doing the mixing and what kind of gear they are working with. Most prefer the sound of a really expensive analog compressor than a digital plugin. Others prefer to keep it all in the box...maybe because of cost reasons (can't afford nice outboard gear) or because they want to avoid another D/A/D conversion.

But in this set up - mic>preamp>eq>compressor>interface - is that assuming you are using a different preamp? What if you want to use the preamp in the interface? Does it go mic>preamp on interface>line out on interface>eq>compressor>??? I guess I'm just having trouble understanding the actual cable in cable out setup.

Like I mentioned above it all depends on how your software handles it. And I don't know enough about every program out there to tell you. But, for example, something like the Digi 002; In Pro Tools LE there are effect inserts on each channel where you can insert plugins on a track. In the plugin pull down menu there is also the option to send the track signal to an external I/O. You would just assign it to a valid output (ie. channel 1 on the 002), patch a cable from the 002 to a compressor/eq, patch the output of the effect into the channel 1 input on the 002. Then Pro Tools puts the signal right back in the signal path for that track.

You just have to research to see if your software supports hardware inserts. And how it handles it.

And how would you add another preamp to an interface? And I don't mean to get an extra channel. Let's say I buy a really high quality 1 channel pre (I probably won't, but entertain me here) and I want to use it with my interface. How do you hook that up without going through the preamp on the interface? Would it just be mic>new preamp>preamp out to line in on interface?

Mic pre's output line level. So you plug it into anywhere that accepts line level (usually 1/4" TRS inputs on most interfaces). Again, it depends on the interface you're wanting to use. Many preamp inputs (most likely XLR) give you the option to also plug in line level devices and then you just hit a switch on the interface so it knows it's not a microphone. However, do note that each interfaces treats this differently. If you are wanting to bypass a mic input to use an external preamp instead...it's best to find a channel input that accepts ONLY line level (1/4"). Reason being is when you use the XLR inputs on some interfaces they don't always say "oh okay, you want to plug in a line level device instead....let me send the signal down the line level only path." Instead you get a response of "oh, line level huh? Well, I'm going to send you down the same path the microphone goes but first I'll reduce you ~25dB."

In other words, your crisp clean sound that you get out of a $2000 dedicated preamp now goes through ANOTHER preamp on the interface. The interface just reduces the volume so that you don't overload. Most people don't like this because they bought the expensive pre to AVOID the nasty stock pres on the interface (the 002 is an example of this). This is one reason you'll see a lot of engineers who prefer to purchase line level interfaces only (ie. all the Digi HD I/Os). That way the engineer can use the preamp of his choice and not worry about it hitting another amplification circuit.
 
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