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David1
New member
Sure I want to be here, Its fun.
If you don't like what I say, Don't read it. Now what can be simpler than that.
If you don't like what I say, Don't read it. Now what can be simpler than that.
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seriousturtle
New member
uh, so anyways, how about the mic?
(boy, is it hot in here?)
(boy, is it hot in here?)
ola
Newbie
OK, here goes... (I am sure you-know-who will call me a little child as well)
David1 - How can you be so pathetic as to claim that you are done here and must move on to find someone of your intellectual level? You really need to calm down or at least give us some proof of your intellectual superiority. (When you present this proof, please do not misspell it. It really takes away the credibility.) Who are you anyway? It is easy to claim that you know all these famous musicians and instrument makers and that you are a part of the inner circle when you are safe behind an anonymous alias.
As for machine built instruments versus handmade ones – I’m pretty sure that we can agree on the difference between the two concepts. Right? Handmade does not imply that you cut the body with your fingernails or use your palms as sandpaper. Handmade means that the instrument is build, or at least finished, by hand although tools are involved. It also, usually, means that the one who built the instrument knew what he or she was doing and could adjust all the little details depending on the characteristics of the materials involved in order to make the instrument as playable and well-sounding as the material allows. Do we agree on this or should we continue to ramble about houses without soul?
I do not play Carvin or any other of the brands mentioned. I play an old acoustic US made Sigma Martin (late sixties, I am told). This particular guitar was probably pretty mediocre when it was built, as the details did not get as much attention as the “real” Martins at the time of building it. However, a friend of mine, who is a very skilled instrument maker, has made a lot of modifications to it and this guitar sounds amazing and is second, in my opinion, only to his guitar, which was built from scratch by an even better maker, using the best material he could find. I have tried lots of guitars and have found none that sounds better in any shop, regardless of brand and price. Some have come close and they have ranged from mass-produced to vintage. The mass produced have all had one thing in common, it has always been only one in a row of several “exactly the same” guitars that have sounded good. However, if you build an instrument from the best material available and maintain it, it will sound too good to be true after several years of playing and maturing. This of course requires that the maker is experienced and know which designs that age well and which that do not. It takes a really good maker to build an instrument that sounds fairly good the first year but fantastic for the years to come after that. Also, it takes a pretty experienced player to recognise this.
/Ola
David1 - How can you be so pathetic as to claim that you are done here and must move on to find someone of your intellectual level? You really need to calm down or at least give us some proof of your intellectual superiority. (When you present this proof, please do not misspell it. It really takes away the credibility.) Who are you anyway? It is easy to claim that you know all these famous musicians and instrument makers and that you are a part of the inner circle when you are safe behind an anonymous alias.
As for machine built instruments versus handmade ones – I’m pretty sure that we can agree on the difference between the two concepts. Right? Handmade does not imply that you cut the body with your fingernails or use your palms as sandpaper. Handmade means that the instrument is build, or at least finished, by hand although tools are involved. It also, usually, means that the one who built the instrument knew what he or she was doing and could adjust all the little details depending on the characteristics of the materials involved in order to make the instrument as playable and well-sounding as the material allows. Do we agree on this or should we continue to ramble about houses without soul?
I do not play Carvin or any other of the brands mentioned. I play an old acoustic US made Sigma Martin (late sixties, I am told). This particular guitar was probably pretty mediocre when it was built, as the details did not get as much attention as the “real” Martins at the time of building it. However, a friend of mine, who is a very skilled instrument maker, has made a lot of modifications to it and this guitar sounds amazing and is second, in my opinion, only to his guitar, which was built from scratch by an even better maker, using the best material he could find. I have tried lots of guitars and have found none that sounds better in any shop, regardless of brand and price. Some have come close and they have ranged from mass-produced to vintage. The mass produced have all had one thing in common, it has always been only one in a row of several “exactly the same” guitars that have sounded good. However, if you build an instrument from the best material available and maintain it, it will sound too good to be true after several years of playing and maturing. This of course requires that the maker is experienced and know which designs that age well and which that do not. It takes a really good maker to build an instrument that sounds fairly good the first year but fantastic for the years to come after that. Also, it takes a pretty experienced player to recognise this.
/Ola
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MrLip
New member
"cut the body with your fingernails " LOL
Hey guys don't take this David1 guy so seriously, seems to me he's just looking for some ATTENTION.
Guess his mama didn't give him enough.
(uh oh, I'm in trouble now~~!)
Hey guys don't take this David1 guy so seriously, seems to me he's just looking for some ATTENTION.
Guess his mama didn't give him enough.
(uh oh, I'm in trouble now~~!)
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Flyboy
New member
Coincidently, I was watching the Eagles, Hell Freezes Over DVD last night and couldn't help but notice Timothy Schmit playing a white Carvin bass just like I've seen him in all those Carvin catalogs that used to come to my house (I'm a bass player - Fender Jazz Deluxe). I thought it sounded great, but what really blew me away was when he played another Carvin fretless on a song. Absolutely beautiful tone. But I sat there wondering what the odds of me ordering that bass over the phone and getting one that sounded near as good were.
My only close hand experience with Carvin was a guitar player in a band I used to sit in on. Sounded horrid, really drew attention to itself. Maybe it was his setup, but it was enough to convince me to steer clear.
My only close hand experience with Carvin was a guitar player in a band I used to sit in on. Sounded horrid, really drew attention to itself. Maybe it was his setup, but it was enough to convince me to steer clear.
ola
Newbie
I think it all boils down to the setup, regardless of maker. I bet there's someone at Carvin who's kick-arse at building basses and that builds/sets up the pro's instruments and that he or she does not pay as much attention to the consumer instruments. I know from own experience that the cheap (<500$) guitars that my friend has fixed sounds better than the Martins I tried off the shelf. The cheap ones will of course not stand the test of time or age with dignity and if my friend gave a Martin the same treatment, it would be better still. It's a pity though that the makers of the cheap guitars don't spend a few extra bucks on the bridge and nut. Often all that's needed is installing a real bone brigde and nut and intonate the beast and you increased the tone of a cheap instrument a lot.
/Ola
/Ola
Treeline
New member
What is it with all this brand loyalty crap, anyway? This thread reads like a debate between the Progressive Coalition and the Rotary Club just before a Presidential primary and after a few pops.
Pulleeeze!
How about hearing from someone who's actually tried the mic? I mean, about whether they could turn it on and stuff. Would that be asking too much?
Or, hey - get this one - maybe decent guitars actually can be made in factories! And they don't even have to be made out of curly Koa! And just maybe there's a market for a guitar that works for $600.00 EVEN IF the superstars don't really use it.
Imagine that.
Oh, and nobody cares who wins, because the winners left the party early.
I have to go polish my Silvertone now. See ya later.
Pulleeeze!
How about hearing from someone who's actually tried the mic? I mean, about whether they could turn it on and stuff. Would that be asking too much?
Or, hey - get this one - maybe decent guitars actually can be made in factories! And they don't even have to be made out of curly Koa! And just maybe there's a market for a guitar that works for $600.00 EVEN IF the superstars don't really use it.
Imagine that.
Oh, and nobody cares who wins, because the winners left the party early.
I have to go polish my Silvertone now. See ya later.