Censorship rears its ugly head...

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Oh man S8-N, I can't believe you said that.

Do you REALLY think that TAD had more talent than Nirvana? Crap man. I really like TAD, but they're a tad boring. They have a nice big sound like early soundgarden, but that's it....and while the ability to scream in key is a good trait for any singer, they have to do a little more than that. Not to mention that on every great song they record; they seem to feel the need to beat it to death with 5 minutes of repetition and background talking (e.g. Sex God Missy & Axe to Grind). Helmet is guilty of the same thing (sorry, off topic but I was just listening to them)

And TAD did get the exposure level of other "lesser" seattle bands like mudhoney...I was able to find both of my TAD albums at a local store way out here in the boonies...sure they didn't get to the level of Nirvana...know why? It has nothing to do with prettiness, it has to do with the singer..the head man..the songwriter. Mark Arm can't sing and neither can Tad.

Besides, the ugly man is the latest craze it seems. The dorkier a singer looks, the more likely people are to think he's cool these days.

For years I was a Nirvana hater. They just got so popular so fast that I assumed they must have been garbage....after the buzz died down a bit I started listening to them a little bit and now I love them. I admit it. Simplicity in its best.

I don't find it very logical to assume that bands that don't become famous are always better than bands that do. It seems that the first thing most people scream whenever a "new" sound comes out of a particular area is that we've all been fooled into liking the worst of the bunch. I have several friends who think like that. Some day I'd like to turn on the Top 40 rock station and tell them it's a new "underground" station and listen to them rant and rave about Hanson and Oasis. :)

Never overlook the fact that some bands just plain suck. It doesn't matter how long they've been around or how many local fans they have. The feel of a band in some beer pit has to hold on a home stereo. I think we've all seen bands that were great live but are quite annoying when listened to at home.

Anyway, since there's no way to truely qualify music I guess this is all pointless. Opinions, gotta love em.

Slackmaster 2000
 
In fact I think TAD is a better band but that comes from someone who has never heard a Nirvana album... Their music still permeates the airwaves around here, and I'll admit that Cobain is a good singer but as far as singer/guitarists go... I'll give Tad Doyle my vote. I have seen 'em live and I am very critical of singer/guitarists. It's all a matter of taste I guess.
Both bands' songs sound like they were written in about 3 minutes each... Tad has more balls though... Kurt just whined alot.
And another thing... The Tad songs that you refer to are off of their first recordings... Their later stuff (Inhaler, Infra red riding hood) is much better.
S8-N
 
Holy fuck, what a stupid bunch of bullshit.

FUCK! FUCK! You did not turn into a demon in hell for reading that word. Grow up past the second grade. What kind of studios do you hang out in, because sailors have more pure a tounge than the average guy in a studio. If you are offended by such words, then turn your computer off, tv off, turn out the lights and sit in your front room curled in a fetal position untill you die of starvation.

He's totally right...people like Frank Zappa fought for people to express themselves freely, and then you PC morons can't handle anything less than politically correct office cubicle small talk.

FUCK! FUCK! If that hurts you, then you are a pretty pathetic person who should have much more to worry about than someone's potty mouth. You all should get out more. JESUS!

and oh yeah.,..who the living fuck cares if you're kids read my, or anyone else's potty mouth. Children are simply just too sheltered these days. Don't worry though, you're precious little ones (depending on their age) are allready or about to begin cursing up a storm with their friends, looking at pornography and trying cigarrettes. They'll shoplift something, vandalize something, and most likely try pot at least once or twice. If they grow up to be the good little crew cut football star that you wish, they will most likely do all of the above to an obsessive level, and will not waste a moment for their first date rape when they start high school. The ones with the potty mouths and a cigarrette hanging from their lips are the ones you don't have to worry about, to tell you the truth. They won't turn into evil creatures of the night, nope just normal people who aren't sheltered in a stupid little world where everyone is positive and PC all the time. It's all a part of having children so deal with it and quit being such a pussy. Besides, your children are not our responsibility. It's your responsibility to raise what you brought in the world, and not mine. I shouldn't have to change the way I want to speak to help you rear your kids.


and to the moderator...come on dude...pretty lame...I have yet to meet a studio guy who doesn't have a devilish toungue or wicked mind.
 
freakjazz said:
(if an 8 year old kid was in front of you, would you have said those things?
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yes, and he would have laughed his ass off and told all of his friends at school lunch the next day, still remaining a perfectly normal human being without any resulting emotional damage.
 
freakjazz said:
Of course, SaTaN, you feed the frenzy! It's viewpoints like yours that make women feel that they have to use there bodies to get what they want in the first place. You say,

"If chicks want to be in the entertainment industry ...there's porno"

I say, "As long as there are manipulating jerks in the business, women will continue to get used and abused!"

Do you see everything for face value, or do you actually think sometimes? I'm not trying to disrespect you, I just can't fingure out your logic..

No one made any comments about my previous post. I'm curious to see what people think.

Regardless, point taken S8-N. However, this shallow view of sexy looks takes place all over the entertainment industry. (With few exceptions..) The thing is, as long as people keep thinking like you, the labels, prod. co's, and producers will keep doing it. Plain and simple. J

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humour is the best medicine, not to sound overly cheezy. Lagh at the world and you will suddenly be awakened to how theriputic it can be. People who take everything so seriously, just end up depressed all the time.
 
I thought that this was the Mix/Master BBS???
One problem with inapropriate language is that it brings the level of cred down . Also, it wastes valuable server space. There is a BBS , Dragon Cave, that specializes in whatever you feel the need to say, without much censorship. To use foul language here dis's the rest of us who read the posts with a high degree of interest looking for info and advice.
It's not that we haven't heard it before, it's that it tags you as a person who is not functioning at the same level as the rest of us. If that was me , I'd do my best to hide my deficiency from my peers. Self censorship is like not taking a dump in your friends living room. While it is possible to do it, it's probably not a good idea...Oh and your friend might rub you nose in it.

chazba
 
If I invite you over to my house, and you start talking trash about women and using a lot of four letter words, and I ask you to tone it down, is that censorship? This is in fact someones pad that they invited you to hang out at, and I see nothing wrong with them asking that folks follow certain basic standards of decency and mutual respect.

There are real abuses of our right to free speech occuring, ones that aim to silence those who would try to stop immoral wars for profit and power mongering. Ones that aim to disenfranchise the underclass and concentrate wealth and power to the haves, and even to stifle the right to vote of the have nots. Calling this an attack on free speech is, in a realized view of our world, very small minded.
I defend your right to say whatever you want to say, amoungst the company of like minded individuals. But knowingly and deliberately offending others is not a right, it's a wrong. I hope you get that someday. ;)
 
You guys DO realize that you're responding to a thread that ended in 1999?
 
TerraMortim said:
yes, and he would have laughed his ass off and told all of his friends at school lunch the next day, still remaining a perfectly normal human being without any resulting emotional damage.
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Uh, that 8 year old kid would now be 16 . . . :rolleyes:
 
Dohhhh!! Here I thought I was being profound, and I was really just having a bowel movement. :o

In the immortal words of Emily Litella (Gilda Radner),

Oh, um.......never mind.
 
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I like

I LIKE censorship actually. I think it has its place in controlling society. And i think society should be controlled, and in almost all cases throughout history it HAS been controlled as much as it could be by the powers who could control it. Which i think is a good thing.

Before you riot because there is not a person alive who doesnt spring to life to bash censorship at all costs whenever it is mentioned, let me ask you this:

Have you seen people? Have you seen what people do and say? People are idiots. Sometimes they can be pleasant things. But for the most part people do whatever they want for their own good and they dont know their own opinion until something tells them. Do you think that a government telling a person how to live is any different than tv or music or even culture itself? Cause people copy everything they see on their own. They self censor their identities every day. Thats why you see most people are just copies of other kinds of people. Rebellion has a face, a name, a look, and its so predictable it hurts. That is the worst censorship of all, self imposed rules of what is what based on ones own past associations. So i say, fix that first.

People are dumb and must be controlled. Its one of those things that shouldnt need to be true, but is.

Whats funny to me is WHAT people use their "freedom of speech" for. A person who exhausts their freedom of speech on vulgarity or slandering of already ridiculous and archaic notions such as religion always seems to feel so proud of themselves, so unique. I laugh at those people man. Its like college chicks "finding themselves" by doing drugs and sleeping around. Its hilarious how people rationalize their sleaziness with symbols like "freedom".
 
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............................Wake me up in another 8 years.
 
S8-N said:
In fact I think TAD is a better band but that comes from someone who has never heard a Nirvana album... Their music still permeates the airwaves around here, and I'll admit that Cobain is a good singer but as far as singer/guitarists go... I'll give Tad Doyle my vote. I have seen 'em live and I am very critical of singer/guitarists. It's all a matter of taste I guess.
Both bands' songs sound like they were written in about 3 minutes each... Tad has more balls though... Kurt just whined alot.
And another thing... The Tad songs that you refer to are off of their first recordings... Their later stuff (Inhaler, Infra red riding hood) is much better.
S8-N
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I thought I was the only on whe even had a couple tad albums;)

F.S.
 
Good Friend said:
Do you think that a government telling a person how to live is any different than tv or music or even culture itself?
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Ummm... yes... there is a HUGE fundamental difference.

One expects compliance thru pursuasion, the other thru force. One gives YOU a choice, the other does not. You think thats the same?
 
chazba said:
I thought that this was the Mix/Master BBS???
One problem with inapropriate language is that it brings the level of cred down . Also, it wastes valuable server space. There is a BBS , Dragon Cave, that specializes in whatever you feel the need to say, without much censorship. To use foul language here dis's the rest of us who read the posts with a high degree of interest looking for info and advice.
It's not that we haven't heard it before, it's that it tags you as a person who is not functioning at the same level as the rest of us. If that was me , I'd do my best to hide my deficiency from my peers. Self censorship is like not taking a dump in your friends living room. While it is possible to do it, it's probably not a good idea...Oh and your friend might rub you nose in it.

chazba
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the word fuck is one of the most versitile words in the english language. If you are stupid enough to judge smeone by their level of obscenity, then you really should get out more.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
You guys DO realize that you're responding to a thread that ended in 1999?
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hmm weird...why did it appear as new. I just noticed that. Some sort of scripting error? Looks like I might be the first person to "bring it back" even though it showed up as the first thread on here the other day,


haha

oh well
 
TerraMortim said:
hmm weird...why did it appear as new. I just noticed that. Some sort of scripting error? Looks like I might be the first person to "bring it back" even though it showed up as the first thread on here the other day,


haha

oh well
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Gidge dug it up and bumped it ;)

The classic thing to do is bump an ancient thread, wait for somebody else to respond, and then delete your post, making the other guy look like the stooge. You have to avoid getting quoted in their response though ;)
 
Good Friend said:
I LIKE censorship actually. I think it has its place in controlling society. And i think society should be controlled, and in almost all cases throughout history it HAS been controlled as much as it could be by the powers who could control it. Which i think is a good thing.

Before you riot because there is not a person alive who doesnt spring to life to bash censorship at all costs whenever it is mentioned, let me ask you this:

Have you seen people? Have you seen what people do and say? People are idiots. Sometimes they can be pleasant things. But for the most part people do whatever they want for their own good and they dont know their own opinion until something tells them. Do you think that a government telling a person how to live is any different than tv or music or even culture itself? Cause people copy everything they see on their own. They self censor their identities every day. Thats why you see most people are just copies of other kinds of people. Rebellion has a face, a name, a look, and its so predictable it hurts. That is the worst censorship of all, self imposed rules of what is what based on ones own past associations. So i say, fix that first.

People are dumb and must be controlled. Its one of those things that shouldnt need to be true, but is.

Whats funny to me is WHAT people use their "freedom of speech" for. A person who exhausts their freedom of speech on vulgarity or slandering of already ridiculous and archaic notions such as religion always seems to feel so proud of themselves, so unique. I laugh at those people man. Its like college chicks "finding themselves" by doing drugs and sleeping around. Its hilarious how people rationalize their sleaziness with symbols like "freedom".
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*slaps my forehead*

what people do and what people say are two entirely different things. Words are harmless, and if words bother someone, it's their own fault for taking things so seriously. It makes me wonder, when someone is bothered by a word, how much else in their life they have to worry about. People must generally have easy lives to have the will to care so much what someone next to them is talking about. Censorship effectively controls thought, making it cultural taboo to actually think without it being handed to them on a plate. There is no freedom in this world EXCEPT freedom of speech. Freedom is just something your government told you about to make you think you weren't always getting screwed. Don't worry, though..it's nothing new, and it'll happen again and again. It's easy to convince people that they are free, so they don't criticize the wrongs being done to them. "What great fortune for governments that men don't think" -Adolf Hitler...it's the model that's been followed time and time again, even far before Hitler was ever born, and remains to be followed today.

If there is to be a difference between having the freedom to express one's religion, and then the freedom to speak with a sailor's toungue, then it's truely not free, is it? Religion is acceptible by society and not "foul" language...so where is the freedom? Yes, almost EVERYONE is simply full of shit, on both sides... but there are those who are rational and use logic and common sense to guide their reality. There may be some bits allong the way where it is incorrect, but certainly more correct than those who just grab on to whatever popular public idea they more closely identify with (or whatever their friends identify with). There are plenty of these protesting morons who are just as bad as the idiots they protest. Often, they just use the protesting as a means of gaining more respect among their friends, or just for the sake of the fashion of it. Protesting doesn't work, anyway. The thing is, no one claims to be the first one to flaunt their freedom of speech...if they do, they don't know much about the world they live in. You SHOULD be proud of the fact that you don't repress yourself, and allow yourself to be exactly who you want to be, to speak what's on your mind without this false superstition that certain words will damn you. Most people don't reach that point in their lives even when they are in their elderly years. Most people don't mature above a middle school level their entire lives. It's like rising above the here and now..what this particular society arbitrarily deems as obscene. It really is a wonderful feeling, that anyone who has grown out of normal thought should be really fucking proud of. Sometimes these people that you mention do it for the reaction. There is a certain fun in the game of offending people. It's hillarious to watch reactions...wouldn't be so fun without them.

with that said. You are absolutely correct about people. Yes, people cannot handle to govern themselves. We are a complete failure as a species. Actions and words are two different things, though. Remember, words are pretty much the only thing that REALLY gives you freedom. Don't allow people to at least take that away. Controling language controls thought. Really, don't worry about the majority of people, because they WANT to be controled. They won't admit it, even to themselves, but they crave to be told what to be doing and saying at all times...that way they can have more time to pick up members of the oposite gender and have sex with them. They don't need to be censored, as they are just following allong with whatever public oppinion is all the rage at any given time. They'll be controled because they allow themselves to be... Censoring speech is in effect censoring the thought process, yes that includes being a potty mouth as well... those words are all a part of our language... some have a certain passion behind them, or simply work to drive your point home in a blunter way.

Plus.... LIGHTEN UP! Fuck will not send you or anyone to hell. Words will do nothing to harm anyone. Don't even bring up the usual "well...words are the cause for the holicaust"... no... greedy sons of bitches were responsible, and peoples' tendancy to blame everyone else for their problems, and these greedy pigs' oportunism to take advantage of it. That was it. If people weren't so irrational in their own right, they would just laugh off the words for what they were... theater.
 
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