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Actually, I have found that live sound engineers make better studio engineers than the other way around.
They know how to wrap cable properly.

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Actually, I have found that live sound engineers make better studio engineers than the other way around.
Well, i give lots and lots of acoustical advice over at the building forum, and I've not personally got any acoustic treatment yet. BUT, i have learned a hell of a lot and do know a lot, although i do not have personal experience.I guess maybe it's just me but when I start giving advice to a large number of people, I'm prepared to back it up with some sort of proof that I'm not just talking shit.
What? like ford van? Have you ever been to his website? That is why he saidIt sounds like something a live sound guy would say.
Absolutely nothing more annoying than live sound guys who think that, because they've done sound for shows / live acts, that they know enough to be recording engineers.
I must admit though, I'm learning to be both a live and studio engineer. I've been to college, and am setting up my own business offering both, as well as a few others, such as basic acoustics, retail, promotions, etc.Ford Van said:Actually, I have found that live sound engineers make better studio engineers than the other way around.
Ford van does have a website, well the company he works for. He has a load of clips which you can access by clicking his name.As I see it (granted in my three weeks on the board I have only seen several of these back-and-forths...), Neither of you have answered any of Glen's legitimate questions. I can click on Glen's banner and see the amount of quality work he has done putting together a simple, informative, professional site. I don't see how either of you critics could defend yourselves without a legitimate website. Everyone has a website. Even I do, but it's too crappy to post hereBut if you guys are equally as "pro" or more so as you claim, then where are your sites and references?
You know Chess, I don't ever remember you posting anything helpful. Some funny posts and one liners here, snide remarks and some BS there, but I don't really remember you posting something that someone could actually learn from.It sounds like something a live sound guy would say..
It's not your fault man. For some reason Chess and Ford Van have decided to run a slander campaign against Glen. Pretty much all the posts turn into this around here nowdays.
And who cares about Ford Van's respect? Or really anyone's? It's a fucking message board.
Take the good with the bad. As intollerable as some of this is to your standards of decency ... this place would be pretty damn boring if we all agreed and respected one another all the time on every subject.
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That post reminded me of Gorbachev. The guy had a knack for talking for hours, saying stuff that sounded good while he talked, but after it was done you'd realise that he really didn't say anything.I'll reiterate; if you go back and read the posts thus far ... I don't see any sort of slander campaign going on at all.
Now anyone who's read my posts over the last year or so ... knows that there's not exactly a lot of love lost between Fordvan and myself.So this certainly isn't about me defending the guy. Let's just get that straight.
But if you go back and look through this thread ... all I see is a few guys who are making a very legitimate request. In order for Fordvan (and Hangdawg and myself) to take the guy's statements and credibility seriously, he has to hear some evidence. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Fordvan is the type who gives advice, and then qualifies his statements in the way that he finds meaningful - by posting actual examples of his work. And he tends to expect a little of the same out of others before he hands out his respect. Certainly nothing cruel, unusual, or slanderous about it at all. That's just the way Fordvan roles.
I happen to feel the same way, and I had a little fun with it and joked around a bit about the whole thing. As much as it might pain some of you ... that's kinda' the way I tend to roll with things. I'm not an overly serious cat. As negative as I can be, belive it or not, there's still not a whole lot of seriousness to any of it (think of me as Home Recording's Lewis Black).
I'm sorry if this disrupts you guys' collective world. I'll gladly send you all a bunch of hankies to dry your tears with. I'll even stitch the words "Chessrock is mean" in to the cloth as a reminder of just what cruel and heartless human beings we are for even questioning the wondrous Southside Glen's "audio sainthood."
Back to your regularly scheduled programming I guess.
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It really has very little to do with your need for some evidence of credibility. You've asked for it enough. It's probably safe to say your not going to get it. What annoys me is the fact that you feel the need to regurgitate the same crap as a response to every post Glen makes. It's fucking boring, and what the hell do you hope to achieve by it? Chess, you and Ford are both smart guys, surely by now you realise Glen isn't going to rise to it? So why bother?
I know exactly why. This has nothing about trying to get some proof of Glens crdibility. No, it's all about trying to prove yourself. Shit, if I had a penny for every fucker like you guys I had to deal with at school, I'd be a fucking millionaire. I mean, lets examine the stereotypical school bully shall we.
School bullies do what they do, not to prove to others, or themselves, the worthlessness of their victim per se, but more to elevate themselves by contrast. To belittle one person so as look like the bigger guy.
Thing is, that's at school. Adult see through it. It's called growing up. Most of us get to the point of being elevated above children in our late teens/early twenties.
I don't give a fuck if either of you have provided some proof of your ability. No one asked you to prove yourself until you started asking others to prove themselves. We don't fucking care. We're just happy to take some advice and try it out. From you, from Glen, from anyone. If it doesn't work, no big deal, we'll come back and read some more advice.
The amount of time you spend writing your bullshit responses to Glen says the most of all. Don't you have anything better to do? I guess not eh?
Credit where credit's due, I have gained a fair bit of useful information from Ford Van, where he has actually made some pretty constructive posts. And you both amuse me at times. However, although I know that you Chess are just as capable of providing some useful information, and proving that you do know what you are talking about, it's just too damn hard to read through the hostility. You remind me of the n00b-baiters in online games. Someone who has lost touch of what it's like to start out learning something. Do you not see how fucking retarded it is belittling someone for not knowing as much as you when they are just asking an honest question? Do you not remember a time where you knew absolutely fuck-all about recording? Oh wait, let me guess, you were born with it right? Right? Didn't think so. All of this makes not only your posts, or your advice, but whatever credentials you have completely fucking worthless. Because all you have proven is that you are incapable of communicating with people at a basic human level.
Grow the hell up. Seriously. Stick to the sharing knowledge. That's all good. But can the fucking bullshit for Christ's sake. Or at least take it to the cave.
Like I say, I am absolutely shocked that a bunch of grown men would feel the need to behave like this. Shit. I'll bet the pair of you still sit on the bus hocking spitballs at the back of people's heads.
So please, stick to the useful stuff. and I know you can both do that very well if you want to. I don't give a shit how much of a fun loving guy you are. you're attempts to elevate yourself above others are not working. In fact you are only acheiving the exact opposite. You want to prove you're better than everyone else? Go ahead. Just try a different approach. Try actually being better than everyone else...now wouldn't that be a novel idea?
to compact my post into one line....What exactly are you hoping to acheive by all of this?
Someone asks a questions, Glen posts a reply, Ford Van comes and says "now show us a mix", you come and say "yeah man... let's here how well you polish a doorknob"... blah, blah, blah... and on.
This is stupid, stupid, stupid and irritating.
The man's pretty much summed it up there.It really has very little to do with your need for some evidence of credibility. You've asked for it enough. It's probably safe to say your not going to get it. What annoys me is the fact that you feel the need to regurgitate the same crap as a response to every post Glen makes. It's fucking boring, and what the hell do you hope to achieve by it? Chess, you and Ford are both smart guys, surely by now you realise Glen isn't going to rise to it? So why bother?
I know exactly why. This has nothing about trying to get some proof of Glens crdibility. No, it's all about trying to prove yourself. Shit, if I had a penny for every fucker like you guys I had to deal with at school, I'd be a fucking millionaire. I mean, lets examine the stereotypical school bully shall we.
School bullies do what they do, not to prove to others, or themselves, the worthlessness of their victim per se, but more to elevate themselves by contrast. To belittle one person so as look like the bigger guy.
Thing is, that's at school. Adult see through it. It's called growing up. Most of us get to the point of being elevated above children in our late teens/early twenties.
I don't give a fuck if either of you have provided some proof of your ability. No one asked you to prove yourself until you started asking others to prove themselves. We don't fucking care. We're just happy to take some advice and try it out. From you, from Glen, from anyone. If it doesn't work, no big deal, we'll come back and read some more advice.
The amount of time you spend writing your bullshit responses to Glen says the most of all. Don't you have anything better to do? I guess not eh?
Credit where credit's due, I have gained a fair bit of useful information from Ford Van, where he has actually made some pretty constructive posts. And you both amuse me at times. However, although I know that you Chess are just as capable of providing some useful information, and proving that you do know what you are talking about, it's just too damn hard to read through the hostility. You remind me of the n00b-baiters in online games. Someone who has lost touch of what it's like to start out learning something. Do you not see how fucking retarded it is belittling someone for not knowing as much as you when they are just asking an honest question? Do you not remember a time where you knew absolutely fuck-all about recording? Oh wait, let me guess, you were born with it right? Right? Didn't think so. All of this makes not only your posts, or your advice, but whatever credentials you have completely fucking worthless. Because all you have proven is that you are incapable of communicating with people at a basic human level.
Grow the hell up. Seriously. Stick to the sharing knowledge. That's all good. But can the fucking bullshit for Christ's sake. Or at least take it to the cave.
Like I say, I am absolutely shocked that a bunch of grown men would feel the need to behave like this. Shit. I'll bet the pair of you still sit on the bus hocking spitballs at the back of people's heads.
So please, stick to the useful stuff. and I know you can both do that very well if you want to. I don't give a shit how much of a fun loving guy you are. you're attempts to elevate yourself above others are not working. In fact you are only acheiving the exact opposite. You want to prove you're better than everyone else? Go ahead. Just try a different approach. Try actually being better than everyone else...now wouldn't that be a novel idea?
to compact my post into one line....What exactly are you hoping to acheive by all of this?