Boray's listening challenge II: VSPlanet vs. HomeRecording. Your honour is at stake!!

[sweetnubs]

hah hah. this poor nutjob is even stupider and more of a nutjob than me, the beloved and sassy sweetnubs.

 

[bleyrad]

well, there sometimes is benefit to EQing speakers.


before i got proper monitor speakers, i used to mix on a Sony system (well, admit it, we've all been there at some point) that had a significant dip in the speakers around 6Khz... i just boosted the graphic EQ of the stereo/amplifier there, and yay, problem solved. I could actually do some decent mixes with that done.
of course there is no substitute for real monitor speakers, and this guy is making a very very simple thing WAY too complicated, but if you're stuck with no money and needing to finish a mix right away, a little EQ can help.
the best thing is to just know the speakers. that's the reason i got decent mixes out of those Sony's - i did a significant amount of listening on them to KNOW that 6Khz was lacking. I made up for it partly in my mind and partly with the built-in EQ - after all, when the dip in response is as bad as it was with those speakers, you can't make up for a complete lack of signal with your brain alone.
so that's why EQ can sort of help. i mean, if it helps the guy get better mixes, then what the hell - let him do it.
there's no way i'd consider EQ'ing my monitor speakers at all, of course, but that doesn't mean that the tradeoffs are ALWAYS worse than the benefits, for EVERYONE. if that was the case, none of us would use EQ on our recorded tracks.

just my 2 cents.

by the way, could someone please point out an example of EQing actually causing phase problems? i've read a lot about it and it makes sense in theory, but i've never actually been able to hear it. when i've tried doing gigantic boosts in EQ, i've heard distortion, but this isn't the same thing - it was just from the huge boost overloading the channel

 

[DJL]

LOL. That's funny, I needed a good laugh.

 

[Boray]

"How to improve your cheap speaker to get better sound using this and that"
and a little footer such...
bassed on personal experience

...That's how everything goes to ruin. I'm honest, you're clever to invent that way, but surely need a marketing lesson to promote your idea so bad...

My 200 Dollars.
Jaymz [/B]

Thanks! But check the date of that thread: 05-17-2002. That's not my NEW method, that's the old one. The new one is here: http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72150
and the mp3 for this new method is downloadable from this "challenge" thread you are reading right now.

/Anders

 

[Boray]

We've all already proved you're a nutjob... there's no need for anyone to take it further........

You've worn out your welcome here, you kook......

Great idea, if you have no valid arguments against my new method, then just attack me instead!!! If you really want to be a man of truth, then you should not act like my new method has been proven not to work better than the old one. You do this by constantly saying that it's the same old bullshit, but it isn't. That is lying!!! My new method is not harmful in any way. Your behaviour is. It's not telling the truth.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Great idea, if you have no valid arguments against my new method, then just attack me instead!!! If you really want to be a man of truth, then you should not act like my new method has been proven not to work better than the old one. You do this by constantly saying that it's the same old bullshit, but it isn't. That is lying!!! My new method is not harmful in any way. Your behaviour is. It's not telling the truth.

I'm not attacking you at all.... just your crackpot theories!

And I'll tell you WHY I think you're a crackpot......

You come onto this site - and post a bunch of nonsense, which many prove IS in fact, nonsense. You post nothing else to give us any indication that you actually know anything at all about engineering and/or acoustics, and in fact, mix examples that you have posted show that you really DON'T have the skills/understanding of sound engineering that would make us want to listen to anything you have to say.

All we've got from you is some nonsense and conjecture, and nothing else to prove you have this "deep well of knowledge" of the recording arts that you seem to think you do....

 

[scottboyher]

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Boray you would make the perfect Sweenubby ASSistant!

 

[Treeline]

PSST... Hey - over here...

Hey, buddy...

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[Boray]

I'm not attacking you at all.... just your crackpot theories!

And I'll tell you WHY I think you're a crackpot......

You come onto this site - and post a bunch of nonsense, which many prove IS in fact, nonsense. You post nothing else to give us any indication that you actually know anything at all about engineering and/or acoustics, and in fact, mix examples that you have posted show that you really DON'T have the skills/understanding of sound engineering that would make us want to listen to anything you have to say.

All we've got from you is some nonsense and conjecture, and nothing else to prove you have this "deep well of knowledge" of the recording arts that you seem to think you do....

Ok, I can respect your oppinion. Thanks for the explanation.

Listening to the critics and finding a better method is apparently not enough. I have to be a mixing expert as well...

Everyone here: I wonder - how much of a post do you read before replying to it with some (what you think is a) very funny comment? 5%... or maybe 10%?

/Anders

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Listening to the critics and finding a better method is apparently not enough. I have to be a mixing expert as well...

Because a good mix doesn't happen by luck -- it takes skill and experience in record engineering to make it work, so it's an easy method of somewhat quantifying a person's skill....

That, combined with posts that have more solid content than simply conjecture, really can potentially paint a picture of how knowledgeable a person is.


Since you seem to like formulas - here they are:

bad mixes + conjecture + insistence that the conjecture is correct = being taken less seriously

good mixes + proven theories + posting of reliable information = being taken more seriously

 

[Boray]

What is so bad about my mixes? Except for the bad sound quality of my mp3s...?

/Anders

 

[Boray]

Re: Boray's listening challenge II: VSPlanet vs. HomeRecording. Your honour is at stake!!

The original was also recorded to the minidisk (compression). I then recorded the minidisk on my VS840EX (more comression and D/A/D conversion) that I brought to my computer and recorded everything through my old Soundblaster16 card (D/A/D conversion). And I then encoded to mp3 using GoldWave (compressed again). The reason I did all this was just that this is by far the easiest way for me to transfer it to the computer.

Try to do that with your own mixes before you say anything....

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

What is so bad about my mixes? Except for the bad sound quality of my mp3s...?

Lack of definition, lack of depth, poor clarity, no sense of imaging at all.... same as I noted a few times before........

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Re: Re: Boray's listening challenge II: VSPlanet vs. HomeRecording. Your honour is at

Try to do that with your own mixes before you say anything....

Why on earth would I (or anyone) ever do this?????????? The whole point is to MAINTAIN the quality of a mix.......

 

[Boray]

Re: Re: Re: Boray's listening challenge II: VSPlanet vs. HomeRecording. Your honour is at

Why on earth would I (or anyone) ever do this?????????? The whole point is to MAINTAIN the quality of a mix.......

I don't have any better way to transfer things to my PC. The CDROM can't dump audio data (it's a very old one), and the soundcard is very old as well... My goal has never been to produce high quality mp3s for people to download for free, but rather to produce a high quality CD, so I haven't cared much about this...

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

The points I noted have nothing to do with MP3 -- they are mix quality issues.......

 

[sonusman]

What cracks me up is that he could have just went from minidisk into the computer and avoided a D/A/D conversion!!! But I jest!

So then this "test", that is supposed to "prove" something, is material that has gone through multiple a/d/a conversions, as well as originally tracked to a format that uses data compression! Now THAT is indeed very scientific!!! A study of how NOT to perform a critical listening test. But I jest!!!

Ed

 

[Light]

...this poor nutjob is even stupider and more of a nutjob than me...

HOLY S**T. Sweetnubs actually said somthing true!!!!!!!!!!! WTF

Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi

 

[Light]

You wanna know why speaker modeling (and mic modeling and anything else modeling) NEVER works. Because you can not use an EQ with out introducing phase issues, and you will never recreate the phase issues introduced by the crossovers and processing of the speakers. Your ears notice this stuff, even if your mind doesn’t do so consciously.

You wanna know why speaker modeling is a BAD idea. Because it DOES NOT MATTER what your speakers sound like, as long as they can handle the volume you need them to put out. What matters is how well you KNOW what your speakers sound like. Then you can know how you mixes will translate. Change the sound of your speakers (whether by getting new speakers or "modeling" a new sound) will require months of relearning your speakers.

Light

"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Light...

We've tried to explain to him.... he REALLY, REALLY, REALLY just doesn't get it....

Why he continues to wallow in his own crapulence, I don't know........