Boutique acoustics....Gimme a fucking break

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To be fair,I thought that the guitar was beautifully crafted.It is a real piece of eye candy.But looks are where it's appeal stops.When I mentioned tone, I did'nt mean it had one that I did'nt care for,it had none,and a lot of it.
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???? Sorry, but this makes no sense. To say a guitar has "no tone" makes no sense at all. Unless, of course, it makes no sound. Sorry, I just don't get it.

You say the guitar was beautifully crafted, yet rip the guy by saying that he has a lot to learn. Again, this makes no sense to me.

It sounds to me like you played a well made guitar that just didn't appeal to your taste is sound. That is a far cry from what you are complaining about.

FWIW, I have never played one of these, and have no horse in this race, but your comments make no sense to me. :confused:
 
Couple things. Not every guitar is a sure-fire winner. Doesn't matter who the builder is.

I don't know about that particular builder, but some guys build their guitars "tight", and they are meant to be broken in over time. Not like a Taylor that will sound the same as every other Taylor on the rack. More like ageing wine. In 10 years I bet that guitar is a monster. Prolly inside of 2 years you might think it was the best guitar you ever recorded.

Personally I'd love to have a Bougois pre-war style lefty OM.

I like sunburst too. :cool:

The original OM's had a sunburst finsh. Do a bit of research. That guy is building historically-accurate OM's IIRC. First steel-string flattop guitars produced. He knows exactly what he is doing on every instrument.
 
SHEPPARDB. said:
I will stick to the comment about him having
a lot to learn.

The price was offensive,

hand crafted POS.
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Why do you need to put this guys down? He's just a guitar-maker, it's just an instrument. What did this guy ever do to you? If you think the price is 'offensive' (whatever that means) then don't pay it. Why do you feel the need to bash this guy online? No matter HOW many years you've been playing guitar, some people will still disagree with you, and there's nothing you can do about it, so why get hostile about it? Isn't there enough to be angry in this world without directing your spite toward something as innocuous as a guitar maker and his craft?
 
Well, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. People on here bash Gibson and PRS all the time for being overrated - and rant and rave about the prices. I guess just becasue the guy is an indy Luthier, that doesn't exclude him from criticism. It's not like he's doing charity work. He demands a large chunk of change for his guitars - and he is going to be judged.

I don't think anyone would make a stink if SheppardB was talking shit about Gibson...

Just my 2 bits.
 
I don't think anyone would make a stink if SheppardB was talking shit about Gibson...
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Nonsense....if he stated that Gibson was shit because the LP he played had no tone, I would have the exact same response to his remarks.

First, he gives absolutely no frame of reference. What is he comparing the tone to? Sorry, but saying you have 27 years experience means absolutely nothing to me. How much experience does he have playing the OM style of acoustic? Does he own a guitar of this particular style? None of these important details are stated. What if this guy has 27 years of Jumbo Acoustic experience? How would he know what an OM style acoustic is supposed to sound like? He complains about volume...but again...compared to what? This is a very specific remake of an old guitar design and requires a person be familiar with the style and what is expected of the style before one can really comment. It would be the equivalent of a strat player saying that a humbucker equipped LP was muddy and dull sounding. Again, maybe this guy has the experience, if so, he should be more clear about what he doesn't like about the tone. Saying "no tone" is utterly useless to me if he wants me to take his review seriously.

FWIW, I have owned and played a ton of high priced guitars. Some of them were magical...some were dogs IMHO. But when there was a guitar I didn't like, I was able to convey to people what I didn't like about the guitar. Example...(I will keep out the name)

1. Very high priced boutique guitar builder #1. This guitar was 6K and was absolutely stunning. Fit and finish were perfect, but the thick maple cap and thin mahog body produced a tone that was very piercing and shrill. The guitar was very well defined when chording, but single notes were thin and raspy sounding with a piercing quality that I couldn't deal with. I switched to a darker pup but the basic tone was still too thin for my tastes. This was a guitar that would be more suited for a Jazz player who could appreciate the clear chords. I am more of a rock player so this guitar simple didn't fit my style.

As opposed to ...

"The guitar had no tone" :confused:
 
Here's your receipt :D

I'm with ya...it's easy enough to bash "a thing" just because it doesn't move you right out of the box and to have the sticker price push you over. I mean I'm right there to bash the PRS and Gibsons but, I do own a Gibson LP and I absolutely love to play it...I just hate how much it cost...I mean...I don't love it 3 grand more than my Epi. IMO...they sound the same...some slight finish/detail differences but that's it.

Take the Taylor vs. Martin arguement...I happen to not care much for the "Taylor sound", but I can sure as hell appreciate the workmanship and consitency in their product.

Is the product worth it...hell yea...someone's buying them...right? To each their own...leave it there. I mean the thing you bitch and bash about might be someone elses pride and joy...ya can't just go 'round callin' the red headed baby ugly...at least not in front of it's mother!

I say it's a handsome looking guitar and will certainly suit someone's style and taste...just not mine.

Awww damn...another rant :o
 
I really don't think the price tag has any bearing on whether the guitar is good. Hell...I want a Triple Rec...but they cost a fortune. That doesn't mean that they suck or I'm going to bash them. I'm just pissed cos I can't afford it. Thats my fault, I need a better job.

Same goes for guitars. Someone out there will like that guitar and will have the money to pay for it and will buy it. There are always people who will pay boutique prices, and thats who they are directed at.

And anyway, why be pissed about the price...you don't even like the guitar, its not like to you want to buy it or anything. :D

And as for the tone, everything about your tone is your personal taste. I use a strat to play metal. None of my guitarist friends understand why I don't use an Ibanez or a Jackson or an ESP or something. Its personal taste, I like the sound. Simple as that. Same as I personally don't like LP's that much, thats a matter of opinion. I'm not going to say they suck tho.

Likewise, I guarantee someone will fall in love with that guitar and buy it.
 
edgarallanpoe said:
???? Sorry, but this makes no sense. To say a guitar has "no tone" makes no sense at all. Unless, of course, it makes no sound. Sorry, I just don't get it.

You say the guitar was beautifully crafted, yet rip the guy by saying that he has a lot to learn. Again, this makes no sense to me.

It sounds to me like you played a well made guitar that just didn't appeal to your taste is sound. That is a far cry from what you are complaining about.

FWIW, I have never played one of these, and have no horse in this race, but your comments make no sense to me. :confused:
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This guitar sounded like something you can buy in a cardboard box at wal-
mart.So,it does make a sound,it just doesnt make a $3400 sound.
What I said about it being beautifully crafted is true.But,looking good and
being functional dont go hand in hand.
It is possible that C7sus is right in that this particular guitar is just a dud
and is not a good example of his work.If that is the case,then yes,he has a lot to learn.Like dont let a guitar with a price tag of $3400 leave your shop
if it sounds like ass.
 
This guitar sounded like something you can buy in a cardboard box at wal-
mart.So,it does make a sound,it just doesnt make a $3400 sound.
What I said about it being beautifully crafted is true.But,looking good and
being functional dont go hand in hand.
It is possible that C7sus is right in that this particular guitar is just a dud
and is not a good example of his work.If that is the case,then yes,he has a lot to learn.Like dont let a guitar with a price tag of $3400 leave your shop
if it sounds like ass.
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Ok...so the extent of your review of the guitar is that it...

1. Sucks
2. Has no tone
3. Sounds like a guitar you buy in a cardbaord box
4. Sounds like ass

Thank you for that eloquent, insightful, and thorough review. :confused:
 
I am starting to get an idea who is sucking whose dick around here.

We have the one or two with actual opinions, and then 30 followers that just get down to business. ;) ;)
 
edgarallanpoe said:
Ok...so the extent of your review of the guitar is that it...

1. Sucks
2. Has no tone
3. Sounds like a guitar you buy in a cardbaord box
4. Sounds like ass

Thank you for that eloquent, insightful, and thorough review. :confused:
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You are quite fucking welcome.Now,why dont you and Light put yer teeth
in backwards and chew holes through your necks?
WTF is wrong with giving an honest opinion about a product?
 
Light said:
Sorry, but I know Dana and his guitars quite well, and you, sir, are an idiot. You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. You may not LIKE his guitars, and that is certainly your choice, but his workmanship and design is as good as any small factory in the world.


Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
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So how many of his guitars do you own?Have you played this guitar?
WTF qualifies you to comment on "any small factory in the world"? Do
they all send thier shit to you for a stamp of approval?
Ya know,while you were in yer second year of shitting diapers and learn-
ing to talk,I was learning to play guitar.Get over yer self!Just because daddy
has a guitar shop does'nt mean that you are the end all knowledge source
on guitars.
 
You are quite fucking welcome.Now,why dont you and Light put yer teeth
in backwards and chew holes through your necks?
WTF is wrong with giving an honest opinion about a product?
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Thank you again for that well thought out and eloquent review. lol

God, I love it when people get a case of cyberballs.

Read my posts, and you will see that I made absolutely no comments about you. I simply said that your comments made no sense to me and were devoid of important details. I stand by that statement, and I still have not made personal statements about you. I said before that I had no horse in this race, I don't know these guitars and have never played one so your assumption that I have an axe to grind here is dead wrong. I actually *am* interested in your opinion of the guitar, but you can't seem to tell me what you didn't like without using profanity and comments that make no sense. Talk to me like a guitar player, and not like a high school football player in a locker room. Talk to me about sustain and note bloom and harmonic detail and not about cardboard box guitars. I don't own any cardboard box guitars so I can't relate to what you are trying to say. Answering the following questions will help put the review into some kind of context...

1. Are you primarily an acoustic or electric player?
2. What type of acoustics do you own?
3. What style of music do you play?
4. What other guitars do you own?
5. Do you finger pick or use a plectrum?

Come on bro...these are basic things that help us understand where you are comming from. Stop being so defensive and assuming that everyone is a friend of the guitar maker.
 
punkin said:
Too bad that guitar doesn't have a little somthin' to spruce up the fret board just a bit...a few inlays would be nice. :D
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Now that you mention it, if the inlays had been drilled in the middle for an ebony dot, that would be cool :cool:
 
edgarallanpoe said:
Thank you again for that well thought out and eloquent review. lol

God, I love it when people get a case of cyberballs.

Read my posts, and you will see that I made absolutely no comments about you. I simply said that your comments made no sense to me and were devoid of important details. I stand by that statement, and I still have not made personal statements about you. I said before that I had no horse in this race, I don't know these guitars and have never played one so your assumption that I have an axe to grind here is dead wrong. I actually *am* interested in your opinion of the guitar, but you can't seem to tell me what you didn't like without using profanity and comments that make no sense. Talk to me like a guitar player, and not like a high school football player in a locker room. Talk to me about sustain and note bloom and harmonic detail and not about cardboard box guitars. I don't own any cardboard box guitars so I can't relate to what you are trying to say. Answering the following questions will help put the review into some kind of context...

1. Are you primarily an acoustic or electric player?
2. What type of acoustics do you own?
3. What style of music do you play?
4. What other guitars do you own?
5. Do you finger pick or use a plectrum?

Come on bro...these are basic things that help us understand where you are comming from. Stop being so defensive and assuming that everyone is a friend of the guitar maker.
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How much clearer can I be man?I played the guitar and I thought it sucked.
I did'nt think that the way it sounded justified the price tag.I would advise
other players to shop around before they spent hard earned dough on this
model.
To answer your questions:
1.I am primarily a guitarist.If a situation requires acoustic then thats what I play.If it requires electric then I play that.
2.At present my main acoustic is a Taylor.In the past I've owned a vintage
Martin,a guild,some alverez's,and to many pos to list.
3.On acoustic my style can range from John Prine to Jethro Tull.On electric
it can range from Black Sabbath to Muddy Waters.
4.A strat and an Ibeenhad acoustic.The Ibeenhad is high strung for recording
purposes.
5.I do both,but mainly finger pick.
 
I played one of these today, and to be quite frank, this company is a bunch of idiots. They have a thing or two to learn. I mean $8.00 for this thing?...
 
I used one of these pres today. who the hell makes colored buttons. that manufacturer is a @)#(@# idiot and it sounds like ass. I hate that sonofacock.
who the )@(# does he think he is with funny buttons and metal??i dont give a shit if hes a boutique designer. i hate him so. who the @_()#_@) #makes P@(#@( #@+ colored buttons??omFIG!!!it sounds likeasas and I was listening to django rheinhardt through wax cylinders when you were in your former life as a minstrel. it sounds like ass. )@#@)#( handwound transformers!! spit it out your neck with your eye teeth, bitch! i am accomplished!

1.) sometimes with my left hand, some times with my right. sometimes with my left ball
2.) I listen through koss earphones
3.) i went to school at brevard community college
4.)i dont care, @#()@ you bi@(#cthc!
5.) I can simountanously mix to DSD, 1' 75ips vinyl while engaging a low pass to my high pass filter with anti alias backmasking.all blind and one armed..
6.) i learned to make integrated circuits and piezo mics at age .005
7.-WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?
 

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