Carving Out EQ Niches

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Come on Ed, come on Keith! What are you so afraid of? You phoneys can dish it out but you can't take it? You don't like the taste of your own medicine? Or are you just afraid of the honest truth? I have been putting up with this shit for 2 1/2 years from you phonies; are you guys getting too rattled after 24 hours to answer some questions we all want to know?

Its your turn now to answer some honest questions. We're all waiting...

Come on, Ed, tell us all, including those who were here for it when it happened, just why you have been banned from this board?

Tell us why, if you are not walters, why you practically bragged about it to me when giving me neg rep in the last walters thread?

Where is your studio now, Ed? The one for which you allegedly have pulled the advertising banners for? And why were they pulled?

You have made a lot of noise lately about having worked at a lot of different studios, having put in some 40,000 hours (!) recording and mixing for clients. Please tell us, what are the names of these studios for which you have worked and where are they located?

Please tell us where youur website is located, and where is the obligatory resume/bio that details your history of 40,000 hours of audio engineering experience?

And we're still waiting for your answers, too Keith.

Why do you have a resume page on one of your websites (the other website has no such kind of page) that has remained blank and collecting dust since it's inception? Don't you have even one single credit to fill in there?

Is the fact that you are using commercial copyrighted material from someone else to show off your "work" the reason why you are hiding that website from us? or is it that the website is just plain bogus overall?

And we're still waiting for an explanation of your equipment list on your other website, Keith. Just how DO you track multi-miked drums and not be what you call "stupid" with the limited number of preamps you have listed? And where did the bran "Pro Tools-like" come from. Trying to sound bigger than you are, Keith, even though you love to bask Pro Tools all over this board? Is that a fancy name for N-Tracks or Audacity?

And why, on your two websites to you publically announce multiple times to the entire world your full name, address, phone number, fax number, and door buzzer location, yet when someone calls you by your first name you get all angry that your anonymity has somehow been comprimised? Are you THAT ashamed of your behavior here?

And what's with your sales campaign to call yourself the Simon Cowell-like "opinionated studio owner" of Moon Unit Labs and AudioForVideo.net in the tag line for a number of online articles and product reviews where you tout yourself as the big-time expert; yet when someone with actual experience and a real resume spanning 28 years in the field trys putting up his own stuff informational material, you crucify him for doing so, and further have the big brass balls to actually accuse him of having too much "attitude"?

Come Ed, Come on Keith. Let's hear some answers for you two for a change, maybe for the next two years, just to even the score?

Prove the rest of this board wrong when we increasingly realize that you two are the very phoneys you try to accuse everybody else of being.

G.

 

[chessrock]

If I answer, will you post MP3's ?



Didn't think so.

Move along. Nothing interesting to see here.

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[SouthSIDE Glen]

Come on Keith, I have already done my part answering your accusations for 2 1/2 years. I have not been afraid to answer them more times than most reasonable men would put up with. It's your turn now.

Why do you have a resume page on one of your websites (the other website has no such kind of page) that has remained blank and collecting dust since it's inception? Don't you have even one single credit to fill in there? You have questioned my credentials, and I have provided them to everybody many, many times. Why are you afraid to do it just once? Is it because you don't actully have any?

Is the fact that you are probably illegally using commercial copyrighted material from someone else to show off your "work" the reason why you are hiding that website from us? or is it that the website is just plain bogus overall?

And we're still waiting for an explanation of your equipment list on your other website, Keith. Just how DO you track multi-miked drums and not be what you call "stupid" with the limited number of preamps you have listed? And where did the bran "Pro Tools-like" come from. Trying to sound bigger than you are, Keith, even though you love to bash Pro Tools all over this board? Is that a fancy name for N-Tracks or Audacity?

And why, on your two websites to you publically announce multiple times to the entire world your full name, address, phone number, fax number, and door buzzer location, yet when someone calls you by your first name you get all angry that your anonymity has somehow been comprimised? Are you THAT ashamed of your behavior here?

And what's with your sales campaign to call yourself the Simon Cowell-like "opinionated studio owner" of Moon Unit Labs and AudioForVideo.net in the tag line for a number of online articles and product reviews where you tout yourself as the big-time expert; yet when someone with actual experience and a real resume spanning 28 years in the field trys putting up his own stuff informational material, you crucify him for doing so, and further have the big brass balls to actually accuse him of having too much "attitude"?

Come on Keith. Let's hear some answers for you for a change, maybe for the next two and a half years, just to even the score?

Prove the rest of this board wrong when we realize that you are the very phoney you try to accuse everybody else of being.

G.

 

[chessrock]

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[chessrock]

Why do you have a resume page on one of your websites (the other website has no such kind of page) that has remained blank and collecting dust since it's inception?

Because I never got around to finishing it.

Don't you have even one single credit to fill in there?

Sound design and Audio post are something I barely ever do any more. Why even bother with it? You apparently used to do a lot of video editing tech work yourself. You should know what the Chicago production market is like. Or isn't like.

Is the fact that you are probably illegally using commercial copyrighted material from someone else to show off your "work" the reason why you are hiding that website from us? or is it that the website is just plain bogus overall?

Like I said ... I only do the occasional audio post job. I'm not hiding it .. it's just not a huge priority right now. There's not a "booming" (pun intended) market for freelance Sound Designers and Audio Post guys in this city. The ad agencies prefer to work with established names; ARU, Swell, CRC/Filmworkers, etc. And the Indie film "directors" would rather just not pay you. Again, not a huge priority. You're probably the only guy besides myself who's even bothered looking at that site in the last year.

And by the way, I'm actually quite flattered by the fact that you believe I "ripped off" the work. Because everything you hear on those examples ... is 100% mine, or damn close to it. About half the sound effects are original non-library (which I gathered on-location, oftentimes around the streets of our beloved Chicago). Same goes for the foley work and the ADR. Some of the examples were 100% re-creations of mine, from the ground up, with nothing but the original actor dialog to work with.

In some cases (as with the Fallon BMW spot) ... I managed to have some contacts at the agency level (in lovely Minnesota) who were generous enough to forward me some of the original Quicktimes ... or they were situations where I was putting in "spec" work; pro-bono jobs with the possibility of having my work picked up. And hey, if I'm not going to get paid for it, I'm sure as hell going to put it in my portfolio. What you heard on the final, broadcast comercial may not have been mine, but the spec work had hours and hours of my sweat put in to it ... and if you give my versions a listen (on my site, which I believe you did), I think you'll agree it sounds every bit as good, if not better, than what ultimately made the final cut. And I happen to be very proud of it, thank you.

And we're still waiting for an explanation of your equipment list on your other website, Keith. Just how DO you track multi-miked drums and not be what you call "stupid" with the limited number of preamps you have listed?

I have no idea what you're refering to here with the "stupid" thing. On my web site, you'll notice I've got a Sytek ... that's 4 channels. An "NW Soundman special" tube pre, which is 2 more. An Audio Upgrades High Speed for 2 more. Two hot-rodded Symetrix 528's, so now we're at 10. Throw in a Rane MS-1B and a Soutracs Topaz Project mixer for 11 more channels. That's plenty.

I may have failed to list the Topaz, the 528's and the Rane on the site. Thanks for pointing that out. Shoot me.

And where did the bran "Pro Tools-like" come from.

Those aren't my words. Here's what I say on my site: "It's a harddisk non-linear system very similar to your standard Pro Tools rig. However, it is a more custom setup that I feel gets better sound quality and allows for quicker operation and editing/mixing features."

Which is exactly what it is. It's a freakin' DAW. For those who don't know any better -- which includes about 90% of anyone who calls -- if I tell people it's a DAW ... they have no idea what the hell I'm saying. So I figure if I tell them it's kinda' like Pro Tools, I'm certainly not lying or over-billing. It's simply a point of refernce that the common musician is familiar with.

As for the sound quality and editing features ... I do think it's better than a Pro Tools setup. It might be the fastest, most intuitive, and most resource-efficient setup I've used (Software is mostly Soundforge/Sony). And by the way, about 1/4 of my work has been freelance at other studios, so I'm familiar with what else is out there, and have a frame of reference.

And why, on your two websites to you publically announce multiple times to the entire world your full name, address, phone number, fax number, and door buzzer location, yet when someone calls you by your first name you get all angry that your anonymity has somehow been comprimised? Are you THAT ashamed of your behavior here?

Call me paranoid, but I just don't think it's a good idea to advertise your personal information on public message boards.

No offense, but you're proving to be kind of a creep. And given the fact that only about 25% of the people who frequent these boards actually post while the rest spectate ... I'm even more afraid of the other weirdos out there who don't even post. Ones that might even be weirder than you.

And particularly when we get in to discussions about gear and what it's worth ... maybe it's wise not to advertise what part of the block you're on, along with where you're damn buzzer is located. Call me crazy.

And what's with your sales campaign to call yourself the Simon Cowell-like "opinionated studio owner" of Moon Unit Labs and AudioForVideo.net in the tag line for a number of online articles and product reviews where you tout yourself as the big-time expert ...

Ask Steve Langer about that one. His words - not mine. He used to post here back in the day (and still does occasionally as "Ozraves"), and he and I were pretty like-minded. Anyway, he liked my writing style on the board ... and thought it might be fun to have me write a few things for his Mojo Pie site.

Maybe the additional billing he gave me was merely a means of flattery, but either way, I just got a chuckle out of it and enjoyed writing the pieces, pro bono. To this day, I get random guys emailing me out of nowhere telling me they like and appreciate the pieces, which is really great fun to me.

As for why I accuse a guy like yourself of having a "swagger" ... well, because you do. Your attitude borders on "know-it-all," ... and the reason I have no respect for your 28 years or whatever it is ... is because I have no evidence to support your stature. Frankly, the fact that you're about the only audio guy online who doesn't like to share his work ... makes me think that you're not very confident in your own abilities. Which, in turn, duesn't give me a lot of confidence in your abilities.

I hope you like my answers, because I did about the best I could to address them. Enjoy yourself, Glen. It was fun. Till next time .. I'm putting you back on "ignore." It's been real.

Creep.

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[Ford Van]

Because I never got around to finishing it.



Sound design and Audio post are something I barely ever do any more. Why even bother with it? You apparently used to do a lot of video editing tech work yourself. You should know what the Chicago production market is like. Or isn't like.



Like I said ... I only do the occasional audio post job. I'm not hiding it .. it's just not a huge priority right now. There's not a "booming" (pun intended) market for freelance Sound Designers and Audio Post guys in this city. The ad agencies prefer to work with established names; ARU, Swell, CRC/Filmworkers, etc. And the Indie film "directors" would rather just not pay you. Again, not a huge priority. You're probably the only guy besides myself who's even bothered looking at that site in the last year.

And by the way, I'm actually quite flattered by the fact that you believe I "ripped off" the work. Because everything you hear on those examples ... is 100% mine, or damn close to it. About half the sound effects are original non-library (which I gathered on-location, oftentimes around the streets of our beloved Chicago). Same goes for the foley work and the ADR. Some of the examples were 100% re-creations of mine, from the ground up, with nothing but the original actor dialog to work with.

In some cases (as with the Fallon BMW spot) ... I managed to have some contacts at the agency level (in lovely Minnesota) who were generous enough to forward me some of the original Quicktimes ... or they were situations where I was putting in "spec" work; pro-bono jobs with the possibility of having my work picked up. And hey, if I'm not going to get paid for it, I'm sure as hell going to put it in my portfolio. What you heard on the final, broadcast comercial may not have been mine, but the spec work had hours and hours of my sweat put in to it ... and if you give my versions a listen (on my site, which I believe you did), I think you'll agree it sounds every bit as good, if not better, than what ultimately made the final cut. And I happen to be very proud of it, thank you.



I have no idea what you're refering to here with the "stupid" thing. On my web site, you'll notice I've got a Sytek ... that's 4 channels. An "NW Soundman special" tube pre, which is 2 more. An Audio Upgrades High Speed for 2 more. Two hot-rodded Symetrix 528's, so now we're at 10. Throw in a Rane MS-1B and a Soutracs Topaz Project mixer for 11 more channels. That's plenty.

I may have failed to list the Topaz, the 528's and the Rane on the site. Thanks for pointing that out. Shoot me.



Those aren't my words. Here's what I say on my site: "It's a harddisk non-linear system very similar to your standard Pro Tools rig. However, it is a more custom setup that I feel gets better sound quality and allows for quicker operation and editing/mixing features."

Which is exactly what it is. It's a freakin' DAW. For those who don't know any better -- which includes about 90% of anyone who calls -- if I tell people it's a DAW ... they have no idea what the hell I'm saying. So I figure if I tell them it's kinda' like Pro Tools, I'm certainly not lying or over-billing. It's simply a point of refernce that the common musician is familiar with.

As for the sound quality and editing features ... I do think it's better than a Pro Tools setup. It might be the fastest, most intuitive, and most resource-efficient setup I've used (Software is mostly Soundforge/Sony). And by the way, about 1/4 of my work has been freelance at other studios, so I'm familiar with what else is out there, and have a frame of reference.



Call me paranoid, but I just don't think it's a good idea to advertise your personal information on public message boards.

No offense, but you're proving to be kind of a creep. And given the fact that only about 25% of the people who frequent these boards actually post while the rest spectate ... I'm even more afraid of the other weirdos out there who don't even post. Ones that might even be weirder than you.

And particularly when we get in to discussions about gear and what it's worth ... maybe it's wise not to advertise what part of the block you're on, along with where you're damn buzzer is located. Call me crazy.



Ask Steve Langer about that one. His words - not mine. He used to post here back in the day (and still does occasionally as "Ozraves"), and he and I were pretty like-minded. Anyway, he liked my writing style on the board ... and thought it might be fun to have me write a few things for his Mojo Pie site.

Maybe the additional billing he gave me was merely a means of flattery, but either way, I just got a chuckle out of it and enjoyed writing the pieces, pro bono. To this day, I get random guys emailing me out of nowhere telling me they like and appreciate the pieces, which is really great fun to me.

As for why I accuse a guy like yourself of having a "swagger" ... well, because you do. Your attitude borders on "know-it-all," ... and the reason I have no respect for your 28 years or whatever it is ... is because I have no evidence to support your stature. Frankly, the fact that you're about the only audio guy online who doesn't like to share his work ... makes me think that you're not very confident in your own abilities. Which, in turn, duesn't give me a lot of confidence in your abilities.

I hope you like my answers, because I did about the best I could to address them. Enjoy yourself, Glen. It was fun. Till next time .. I'm putting you back on "ignore." It's been real.

Creep.

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Does this mean now that he is going to post his mp3's?

 

[60's guy]

I've learned a lot from reading posts by Southside Glen and many others.

Ed Rei (Ford Van) and Keith Ricker (Chessrock) will sooner or later learn to just SHUT THE FUCK UP.

As experienced and intelligent as Ford Van and Chessrock are...they just never know when to shut their fucking mouths.

Between the two them they fucked up what could have been a truly informative thread.

 

[chessrock]

Between the two them they fucked up what could have been a truly informative thread.

Just thought you'd poke your head up from the Cave for a few moments to say that ?

 

[Ford Van]

I've learned a lot from reading posts by Southside Glen and many others.

Ed Rei (Ford Van) and Keith Ricker (Chessrock) will sooner or later learn to just SHUT THE FUCK UP.

As experienced and intelligent as Ford Van and Chessrock are...they just never know when to shut their fucking mouths.

Between the two them they fucked up what could have been a truly informative thread.

And I see that YOUR contribution to this thread helped it in what way?

Hypocrite!

 

[danny.guitar]

I must say though, just before the bass starts in dollar life song 2, you can hear a slight pop and hiss, as recording starts. Not good, especially that it's so easy to sort.

There's a thousand professionally done songs with little pops, hisses, etc. Hell, there's a solo piano piece I'm listening to now and it has extremely obvious punch-ins ("Because I love you" by Richard Clayderman?).

Music isn't perfect and that's what makes it interesting. My unbiased opinion is I think his recordings sound great and not at a home recording level.

Anyway, this thread didn't have much potential unless the guy posted clips. Asking what kind of EQ curves to use to balance out a song is pointless without hearing clips (I apologize if he posted some but I missed it throughout all the tons of amazing advice in this thread. ).

 

[60's guy]

And I see that YOUR contribution to this thread helped it in what way?

Hypocrite!

Only to say that I listened to tracks recorded by Chessrock

Angry Gods

How It was b4

Moonshowers

Jimdeere

All 4 tracks were filled with distorted samples and went waaaaaaay beyond 0dB.

I'm not impressed.

I'm feeling let down.

Chessrock was my hero.

I should have known better than to put faith into an internet hero.



Distot

 

[legionserial]

*...yawn...*

 

[chessrock]

All 4 tracks were filled with distorted samples and went waaaaaaay beyond 0dB.

Turn it down, dumbass.


Those aren't even the right samples. Where the hell did you dig those up?

Jesus Christ.

Go here:

http://www.geocities.com/moonunitsl/examples1.html

And turn your fekin' media player down for cryin' out loud.

Holy Christ.

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[Nakatira]

Turn it down, dumbass.


Those aren't even the right samples. Where the hell did you dig those up?

Jesus Christ.

Go here:

http://www.geocities.com/moonunitsl/examples1.html

And turn your fekin' media player down for cryin' out loud.

Holy Christ.

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Was that a prayer?

 

[chessrock]

I have been a working musician for 40 years and have encountered all sorts of egos and attitudes from performers, managers, agents, engineers, club owners etc.

.... Yet reading posts from mean people like chessrock on a random internet forum has driven me to cry. I originally came here for advice on EQ. You see, I've been doing this for 40 years and have worked in studios on 3 continents, yet somehow this whole "EQ thing" escapes me. ( ) And although I have a lot of great information going on in my 40 + year old head and lots to contribute .... I figured my very first contribution / introduction to this sight would best be served by calling out a bunch of strangers on a completely random thread.

Anyhow, if I have to read any more mean things, I might go in to convulsions. Unfortunately both my Teddy Bear and my blanky are missing. And I need them both if I am to endure the suffering put forth by such mean comments as those present in this thread by a couple anonymous guys who I don't know.

Thanks, Mr. one post. Got any more gems?

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[chessrock]

Get a life mister 11,000 posts. If you spent more time living a real life instead of jerking off in front of your computer you might have better social skills.....

... Says the guy stirring shit with random, anonymous people while at his computer.

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[SouthSIDE Glen]

Because I never got around to finishing it.
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Sound design and Audio post are something I barely ever do any more. Why even bother with it? You apparently used to do a lot of video editing tech work yourself. You should know what the Chicago production market is like. Or isn't like.

Well, there are two different answers to basically the same question. The first claims that you just simply never got around to filling your resume in. The second that you have no resume because you failed at your business. The second one sounds more far genuine to me. Maybe you are such a bitter jackass online because your so bitter over your failure to actually succeed in this racket?

You're right about one thing, I did - and still do - a lot of video production, support and editing. When I worked for DVision/Discreet Logic in the 90s, I had plenty of client indie production houses that I supported from Elgin and Skokie, to Lincoln Park, to downtown, to Aurora, to Saulk Village who thrived quite nicely in a cottage industry outsourcing work from the Chicago film community. Maybe it's because they were also actually nice people who treated people with respect and didn't criminally stalk their competition like bitter children.

I'll grant you that was 10 years ago, maybe the market has changed since then, I don't know. I just do my own independent editing and production nowdays and am out of the industry loop. But that still doesn't change the fact that you have no resume because you have no actual work history. Your just a phoney with a bit of gear who has recorded a few garage bands and come on here to exercise your bitterness over your lack of actual professional success.

And by the way, I'm actually quite flattered by the fact that you believe I "ripped off" the work. Because everything you hear on those examples ... is 100% mine, or damn close to it.

I'm talking about the fact that you are using the BMW commercials themselves to put your own audio over. You fooled no one. I never even streamed them, BTW, so I have no idea if you did a good job or not.

It doesn't change the fact that you took someone else's copyrighted material for unauthorized use, and only barely imply on the site that you were not part of the original production, but rather leave it for many who will not read close enough that you were in fact the original post sound guy for those spots. Extremely lame. I wouldn't be suprised that that page actually turned pro indie business away because they didn't want to get involved with someone with such shady self-promotion that is quite probably illegal use.

I have no idea what you're refering to here with the "stupid" thing.

Because you don't pay attention to your own posts. You just shoot from the hip at anybody and everybody who happens to walk in front of your radar on days where you're pissed off at the world, and can't remember a few days later what you said, like when you talked about using only three or four mics to record a drum kit as the second stupidest thing you had ever heard. Or, how about this: for someone who has all those top-shelf preamps, it sure is strange that in a recent thread you went to great pains to downplay any import at all to the relevance of preamps.

You and your posts simply cannot be trusted. And note that the fact that you have a few average-sounding MP3s (at least one of which you referred to in another post as one that you "had only a little something to do with the resulting sound") to "back you up" has no relevance to that fact..

Shoot me.

You are in no position on this board to safely make such suggestions. There are plenty of people here seriously considering it. (Not me, I already know your ass is halfway in jail. Much better to to see you alive as the community bitch down at the CCDOC.).

if I tell people it's a DAW ... they have no idea what the hell I'm saying. So I figure if I tell them it's kinda' like Pro Tools, I'm certainly not lying or over-billing. It's simply a point of refernce that the common musician is familiar with.

Oh, please. They have no idea what a Sytek or an NW soudman is either, yet you had no problem listing them specifically. And youre going to try and tell us that if you ID'd your DAW software as being Cubase, or Logic, or Sonar, or SAW, or Sound Forge or Vegas (which is what you now claim to have), that that would confuse the poor little musicians out there? Dazzle them with your bullshit, Keith. to the rest of us it puts you on a lameness par with something like "Mastering by Mail.".

Call me paranoid, but I just don't think it's a good idea to advertise your personal information on public message boards.
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And particularly when we get in to discussions about gear and what it's worth ... maybe it's wise not to advertise what part of the block you're on, along with where you're damn buzzer is located. Call me crazy.

Not crazy, just stupid. And a liar. The fact is you have already given your "personal information" to the entire Internet several times over by putting it right on multiple pages of your two websites, both of which are not only fully public, but to which you actually provide plenty of links and leads to elsewhere. And your gear list is all of about an inch above that information on your website.

The fact is you simply do not want people to know your name here because you know your behavior is shameful and you want to hide who you really are behind your schitzoprenic personna of "chessrock". Wait...that IS crazy afterall.

(It just hit me! Both Keith and Ed display schitzophrenic tendancies on this board. Keith with his total divorcing of himself from his "online character, 'chessrock'", and Ed with his "walters" routine. And here I thought it was only simple sociopathy.)

*shudder*. At least I piss off only the professional crazies.

G.

 

[chessrock]

That was a really amusing and insightful analysis.

Now that I've answered your questions, does this finally mean that you're going to post an MP3 of your "work?"

I'm not holding my breath.

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[Gandalf]

It really has very little to do with your need for some evidence of credibility. You've asked for it enough. It's probably safe to say your not going to get it. What annoys me is the fact that you feel the need to regurgitate the same crap as a response to every post Glen makes. It's fucking boring, and what the hell do you hope to achieve by it? Chess, you and Ford are both smart guys, surely by now you realise Glen isn't going to rise to it? So why bother?

I know exactly why. This has nothing about trying to get some proof of Glens crdibility. No, it's all about trying to prove yourself. Shit, if I had a penny for every fucker like you guys I had to deal with at school, I'd be a fucking millionaire. I mean, lets examine the stereotypical school bully shall we.

School bullies do what they do, not to prove to others, or themselves, the worthlessness of their victim per se, but more to elevate themselves by contrast. To belittle one person so as look like the bigger guy.

Thing is, that's at school. Adult see through it. It's called growing up. Most of us get to the point of being elevated above children in our late teens/early twenties.

I don't give a fuck if either of you have provided some proof of your ability. No one asked you to prove yourself until you started asking others to prove themselves. We don't fucking care. We're just happy to take some advice and try it out. From you, from Glen, from anyone. If it doesn't work, no big deal, we'll come back and read some more advice.

The amount of time you spend writing your bullshit responses to Glen says the most of all. Don't you have anything better to do? I guess not eh?

Credit where credit's due, I have gained a fair bit of useful information from Ford Van, where he has actually made some pretty constructive posts. And you both amuse me at times. However, although I know that you Chess are just as capable of providing some useful information, and proving that you do know what you are talking about, it's just too damn hard to read through the hostility. You remind me of the n00b-baiters in online games. Someone who has lost touch of what it's like to start out learning something. Do you not see how fucking retarded it is belittling someone for not knowing as much as you when they are just asking an honest question? Do you not remember a time where you knew absolutely fuck-all about recording? Oh wait, let me guess, you were born with it right? Right? Didn't think so. All of this makes not only your posts, or your advice, but whatever credentials you have completely fucking worthless. Because all you have proven is that you are incapable of communicating with people at a basic human level.

Grow the hell up. Seriously. Stick to the sharing knowledge. That's all good. But can the fucking bullshit for Christ's sake. Or at least take it to the cave.

Like I say, I am absolutely shocked that a bunch of grown men would feel the need to behave like this. Shit. I'll bet the pair of you still sit on the bus hocking spitballs at the back of people's heads.

So please, stick to the useful stuff. and I know you can both do that very well if you want to. I don't give a shit how much of a fun loving guy you are. you're attempts to elevate yourself above others are not working. In fact you are only acheiving the exact opposite. You want to prove you're better than everyone else? Go ahead. Just try a different approach. Try actually being better than everyone else...now wouldn't that be a novel idea?

to compact my post into one line....What exactly are you hoping to acheive by all of this?

You must spread some rep blah blah........

 

[Ford Van]

That was a really amusing and insightful analysis.

Now that I've answered your questions, does this finally mean that you're going to post an MP3 of your "work?"

I'm not holding my breath.

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No, that isn't how it works with Glen. He wants the fruits of being regarded as a "pro", but doesn't want to burden of proving it.

Talk about a psychopath! The guy pretends to be a pro engineer on a home recording bulletin board.