Carving Out EQ Niches

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I guess maybe it's just me but when I start giving advice to a large number of people, I'm prepared to back it up with some sort of proof that I'm not just talking shit.
Well, i give lots and lots of acoustical advice over at the building forum, and I've not personally got any acoustic treatment yet. BUT, i have learned a hell of a lot and do know a lot, although i do not have personal experience.

I suspect that Glen has sharing his mp3s before, and that ford van and chessrock have been overly critical about every little bit they don't like, just because they don't like Glen. If anyone else had posted the recordings, they would have commended them on their great work. I believe that he may have very good reasons for not sharing his mp3s again, although(in the context of this thread anyway) he has done himself no favours. He has seemed as though he is not confident of his own work, although i suspect that this is because he knows that however good it is, he will be harshly criticized.

I think, that people should take his advice and try it out for themselves. If it is wrong, it won't work, they will hear that, and won't use it.

I'm interested in hearing Glen work, but i understand why he would be unwilling to post a link here. I would also like to see his questions being answered.

Panda.
 
It sounds like something a live sound guy would say.

Absolutely nothing more annoying than live sound guys who think that, because they've done sound for shows / live acts, that they know enough to be recording engineers.
What? like ford van? Have you ever been to his website? That is why he said
Ford Van said:
Actually, I have found that live sound engineers make better studio engineers than the other way around.
I must admit though, I'm learning to be both a live and studio engineer. I've been to college, and am setting up my own business offering both, as well as a few others, such as basic acoustics, retail, promotions, etc.
 
As I see it (granted in my three weeks on the board I have only seen several of these back-and-forths...), Neither of you have answered any of Glen's legitimate questions. I can click on Glen's banner and see the amount of quality work he has done putting together a simple, informative, professional site. I don't see how either of you critics could defend yourselves without a legitimate website. Everyone has a website. Even I do, but it's too crappy to post here ;) But if you guys are equally as "pro" or more so as you claim, then where are your sites and references?
 
As I see it (granted in my three weeks on the board I have only seen several of these back-and-forths...), Neither of you have answered any of Glen's legitimate questions. I can click on Glen's banner and see the amount of quality work he has done putting together a simple, informative, professional site. I don't see how either of you critics could defend yourselves without a legitimate website. Everyone has a website. Even I do, but it's too crappy to post here ;) But if you guys are equally as "pro" or more so as you claim, then where are your sites and references?
Ford van does have a website, well the company he works for. He has a load of clips which you can access by clicking his name.
 
Well I hope it's damn good. It is so stupid for all of us to come into these threads to MAYBE learn something about EQ from the wise ones, then see this crap.

I'm not taking sides but it seems that Glen usually offers advice (good or bad, it's a post and something to try), and then Ford jumps on him, demanding MP3's. I mean, come the F on. Can't you just get a long and both give your own opinions on what the OP asks? I know that i would sure like to hear different opinions on something halfway related to mixing.
 
It sounds like something a live sound guy would say..
You know Chess, I don't ever remember you posting anything helpful. Some funny posts and one liners here, snide remarks and some BS there, but I don't really remember you posting something that someone could actually learn from.

You sit there with your high and mighty attitude and criticise Glen whose posts have been helpful, informative, and respectful to boot.

What use is your knowledge if you don’t have the decency to share with people who know less… actually forget the help… the decency of showing some humility?

In the end, with your crappy attitude you’re not really hurting Glen, you’re losing respect. I don’t ever remember hearing any of your stuff to know if you’re as good as you think you are. To me, you are just one of the clowns here on this board, good for amusement only.

So, if I had a choice between your idiotic comments, or Glen’s posts, I’d take Glen’s posts any time of the day over yours.

As I grow older, I realise that those that really know their stuff, are also the most humble and respectful people, if only because they’ve got nothing to prove, and don’t have any insecurities. They don’t feel the need to bring someone else down so they can shine, because they shine regardless of others.

Grow up.
 
I've seen a lot of helpful posts from Chessrock. And Fordvan. And Glen.

So why not just make up, give each other a few handjobs and be done with it?

Glen apparently has a reason he doesn't want to share his recordings. They could be:

a) He doesn't have any
b) He's afraid they'll be nitpicked to excruciating detail and that people will no longer think his advice is worthy
c) He's perfectly fine with his recordings and doesn't have anything to prove

Either way, I don't care. I don't think anyone else cares. So that kind of makes the arguing pretty pointless, don't you think?
 
Jeez.. Ask a basic EQ question, and get a flamewar..

My two cents, is that I'm willing to listen to anyone's comments on mixing and mastering, and I don't need to hear their MP3s to pass judgement on their ideas or suggestions.

Sorry to have started this. I was just looking for some simple advice. Mods need to lock this thread before anyone else wastes their time looking through it.
 
It's not your fault man. For some reason Chess and Ford Van have decided to run a slander campaign against Glen. Pretty much all the posts turn into this around here nowdays.
 
It's not your fault man. For some reason Chess and Ford Van have decided to run a slander campaign against Glen. Pretty much all the posts turn into this around here nowdays.


I'll reiterate; if you go back and read the posts thus far ... I don't see any sort of slander campaign going on at all.

Now anyone who's read my posts over the last year or so ... knows that there's not exactly a lot of love lost between Fordvan and myself. :D So this certainly isn't about me defending the guy. Let's just get that straight.

But if you go back and look through this thread ... all I see is a few guys who are making a very legitimate request. In order for Fordvan (and Hangdawg and myself) to take the guy's statements and credibility seriously, he has to hear some evidence. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Fordvan is the type who gives advice, and then qualifies his statements in the way that he finds meaningful - by posting actual examples of his work. And he tends to expect a little of the same out of others before he hands out his respect. Certainly nothing cruel, unusual, or slanderous about it at all. That's just the way Fordvan roles.

I happen to feel the same way, and I had a little fun with it and joked around a bit about the whole thing. As much as it might pain some of you ... that's kinda' the way I tend to roll with things. I'm not an overly serious cat. As negative as I can be, belive it or not, there's still not a whole lot of seriousness to any of it (think of me as Home Recording's Lewis Black).

I'm sorry if this disrupts you guys' collective world. I'll gladly send you all a bunch of hankies to dry your tears with. I'll even stitch the words "Chessrock is mean" in to the cloth as a reminder of just what cruel and heartless human beings we are for even questioning the wondrous Southside Glen's "audio sainthood."

Back to your regularly scheduled programming I guess.

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What makes you think you deserve respect? (Maybe try giving some once and while).

And who cares about Ford Van's respect? Or really anyone's? It's a fucking message board.

The dude asks a question, probably just looking for some good answers. I like the advice given so far...:rolleyes:

From now on I think I'll discourage people from using the search function. :D It'd be a blast searching for an answer, seeing a lot of threads with 200 replies, only to read through it and find it's another one like this. :rolleyes:
 
And who cares about Ford Van's respect? Or really anyone's? It's a fucking message board.

Yea, you're right. It is a fucking message board.

:rolleyes:

Why does everyone have to refrain from saying certain things, or asking certain things of people ... just because it doesn't adhere to your standards of a perfect discussion where everyone is civil to one another all the time?

Sometimes certain peoples' comments aren't going to promote love and fellowship among all members to where everyone gets in a circle and chants Kum-ba-ya. :D

Take the good with the bad. As intollerable as some of this is to your standards of decency ... this place would be pretty damn boring if we all agreed and respected one another all the time on every subject.

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It really has very little to do with your need for some evidence of credibility. You've asked for it enough. It's probably safe to say your not going to get it. What annoys me is the fact that you feel the need to regurgitate the same crap as a response to every post Glen makes. It's fucking boring, and what the hell do you hope to achieve by it? Chess, you and Ford are both smart guys, surely by now you realise Glen isn't going to rise to it? So why bother?

I know exactly why. This has nothing about trying to get some proof of Glens crdibility. No, it's all about trying to prove yourself. Shit, if I had a penny for every fucker like you guys I had to deal with at school, I'd be a fucking millionaire. I mean, lets examine the stereotypical school bully shall we.

School bullies do what they do, not to prove to others, or themselves, the worthlessness of their victim per se, but more to elevate themselves by contrast. To belittle one person so as look like the bigger guy.

Thing is, that's at school. Adult see through it. It's called growing up. Most of us get to the point of being elevated above children in our late teens/early twenties.

I don't give a fuck if either of you have provided some proof of your ability. No one asked you to prove yourself until you started asking others to prove themselves. We don't fucking care. We're just happy to take some advice and try it out. From you, from Glen, from anyone. If it doesn't work, no big deal, we'll come back and read some more advice.

The amount of time you spend writing your bullshit responses to Glen says the most of all. Don't you have anything better to do? I guess not eh?

Credit where credit's due, I have gained a fair bit of useful information from Ford Van, where he has actually made some pretty constructive posts. And you both amuse me at times. However, although I know that you Chess are just as capable of providing some useful information, and proving that you do know what you are talking about, it's just too damn hard to read through the hostility. You remind me of the n00b-baiters in online games. Someone who has lost touch of what it's like to start out learning something. Do you not see how fucking retarded it is belittling someone for not knowing as much as you when they are just asking an honest question? Do you not remember a time where you knew absolutely fuck-all about recording? Oh wait, let me guess, you were born with it right? Right? Didn't think so. All of this makes not only your posts, or your advice, but whatever credentials you have completely fucking worthless. Because all you have proven is that you are incapable of communicating with people at a basic human level.

Grow the hell up. Seriously. Stick to the sharing knowledge. That's all good. But can the fucking bullshit for Christ's sake. Or at least take it to the cave.

Like I say, I am absolutely shocked that a bunch of grown men would feel the need to behave like this. Shit. I'll bet the pair of you still sit on the bus hocking spitballs at the back of people's heads.

So please, stick to the useful stuff. and I know you can both do that very well if you want to. I don't give a shit how much of a fun loving guy you are. you're attempts to elevate yourself above others are not working. In fact you are only acheiving the exact opposite. You want to prove you're better than everyone else? Go ahead. Just try a different approach. Try actually being better than everyone else...now wouldn't that be a novel idea?

to compact my post into one line....What exactly are you hoping to acheive by all of this?
 
Take the good with the bad. As intollerable as some of this is to your standards of decency ... this place would be pretty damn boring if we all agreed and respected one another all the time on every subject.

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Spot on! But this place also gets pretty damn boring with the same people spouting the same bullshit over and over again on every subject.

The odd jibe is fun. When it becomes a constant occurance it just gets tedious. Did you ever stop and think that if you minimised the cutting remarks they might have more impact?
 
I'll reiterate; if you go back and read the posts thus far ... I don't see any sort of slander campaign going on at all.

Now anyone who's read my posts over the last year or so ... knows that there's not exactly a lot of love lost between Fordvan and myself. :D So this certainly isn't about me defending the guy. Let's just get that straight.

But if you go back and look through this thread ... all I see is a few guys who are making a very legitimate request. In order for Fordvan (and Hangdawg and myself) to take the guy's statements and credibility seriously, he has to hear some evidence. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Fordvan is the type who gives advice, and then qualifies his statements in the way that he finds meaningful - by posting actual examples of his work. And he tends to expect a little of the same out of others before he hands out his respect. Certainly nothing cruel, unusual, or slanderous about it at all. That's just the way Fordvan roles.

I happen to feel the same way, and I had a little fun with it and joked around a bit about the whole thing. As much as it might pain some of you ... that's kinda' the way I tend to roll with things. I'm not an overly serious cat. As negative as I can be, belive it or not, there's still not a whole lot of seriousness to any of it (think of me as Home Recording's Lewis Black).

I'm sorry if this disrupts you guys' collective world. I'll gladly send you all a bunch of hankies to dry your tears with. I'll even stitch the words "Chessrock is mean" in to the cloth as a reminder of just what cruel and heartless human beings we are for even questioning the wondrous Southside Glen's "audio sainthood."

Back to your regularly scheduled programming I guess.

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That post reminded me of Gorbachev. The guy had a knack for talking for hours, saying stuff that sounded good while he talked, but after it was done you'd realise that he really didn't say anything.

Please read my post again. Where did I say that you're defending Ford Van? I just said that both you and him are going after Glen. Whether you're defending, leading, or dancing was not part of my statement.

As for Ford Van... it's not HIS OP. And I don't see anywhere on this forum designating him, you or anyone else as a moderator, or "advice quality control" patrolman. Someone asks a questions, Glen posts a reply, Ford Van comes and says "now show us a mix", you come and say "yeah man... let's here how well you polish a doorknob"... blah, blah, blah... and on.

It degrades the quality of everything.

If you find someone's advice is BS, post your own "good" advice, and let the OP decide what's good advice, and what's not.

This is stupid, stupid, stupid and irritating.
 
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It really has very little to do with your need for some evidence of credibility. You've asked for it enough. It's probably safe to say your not going to get it. What annoys me is the fact that you feel the need to regurgitate the same crap as a response to every post Glen makes. It's fucking boring, and what the hell do you hope to achieve by it? Chess, you and Ford are both smart guys, surely by now you realise Glen isn't going to rise to it? So why bother?

I know exactly why. This has nothing about trying to get some proof of Glens crdibility. No, it's all about trying to prove yourself. Shit, if I had a penny for every fucker like you guys I had to deal with at school, I'd be a fucking millionaire. I mean, lets examine the stereotypical school bully shall we.

School bullies do what they do, not to prove to others, or themselves, the worthlessness of their victim per se, but more to elevate themselves by contrast. To belittle one person so as look like the bigger guy.

Thing is, that's at school. Adult see through it. It's called growing up. Most of us get to the point of being elevated above children in our late teens/early twenties.

I don't give a fuck if either of you have provided some proof of your ability. No one asked you to prove yourself until you started asking others to prove themselves. We don't fucking care. We're just happy to take some advice and try it out. From you, from Glen, from anyone. If it doesn't work, no big deal, we'll come back and read some more advice.

The amount of time you spend writing your bullshit responses to Glen says the most of all. Don't you have anything better to do? I guess not eh?

Credit where credit's due, I have gained a fair bit of useful information from Ford Van, where he has actually made some pretty constructive posts. And you both amuse me at times. However, although I know that you Chess are just as capable of providing some useful information, and proving that you do know what you are talking about, it's just too damn hard to read through the hostility. You remind me of the n00b-baiters in online games. Someone who has lost touch of what it's like to start out learning something. Do you not see how fucking retarded it is belittling someone for not knowing as much as you when they are just asking an honest question? Do you not remember a time where you knew absolutely fuck-all about recording? Oh wait, let me guess, you were born with it right? Right? Didn't think so. All of this makes not only your posts, or your advice, but whatever credentials you have completely fucking worthless. Because all you have proven is that you are incapable of communicating with people at a basic human level.

Grow the hell up. Seriously. Stick to the sharing knowledge. That's all good. But can the fucking bullshit for Christ's sake. Or at least take it to the cave.

Like I say, I am absolutely shocked that a bunch of grown men would feel the need to behave like this. Shit. I'll bet the pair of you still sit on the bus hocking spitballs at the back of people's heads.

So please, stick to the useful stuff. and I know you can both do that very well if you want to. I don't give a shit how much of a fun loving guy you are. you're attempts to elevate yourself above others are not working. In fact you are only acheiving the exact opposite. You want to prove you're better than everyone else? Go ahead. Just try a different approach. Try actually being better than everyone else...now wouldn't that be a novel idea?

to compact my post into one line....What exactly are you hoping to acheive by all of this?


"God dammit Private Gump, that's the best god damn answer I ever Got. Hell I'd recommend you for OCS if it wasn't such a god damn waste of enlisted men."
 
Someone asks a questions, Glen posts a reply, Ford Van comes and says "now show us a mix", you come and say "yeah man... let's here how well you polish a doorknob"... blah, blah, blah... and on.

I don't know how much of Southside's posts you've read through the years. But there's a certain level of bravado going on with them, that shows through from time to time.

I'm not saying he's outwardly arrogant ... but there's definitely a certain amount of "I got it going on" .... going on, if you catch my drift. :D

And I'm sorry, but I think this is really where you and I disagree, and where most of us disagree ... but I just don't see anything wrong with saying to someone like that : "Show us what you got." There never was anything wrong with it, and never will be.

And I don't think it demeans or "degrades" anything. It's a legitimate request. Come on, man ... back that talk up! There's a certain amount of challenge to it.

If it is something you find degrading or unpleasant ... then I'm sorry you feel that way. But I'm not going to sit here and put my tail between my legs ... just because you find it unpleasant. You've got options. You can skim over the posts you don't like ... you can exercise the ignore feature ... or you can just accept that not everything posted on this board is going to be tailored to your liking, or watered down so as to not offend the easily offended ... and then just deal with it from there.

This is stupid, stupid, stupid and irritating.


Tell me about it.

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It really has very little to do with your need for some evidence of credibility. You've asked for it enough. It's probably safe to say your not going to get it. What annoys me is the fact that you feel the need to regurgitate the same crap as a response to every post Glen makes. It's fucking boring, and what the hell do you hope to achieve by it? Chess, you and Ford are both smart guys, surely by now you realise Glen isn't going to rise to it? So why bother?

I know exactly why. This has nothing about trying to get some proof of Glens crdibility. No, it's all about trying to prove yourself. Shit, if I had a penny for every fucker like you guys I had to deal with at school, I'd be a fucking millionaire. I mean, lets examine the stereotypical school bully shall we.

School bullies do what they do, not to prove to others, or themselves, the worthlessness of their victim per se, but more to elevate themselves by contrast. To belittle one person so as look like the bigger guy.

Thing is, that's at school. Adult see through it. It's called growing up. Most of us get to the point of being elevated above children in our late teens/early twenties.

I don't give a fuck if either of you have provided some proof of your ability. No one asked you to prove yourself until you started asking others to prove themselves. We don't fucking care. We're just happy to take some advice and try it out. From you, from Glen, from anyone. If it doesn't work, no big deal, we'll come back and read some more advice.

The amount of time you spend writing your bullshit responses to Glen says the most of all. Don't you have anything better to do? I guess not eh?

Credit where credit's due, I have gained a fair bit of useful information from Ford Van, where he has actually made some pretty constructive posts. And you both amuse me at times. However, although I know that you Chess are just as capable of providing some useful information, and proving that you do know what you are talking about, it's just too damn hard to read through the hostility. You remind me of the n00b-baiters in online games. Someone who has lost touch of what it's like to start out learning something. Do you not see how fucking retarded it is belittling someone for not knowing as much as you when they are just asking an honest question? Do you not remember a time where you knew absolutely fuck-all about recording? Oh wait, let me guess, you were born with it right? Right? Didn't think so. All of this makes not only your posts, or your advice, but whatever credentials you have completely fucking worthless. Because all you have proven is that you are incapable of communicating with people at a basic human level.

Grow the hell up. Seriously. Stick to the sharing knowledge. That's all good. But can the fucking bullshit for Christ's sake. Or at least take it to the cave.

Like I say, I am absolutely shocked that a bunch of grown men would feel the need to behave like this. Shit. I'll bet the pair of you still sit on the bus hocking spitballs at the back of people's heads.

So please, stick to the useful stuff. and I know you can both do that very well if you want to. I don't give a shit how much of a fun loving guy you are. you're attempts to elevate yourself above others are not working. In fact you are only acheiving the exact opposite. You want to prove you're better than everyone else? Go ahead. Just try a different approach. Try actually being better than everyone else...now wouldn't that be a novel idea?

to compact my post into one line....What exactly are you hoping to acheive by all of this?
The man's pretty much summed it up there.
Let's move the fuck on.
 
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