Building Your Own Guitar

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Hey guys,

I just wanted to know if any of you has ever built their own electric guitar.

I have been thrilled by the idea since forever, but I have never taken the first step cuz I'm no carpenter and have never built anything more difficult than a doghouse. lol

How much would I have to pay $$$ in wood and other materials?... I already have the tools that I need because my second guitarrist's uncle has a workshop.

But I would like to know the aprox. amount on money that I would spend buying the wood for the body, neck and fretboard... which is prolly gonna be Mahogany body and rosewood fretb. and neck.

I want to build a PRS alike... hmmm I bet this is gonna be funny... Well any feddback is appreciated.

If you have any tips or any good websites or books on building your own electric guitar, feel free to post them . Thanks.


Peace
Jose
 
Well, seeing as how lutherie (guitar building) is how I make my living, yes I have made a few guitars.

Building a guitar is not actually all that hard. The thing you need is patience. Very few of the individual steps is difficult, but each one must be done with precision if you are going to be happy with the result.

Personally, and this is the way I started, I think it is a good idea to make a parts guitar first. I would get a body and neck from Warmoth, or ACG, or even just a cheap body and neck from WD, some pickups, a pickguard, etc, and put it together. It is a big help in learning to understand the geometry of a guitar. This may or may not be your ultimate guitar, but it will be a very good learning experience. Along with the parts, make sure you get a few books on the subject.

Actually, I would suggest you get ALL of the books on the subject. And the videos. And read every website there is on the subject of guitar building. Learn everything you can, particularly if you are an inexperienced wood worker. You will find that no two of us ever use the exact same methods. Find the methods which make sense to you, with your abilities, and your available tools. That is how you build.

Once you have built a parts guitar or two, then you are ready to start going into the design area. I used to start with a big piece of paper, a long straight edge, a good ruler, and a set of French Curves (these days, I use my CAD program). Use the paper to get the shape roughly accurate, and then transfer it to a few pieces of hard board, which you can sand until all the curves are fair (meaning, there are no bumps or other anomalies). Running your thumb along the edge is the best tool you will every have for finding a bump in your other wise fair curve. If your shape is symmetrical, only do a half template, as it will be much more accurate that way.

I could easily go beyond the 25,000 character limit, but this is not really the right place to do so. Instead, let me give you some resources.

The Stew Mac catalog is probably the most well know source for lutherie information, and they have the best selection of books you will find. Their main focus is on repair, but they have a lot of information, tools, and materials for building as well. It is also just a fun catalog to get. You will, however, NEVER stop getting it. I, for one, don't mind. The other major Lutherie supplier is Luthier's Mercantile International, inc.. LMI (as they are usually called, or Luthier's Merch) is mostly an acoustic builders spot, but they have really nice figured maple tops (among other things) for electrics. They are a great company as well, and have some great tools, and some good prices on some of the materials. They also host the Healdsburg Guitar Festival every two years, which is a great place for us Luthiers to get together and compare the growth of our beards (you have never seen so much facial hair in one room in your life). Michael Horrnick of Shanti Guitars (I think that is his first name, I just remember his guitars and his beard) always wins with his ZZ Top beard. Gulab Gidwani owns Exotic Woods, which is an excellent source, though I am not sure what his minimum order is, or if he even has one. I like saying his name, but I love his wood. Randy Allen is a great source for slotted fingerboards, and if you are only doing a few, it will be cheaper than buying the jigging to do it yourself. LMI and Stew Mac will also sell you slotted boards, but I like Randy. I think (don't remember) that he is cheaper, as well. His boards are all CNC cut, so they are accurate beyond compare. If there is one area in which accuracy is most important, this is it. I get most of my mahogany, ash, alder, and plain maple from my local hardwood lumber yard, Youngblood Hardwood. I have a wholesale account, so their prices are great for me. You will not have the wholesale account, but you will probably have a similar hardwood supplier in your town. Your friends uncle will probably know where it is, but if not, look in the Yellow pages. If you buy rough lumber (which is all places like that sell) you need to have a planer and a jointer, along with the table saw and radial arm saw, but you will save about 30-60% on the wood. If you buy a lot of wood (we do) then it just makes sense to buy rough. Surfacing is pretty damn easy, though dull. I almost forgot. {URL= http://www.alliedlutherie.com/]Allied Lutherie[/URL]. They are competitors with Luthier’s Merch.

There are a number of good forums on the web. rec.music.makers.builders, rec.music.makers, rec.music.makers.bass, rec.music.makers.guitar, rec.music.makers.guitar.acoustic, and rec.music.makers.marketplace all have good info, sometimes. The Thirteenth Fret is also good sometimes, though more of an acoustic site. Acoustic Guitar has a good Luthiers corner, and some great builders hang out there. Rick Turner is frequently there, and his is a very knowledgeable electric guy (he founded Alembic, among other things). Also look at the Musical Instrument Makers Forum. With all of these sites, you need to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff, but when you do, there is some great stuff there. If you can find it.

Frank Ford's Frets.com is easily the largest guitar related website on the internet, but it is an acoustic guitar repair site. None the less, you should explore it, just to learn something of the attitude of one of the truly great luthiers in the world. Frank is without question the most highly respected guitar repair guy out there. Frank was in town recently, and when we took him out to diner, he made one of the great quotes I have ever heard. He was talking about what he says to students in lutherie schools, and it is this, "When you get out of here, I am your competition. Guys like me have a problem with motivation. I work six days a week, and on my day off, for fun, I go into the shop." If you decide you want to be a professional luthier, that is the kind of dedication you need to have. It does not sound like that is your plan, but be careful, as the bug can easily bite you. Charlie Hoffman of Hoffman Guitars has the other really huge website out there. He is an acoustic builder with a repair shop, and has a huge amount of information on how he builds. Jim Olson is the biggest star of the small shop lutherie world, and his site (actually maintained by a customer) has an interesting section on his building process. It won't actually help you at all, as he is very automated, but his shop is fascinating. Kathy Matsushita is an amateur builder, but a very serious one. Her site will help you a great deal.

I am afraid that no one has done a really comprehensive site on electric guitar building, at least not that I know of, but there is a lot in common between the two.

As for what you will spend on materials, that depends a great deal on what you buy. I know that, for me, I try to keep materials cost to no more than, and hopefully less than, fifteen percent of the price I charge. The rest is all labor. So that would be $300 or less. But remember, I am buying all of my parts and materials at wholesale prices, so you will have a hard time matching my costs. I would guess you could do it, and get good quality wood and hardware for about $500, but I really don't know.

The first step, however, is not figuring out the cost. The first step is learning everything you can. Go forth and read, and then read some more. Read everything you can get your hands on. Everything else comes next.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
I've been looking into one of LMI's "serviced kits" to get started.

Eventually I want to build OM's and 00's from scratch.

I was thinking building the Fox sidebender and a few of the other jigs would be good pieces to improve my woodworking skills.

I regret to say my mando is still unfinished, lacking a couple gouges and a lefty bridge I have yet to fab. I have the ebony, though.:) Just keep getting sidetracked into other nonsense.

I have zero shopspace. My garage became an office. I have a 13 x 17 space inside the house that Riley has said I can make into a bit of a shop. For tools, I have a tablesaw, router, compound mitre saw, and a few hand tools. LMI used to have a list of tools they recommended for first-time builders IIRC. I wish I could get my hands on that hand-tool list now. I'm thinking a 36" or 48" table sander would be nice, as would a spindle sander. I have one so-so Stanley jack plane. Where I see the cost of tooling really starting to mount up is in measurement devices and straightedges and stuff like that, not to mention the cost of building jigs and forms.

I'd like to try both the form method and the "breadboard" (I guess that's what it's called, like demonstrated in Cumpiano's book, building on a backboard.)

Drafting supplies! I'd give my left nut for a good drafting table and all the supplies!!!

I'm was looking at a marine electrician job working in a yacht factory, breathing fiberglass resin, dust, and gelcoat 10 hours a day. $13/hour. Cost me about $12 gas roundtrip to go to the interview.

I told Riley I bet I could make at least $10 breathing rosewood and mahogony dust here at the house.

If you had $3000 to spend and you wanted to go into the small-bodied acoustic instrument business, and were a first-time builder, how would you use that $3000?

Don't say to get my head examined. It's been done and there's nothing they can do about it.;)
 
I have seen some kits on ebay for a strat copy for $75. Now, you would basically paint it, put it together and set it up. Yes, this is a junk guitar, but it will allow you to experiment and get to know some principals for a very small price. That includes the electronics and pick guard so all you need to do is buy the paint.

Again, this is a very cheap guitar but may be a good learning tool. If you go with Warmoth or someone like them, you can easily drop a grand or more. It would give you the opportunity to try building and setting up at a low cost.
 
c7sus said:
Don't say to get my head examined. It's been done and there's nothing they can do about it.;)


Tell me about it. I grew up in one of the best shops in the country (other luthiers come in here, and just go "wow"). So I have all the advantages you could imagine, including more tools than your would believe, and (more importantly) a father who has been building for 34 years now, and is really smart when it comes to figuring out the stuff I can't. I still am having a hard time getting my instruments out there.

As for your $3000, it really depends on how you want to build. I mean, I love our spindle sander (the big Grizzly), and we couldn't live without our spindle shapers (a little old delta, and a 1 1/2 HP Grizzly). But that is us. And spindle shapers are probably one of the two most dangerous machines you will ever use (the other being a radial arm saw, both of them because they are self feeding, and the shaper is seriously over powered). Jim Olson, who is a good friend, does a huge amount of his building with routers and jigs. He also NEVER changes bits. He has one router for each task he does (that was one hell of a revelation for every one when he did his talk at the ASIA or GAL convention about five years back). I myself would probably spend most of that money on materials for making jigs, but that is because I have some really cool jigs already designed that I just have not gotten around to making. The last time I was at Jims shop, he showed us his method of setting necks, which involves removing material from the top of the neck (before the fingerboard is glued on) instead of adjusting the dovetail. It blew me away, and it changed a lot of the things I am going to be doing from now on. So I have about ten rather major jigs I need to make.

If you really want to make a living as a luthier, don't bother with the "breadboard" method. Use molds. It is about ten times faster, and if you want to make a living at this, you need to be perfect, fast. That is the only way. When Frank Ford was in town a few weeks ago, he told us about how he became a retailer (which is his primary business at Gryphon). They had, up to that point, been building (this was about 1973), and they sat down one day. They figured they had one years worth of orders. They also figured out that, if they doubled their prices, then at the end of that year, they would be out of business. They became retailers, and are now one of the largest and best shops in the country. Bob Taylor saw that same calculation for his own shop, and said, "I've got to make them faster." It is the only way to make a living at it, unless you can charge $15,000 for a guitar like Jim Olson (who also builds them really fast) or Jeff Traugott (who does not build very fast). Cumpiaono, while he makes a fine instrument, makes his money off of that book you own. His methods are, for the most part, WAY too time consuming to use professionally. That is where jigs come in. They help you to streamline production, while insuring a level of quality which is at least as high, and usually higher.

As for bending forms, I do not like the Fox Bender. It is just too difficult to use precisely. My favorite benders (which are no longer available) are the Overholtzer benders which were available in the seventies. They are made of aluminum, with built in heating elements, and they have a steel shoe which fits the waist curve precisely, making them very effective. They are great, but the only shapes available were a dreadnaught (which is not actually accurate to the Martin Dreadnaught) and a classical shape. We use both of these, but for the other shapes, what we have is based on Jim Olson's design. It is two male versions of the body, with aluminum supports between them, and a Watlow heating blanket. It is so much better than the light bulbs in the Fox bender, and it is much easier to use. You have to wear gloves, as those suckers are HOT, but it works great. We just bend them, and then turn them off. There is plenty of residual heat to cook the sides to perfection. We also wrap some of the lighter colored woods in parchment paper, which keeps them from burning.

The real trick is to spend a lot of time thinking about the processes you want to use. This will help you to decide how you want to spend your money.

Though I have to say, the first tools I would get would be THIS and THIS. They are, by far, the most used tools in our shop, both for repair and for building. A drill press is also a good idea.

And you will need clamps. Lots and lots of clamps. There is a popular saying, "there is no such thing as too many clamps." Completely wrong. It should be, "there is no such thing as ENOUGH clamps." I have heard guitar building described as the art of acquiring and using clamps. We have at least 500, but I think it is closer to 1000. You need lots of clamps.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
I have a question that I guess pertains to the topic at hand. When I began reading this, I was all like hey that sounds like fun. I wanna do it. Then I realized that I could kill two birds with one stone by building my own guitar. See, I'm almost a senior in high school and we have these senior projects that we have to do. With enough funding and about a year and a half to complete everything, do you think I could do it? My knowledge on the anatomy of the guitar is limited, but I have access to multiple resources.

Anyway, I am not looking for approval, just thought you might want to know, you have inspired me without even trying. oh goody. thanks. Any advice would be appreciated. ~la
 
lala said:
I have a question that I guess pertains to the topic at hand. When I began reading this, I was all like hey that sounds like fun. I wanna do it. Then I realized that I could kill two birds with one stone by building my own guitar. See, I'm almost a senior in high school and we have these senior projects that we have to do. With enough funding and about a year and a half to complete everything, do you think I could do it? My knowledge on the anatomy of the guitar is limited, but I have access to multiple resources.

Anyway, I am not looking for approval, just thought you might want to know, you have inspired me without even trying. oh goody. thanks. Any advice would be appreciated. ~la
Look at all of the reasources I listed above, and decide for yourself if you can do it.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
Everything Light said.

Check this out. You can get a kit, or a through neck that you can add body wings to, or necks with blank headstocks.

The part I wouldn't want to try would be the neck, and these would take some of the variables out.
 
Great! :D Thanx for the replies Light, juststarting, c7sus , apl, and lala...

You guys rock and have given me strenght to make the next step...Ima build my own guitar :D ... If I have any other questions I'll let you know.


Thanks a lot.
Peace
Jose
 
im starting my own guitar soon too... already bought a bunch of wood working equipment to get started :D

anyways, i've learned a lot off of frets.com! it isn't a beautiful looking site, but the information there is unbelieveable! tons of pictures and tons of step by step information. check it out!
 
AFXSguy said:
im starting my own guitar soon too... already bought a bunch of wood working equipment to get started :D

anyways, i've learned a lot off of frets.com! it isn't a beautiful looking site, but the information there is unbelieveable! tons of pictures and tons of step by step information. check it out!
Well, it may not be pretty, but Frank spends an awful lot of time on it, and is very knowledgable, so the content is great. The best part is, Frank is also a very nice guy.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
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Sorry I haven't responded to this in a while, but I have been busy looking and reading through all of the information in this thread. There are a lot of good sites in here. Thanks for all of the information provided. It has helped me out much. I have decided that this is what I am going to do for my senior project. I'm excited, but I've got to get back to reading this now. ~la
 
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