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I was hoping to build my first guitar over the summer. I was thinking of making a strat-style body using maybe ash or alder. Anybody know a good place to get solid piece or an already laminated piece for cheap? Anybody in here build guitars and have any tips? Also, I was thinking of buying two pieces, but theres no way in hell i could bind them. anybody around boston that could bind them for me for cheap?
 
sorry, didnt mean to post it twice.... im a better musician then i am at this computer stuff... :) :) :)
 
I build guitars. I've always bought wood through local suppliers, but here are some luthier related websites where I know you can buy good stuff:
I could probably give some good tips but I'll let you ask some specifics if you want to because it's a pretty broad topic.

http://www.stewmac.com/

http://www.lmii.com/
 
stewmac is def my favorite..

no need to glue two together unless you do a neck through body (which you should)

glueing stuff is easy... all you need are some clamps and some glue... line it up and (wait 8 hours) bing

you could probably buy a prebuilt neck and preplaned (sized) side pieces, cut out your design and glue the factory edges together, but you will still need a router, drill, sander, saw (jig or band) ... if you dont have these tools or access to them, get a bolt on neck and pre routed body, its much easier..

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Is swamp ash an easy wood to cut? I found a piece for cheap that i think i might want.... and also, I have pretty much all the tools i need to make the guitar, but their all standard quality... is it worth renting high-quality tools to do this? {P.S. I think im just gunna end up buying a neck..}
 
You'll want to have a bandsaw preferably to cut out the body, and swamp ash shouldn't be a problem. You could use a jigsaw or coping saw or something like that, but it would be a real pain. You'll definitely need a router, but I wouldn't say that a high end one would be required for any reason. You'll definitely need some meticulous layout and measuring abilities, as this is the most important thing about the build. A drill press is a real big help when it comes to putting in straight holes, I suppose a hand drill and a steady hand might get you by. If you aren't planning on building the neck you will save yourself from the bulk of the most difficult work (however, in my opinion some of the most rewarding) If you're going to do a bolt on, get your neck first (this should be obvious) and build your body to fit and suit it. Good Luck!
 
Just thought I would add that cutting ANY hardwood is not gonna be like cutting on some softwood like your standard 2x4 or something like that, and cheaper tools/blades will wear out alot faster. (Swamp Ash is pretty hard) But if you're not planning on cranking out guitars you shouldn't have to really deal with that too soon. This may be totally apparent to you, but I figured I would point it out anyway. Also, even with a bolt-on design, the body is often glued up from two or more pieces. It will work just fine if you are planning on painting the body and not going with a natural finish. I will also stress this - build your first guitar with a fixed bridge or one that is very forgiving with set-up and intonation adjustability! Everybody makes measuring mistakes sometimes! Also take a good long time to produce the neck pocket precisely with a bolt-on, it's probably the most crucial element to making that guitar play and sound good!
 
for size and layout im pretty much going to exactly copy a fender strat body... I was kinda thinking about just leaving it unpainted and finishing it like it is... is swamp ash ok for that with good looking grain... the piece im looking at looks good but its an online peice so im just making sure... thanks for all the help!!!!!! :) :) :)
 
swamp ash will look o.k., but if youre going for something fancier get a thin piece of laminate (flame or curly or whatever) for the top, especially if you're going with a flattop design.
 
alright, ive finally got the money for the wood and the neck and i know a guy who can get me the wood... but im still not sure what kind of wood to use for the body i think i will leave it unpainted so i need a wood with good grain... i was think alder or ash still but i just cant decide....
 
Damn, how'd I miss this?

OK, here we go.

First off, for buying wood, the best bet, if you have the equipment for it, is to buy rough stock from a local hardwood lumber yard. The one in my neck o' the woods is called Youngblood, but I never did find any in Boston, when I was living there. Mind you, I never tried, so don't take that as meaning anything.

But there's a trick; you need to be able to do all your surface prep, which means you need a jointer (at least six inches), a planer, and a table saw - at the very least. If you don't already have these, then this option is not really open to you.

Another option is to go to a woodworker store, such as Rockler or Woodcraft. They carry a lot of woods in what is called "two sides surfaced." It is not nearly as good as buying rough, as the wood goes through so many environmental changes after it leaves the mill that the "flat" surfaces are no longer flat, and you would still need a way to edge joint it, so a jointer is still really nice to have, but you can do it with a jointer plane, or a table saw, or even a router table if you know how. There are a lot of articles on this kind of stuff in woodworking magazines, so I won't go into it.

And then there are the specialized wood suppliers. People who supply wood specifically for the guitar industry. The most well known is Stewart MacDonald and Luthiers Mercantile. You might also check with Gulab Gidwani at Exotic Woods, as he always has good stuff at competitive prices, and then there is also Allied Lutherie. Amongst those places you should be able to find what you need.

As for tools, the only high end tool you need to build guitars is an 18-24 inch ruler. I prefer 24" Starett, but they cost an awful lot, and the Woodcraft ones are just fine. It will also act as a reliable straight edge. A band saw is nice, and I wouldn't really want to not have a drill press, but just as important is the Belt/Disc Sander. The belt disc sander is the tool which gets used more than any other in the shop. It is great for thicknessing bone nut and saddle blanks (watch your fingers, and don't say you haven't been warned), and is essential in fairing curves from the band saw, which is a fine tool, but is useless for getting a clean edge, no matter how nice the blades are (and I use really nice blades). The belt/disc sander cleans up the convex curves, and then you need a spindle sander for the concave curves. Trust me, you do not want to try and do it all with a spindle sander. It IS possible, but it will take you 10 times as long, at least.

Buying your neck makes a lot of sense for your first guitar. It is one of the more challenging and demanding parts of the guitar. But it is also the most fun. When you make your next one (and you probably will), you might think about just buying a fingerboard and making your neck.

Bolt-on necks are fine, as are set necks, and the same with neck-throughs. None of them are better or worse, they are just different. Think of an analog synth with and its filter banks. They have a thing called ADSR, which stands for Attack, Decay, Sustain, and Release. These are the four basic stages of a notes existence. well, each of these different neck designs have different ADSR characteristics. Bolt on necks emphasize the attack, but not because the attack is so great. They have a tendency to suck the energy out of the guitar pretty quick, as they are not a very solid neck joint, so they act kind of like a heat sink for the kinetic energy or the strings. This is NOT a bad thing. What happens is; when you first hit the string, the energy is all there, but it gets zapped away by the neck joint, so in essence what you have is a quick attack followed by a quick decay. It is kind of like using a compressor with a slow attack setting to make a kick or snare drum punchier. Set necks and neck-throughs take a little longer to get moving, but when they do, the decay is much smaller, so you have a slower attack and a long decay, meaning the attack of the note is de-emphasized. Neck-through guitars emphasize this even more than set neck guitars. I have built neck-through guitars which have such a smooth attack that they almost sound legato when you pick every note. And that too is a good thing, if that is the sound you are after.


One last point. Don't do this thinking you will save money. You won't. Period. Building guitars takes a lot of specialized tools and the fact is you are paying for them with one guitar. Also, you guitar will have a resale value of about zero. If you buy a Strat, you can make SOME of the money back by selling it. Even if you did not spend more money to make the guitar (and you will), you would still have lost money due to the resale issue. And the workmanship on your first guitar (particularly if you have as little experience as you SEEM to have) will probably not be up to the level of a factory guitar. I don't want to discourage you, I just want to make sure you do this for the right reasons, which is to say, because it is FUN and fascinating, not because you think you will save money or will get a better guitar. But do build a guitar, because it is fun and fascinating. I have built quite a few, and I still love it. My father has built more than 500, and he is still in love with it. Just remember, it is an expensive hobby.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
Oh yeah, alder tends to be a bit warmer than ash, but with a less pronounced attack.

Look HERE for more.

Oh, and swamp ash is the same speices as hard ash, and in fact any tree which produces "swamp ash" will also have hard ash (though not the other way around). If the tree grows in the right conditions (in a swamp), then the lowest part of the tree will be much less dense than the rest, which is the "swamp ash" part. And yes, they do sound different.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
Thanks light! Im planning on buying a bolt-on stratocaster neck and now im leaning more towards alder. The guy im thinking of getting the wood from lives in vermont or new hampshire and is good friends with my dad. He builds furniture and im going to ask him if he can get me the wood, and potentially for his help if I need it. Is it a good idea to also get a cheap piece of wood along with the alder, and build a body out of the cheap wood first for practice? im going to get the wood soon and im going to have a lot more questions once i actually start building, so thanks in advance
 
guitarguy1012 said:
Thanks light! Im planning on buying a bolt-on stratocaster neck and now im leaning more towards alder. The guy im thinking of getting the wood from lives in vermont or new hampshire and is good friends with my dad. He builds furniture and im going to ask him if he can get me the wood, and potentially for his help if I need it. Is it a good idea to also get a cheap piece of wood along with the alder, and build a body out of the cheap wood first for practice? im going to get the wood soon and im going to have a lot more questions once i actually start building, so thanks in advance



The first thing to do is buy a lot of books. Stew Mac has a couple of good books on building electric guitars, and they would be enourmously helpful. They would almost certainly answer all your questions.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
alder and ash are ok.... but if you want a really beautiful body (unpainted).. i recommend curly maple.. i just recently finished my guitar (explorer style) .. and it looks beautiful with the curly/flamed maple body ... you can also get many other beautiful woods with beautiful grains (alder and ash dont have much of a grain) .. if youre dads friend is an experienced woodworker, get him to get you a piece of unique wood, to make your guitar truly custom and beautiful.... why look like everything else when you have the choice not to.... plus in reality.... the beauty of the wood, can change a $500 guitar into a $1500 guitar..
also, if you get a beautiful piece of wood, i recommend using danish oil as the finish... it brings out the grain, and is super easy to apply..

good luck
 
seismetr0n said:
i recommend curly maple.. i just recently finished my guitar (explorer style)i recommend using danish oil as the finish... it brings out the grain, and is super easy to apply..


So it sounds like your guitar weights about 1000 pounds, and the finish on it provides absolutely NO protection, so it will last at most about 10 years - IF you don't play too much.

but the reason to pick alder or ash is, in a word, SOUND. If you want the sound of alder, you need alder. If you want the sound of ash, you need ash.

Oh, and ash has a LOT of grain, and very attractive grain. It does not have much figure to it, but that makes it a lot easier to work with.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
 
I was actually headed to this forum to make the same post. I've got the urge to build a guitar too.

Warmoth and Acme are the two sites I have found so far. Thanks to the other guys for the other links.

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