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[Greg_L]

EMO IS NOT INDIE!!!

Okay now *I* am off my base here

Emo is a form of indie, and to my ears, the two are pretty much identical. It's not rock, rap, country, pop, classical, oldie, R&B, or mainstream, so it has to fall under the "indie" umbrella. Didn't start out that way, but it is now. I don't know what happened that turned emo into pussy music, but the transformation is complete.

 

[Greg_L]

I'd never even heard of emo before I first visited this site a few years ago. I still don't know what it is...some musical genre obviously...but what? Is it short for something?...an acronym?

There are too many damn genres these days...can someone explain?

This is my limited historical knowledge of emo:

Started in the late 80's as "emotional punk" or some shit like that. It was somewhat hardcore in it's roots. Turned pretty soft and wussified in the 90's with bands like Sunny Day Real Estate and Weezer and Jimmy Eat World. Now it's less about the music and more about posers and fashion.

I first heard of it in 93 in NYC. It was almost listenable back then before it became a trendy fashion statement with a little music attached. Today, emo kids generally take the beatings and hazing that was usually reserved for the goth kids back in my high school days.

 

[heatmiser]

This is my limited historical knowledge of emo:

Started in the late 80's as "emotional punk" or some shit like that. It was somewhat hardcore in it's roots. Turned pretty soft and wussified in the 90's with bands like Sunny Day Real Estate and Weezer and Jimmy Eat World. Now it's less about the music and more about posers and fashion.

I first heard of it in 93 in NYC. It was almost listenable back then before it became a trendy fashion statement with a little music attached. Today, emo kids generally take the beatings and hazing that was usually reserved for the goth kids back in my high school days.

Thanks man, that clears it up for me..."emotional punk"...hmmm kind of an oxymoron. I've heard of weezer, but that is about it. Now I'll know that if someone is termed "emo" they are referring to a victim of a beating.

 

[Mish]

I'd never even heard of emo before I first visited this site a few years ago. I still don't know what it is...some musical genre obviously...but what? Is it short for something?...an acronym?

There are too many damn genres these days...can someone explain?

Emo is a form of indie, and to my ears, the two are pretty much identical. It's not rock, rap, country, pop, classical, oldie, R&B, or mainstream, so it has to fall under the "indie" umbrella. Didn't start out that way, but it is now. I don't know what happened that turned emo into pussy music, but the transformation is complete.

Actually not really . You didn't list punk, and emo is exactly derivered from that - it's an EMotionally charged hardcOre (hardcore being a NY wave of heavy punk). The irony is, most of self-proclaimed "emo kids" who listen to their Fallout Boys and Panic! At the Disco are as deluded as people who say Coldplay is new Beatles.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jxPtxOALqk4

^ here's the best example of the late emo music, before Rolling Stone started labeling 'emo' any band with fancy pirate-patch haircuts.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RvQqMBoKco

^ here's another example, by the band which is probably the most responsible for the whole misconcept. Their first album was truthul to the emo vibe, and that's what they been known as being. However their second release was alot more mainstream, basically pop-punk with occasional screaming and the media figured 'lets label any band that sounds like them as emo' .

 

[Mish]

Thanks man, that clears it up for me..."emotional punk"...hmmm kind of an oxymoron. I've heard of weezer, but that is about it. Now I'll know that if someone is termed "emo" they are referring to a victim of a beating.

Weezer is nowhere near being emo .

If you want a classic example of old-school emo, listen to Jimmy Eat World's "Static Prevails" album.

 

[Mish]

This is my limited historical knowledge of emo:

Started in the late 80's as "emotional punk" or some shit like that. It was somewhat hardcore in it's roots. Turned pretty soft and wussified in the 90's with bands like Sunny Day Real Estate and Weezer and Jimmy Eat World. Now it's less about the music and more about posers and fashion.

I first heard of it in 93 in NYC. It was almost listenable back then before it became a trendy fashion statement with a little music attached. Today, emo kids generally take the beatings and hazing that was usually reserved for the goth kids back in my high school days.

Yeah, that's more like that. Early Jimmy Eat World were actually pretty damn chaotic - their turned more into mainstream direction with 'Clarity'.

 

[Greg_L]

Actually not really . You didn't list punk, and emo is exactly derivered from that - it's an EMotionally charged hardcOre (hardcore being a NY wave of heavy punk). .

No dude, that shit started in like DC or Baltimore or some crap like that. NY punk was way too good to have anything to do with emo. I said it started as "emotional punk". Don't question my emo-ness, bitch.

 

[Zille]

So no one has a clue what emo really means? On the other hand: Where is the difference between indie and alternative? What separates black-metal from death-metal from trash-metal from nu-metal? Does anybody really give a shit? To me there are only two genres: music I DO like and music I DON´T like. Why do people always feel the need to label everything?

 

[Greg_L]

So no one has a clue what emo really means? On the other hand: Where is the difference between indie and alternative? What separates black-metal from death-metal from trash-metal from nu-metal? Does anybody really give a shit? To me there are only two genres: music I DO like and music I DON´T like. Why do people always feel the need to label everything?

Because sucky stuff usually has something to do with other sucky stuff. Don't get pissy about it. Labels are nothing more than a means of categorizing music for conversation and clarification. It's like a family tree. All those metal categories just fall under "metal", just like punk, emo, and indie would all fall under "alternative". I agree that there's too many labels, but it is what it is. I'm not gonna hand you a Dying Fetus CD and a Jimmy Eat World CD and say, "oh they're both just rock and roll".

 

[VomitHatSteve]

So no one has a clue what emo really means? On the other hand: Where is the difference between indie and alternative? What separates black-metal from death-metal from trash-metal from nu-metal? Does anybody really give a shit? To me there are only two genres: music I DO like and music I DON´T like. Why do people always feel the need to label everything?

I like to label genres because it gives me a way to identify bands as pedantically as possible.
Let's invent a band called band X. I could say band X is rock; I could say band X is some variant on heavy metal; I could even say band X is music I like as opposed to music I don't. But it's WAY more fun to say band X is "post-hardcore alt-country prog screamo" if I can get away with it.

 

[Mish]

I like to label bands myself, but there are some gems which I can't help but take a piss out of.

Mathcore? Christian Deathcore?? How about abit of popcore or gospel screamo ?

 

[Greg_L]

Labels have their benefits, but I generally prefer to label just about everything as suckcore.

 

[Mish]

You *luuuuv* Jimmy Eat World

 

[Greg_L]

You *luuuuv* Jimmy Eat World

Yes, I love them like Hitler loved him some Jews.

 

[Mish]

Hitler WAS a Jew

 

[Greg_L]

Hitler WAS a Jew

But he sure didn't love em.

 

[Mish]

That's because when he was a kid he once made a nice sandcastle on the beach, and then jewish family came close and said "WTF? That's crap!" . And then kicked the shit out of his sandcastle .

 

[Greg_L]

Well I think he got his revenge.

 

[Mish]

Man. Do you think the German dude minds us talking about Hitler ?

 

[heatmiser]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jxPtxOALqk4

^ here's the best example of the late emo music, before Rolling Stone started labeling 'emo' any band with fancy pirate-patch haircuts.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2RvQqMBoKco

^ here's another example, by the band which is probably the most responsible for the whole misconcept. Their first album was truthul to the emo vibe, and that's what they been known as being. However their second release was alot more mainstream, basically pop-punk with occasional screaming and the media figured 'lets label any band that sounds like them as emo' .

I checked those out last night and still don't have a sense of what they're all about. But this did help. Welcome to emo 101!

I didn't hear a drastic difference between the two except the 2nd sounded maybe a little more commercial? Hearing these two bands helped me understand what informs some of the stuff posted in the clinic by a lot of younger people here...screaming, rapid-fire kick drum, etc.

Weezer is nowhere near being emo .

I had to check them out as well and have to admit, I kind of liked that pork and beans vid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muP9eH2p2PI

Sorry to german dude for hijacking this thread...