Black Sabbath clearly Owned Metal

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Who Contributed Most to Metal?

  • Metallica

    Votes: 38 20.3%

  • Iron Maiden

    Votes: 15 8.0%

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 111 59.4%

  • Judas Priest

    Votes: 6 3.2%

  • AC/DC

    Votes: 4 2.1%

  • Savatage

    Votes: 8 4.3%

  • Led Zeppelin

    Votes: 4 2.1%

  • Grim Reaper

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Megadeth

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Pantera

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Steppenwolf

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Stryper

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Total voters
    187
UHH guy, Slayer and Anthrax came in after Metallica . As for Black Sabbath, once again I say they are over rated. The music in the 70's did change because of them BUT I think Iron Maiden did more than BS. But you have to remember that they were foreign bands and suddenly here comes a band from California and BOOM! they shock the nation!
 
myhatbroke said:
AND if you get into Metallica like I am you will learn that it wasn't BS or JP that influenced them. It was actually rare bands no one really has heard of. Also bands like U.F.O. and Santana. so NO I don't think so!
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Who exactly are these "rare" bands?

You need to take a longer view. Metallica, while great, is hardly the most original thing ever to happen to metal.
 
Listen to their Garage Inc. cd and some of them are in there....
 
Being an old geezer [born in 1960] I grew up with the original heavy metal bands. Steppenwolf, Iron Butterfly,The Who, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, Golden Earring, Blue Oyster Cult, Alice Cooper, Judas Priest, UFO, Scorpions, VanHalen.
Metallica has some good music but they are not inovators just spin-offs of what came before. They did help to keep metal alive amidst all of the crap music that was being forced down our throats at the time.
 
myhatbroke said:
Listen to their Garage Inc. cd and some of them are in there....
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Right, to some of us, that started life as the $5.98 EP . . .
 
Here is the complete track listing.

Rare? You be the judge...I think not.

Disc: 1
1. Free Speech For The Dumb - (originally recorded by Discharge)
2. It's Electric - (originally recorded by Diamond Head)
3. Sabbra Cadabra - (originally recorded by Black Sabbath)
4. Turn The Page - (originally recorded by Bob Seger)
5. Die Die My Darling - (originally recorded by the Misfits)
6. Loverman - (originally recorded by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds)
7. Mercyful Fate - featuring Evil, Curse of the Pharaohs, Satan's
8. Astronomy - (originally recorded by Blue Oyster Cult)
9. Whiskey In The Jar - (originally recorded by Thin Lizzy)
10. Tuesday's Gone - (originally recorded by Lynyrd Skynyrd)
11. The More I See - (originally recorded by Discharge)
Disc: 2
1. Helpless - (originally recorded by Diamond Head)
2. The Small Hours - (originally recorded by Holocaust)
3. The Wait - (originally recorded by Killing Joke)
4. Last Caress/Green Helll - (originally recorded by The Misfits)
5. Am I Evil? - (originally recorded by Diamond Head)
6. Blitzkrieg - (originally recorded by Blitzkrieg)
7. Breadfan - (originally recorded by Budgie)
8. The Prince - (originally recorded by Diamond Head)
9. Stone Cold Crazy - (originally recorded by Queen)
10. So What - (originally recorded by the Anti-Nowhere League)
11. Killing Time - (originally recorded by Sweet Savage)
12. Overkill - (originally recorded by Motorhead)
13. Damage Case - (originally recorded by Motorhead)
14. Stone Dead Forever - (originally recorded by Motorhead)
15. Too Late Too Late - (originally recorded by Motorhead)
16. Crash Course in Brain Surgery (originally recorded by Budgie)
 
Whatever, you guys are getting confused with INVENTING and CONTRIBUTING. I never said Metallica invented it. BUT they certainly contributed the most.

Ok for the track listing above me...I shouldnt have said rare...more like bands you wouldnt really think of. You know? But they also liked some bands that dont exist anyore...even punk bands!
 
Black Sabbath had the yeller - Ozzy. Led Zeppelin had the screamer - Robert Plant. We can thank Metallica for ushering in the age of the belcher. Now you have dozens of bands from Nickelback to Godsmack sounding like they're hocking loogies.

Cookie Monster would be proud....
 
I suspect that Metallica themselves would admit that Sabbath did more for metal than they have. I'm a fan of both bands, btw.

I believe what made Sabbath revolutionary was their idea of bringing horror to music. Then, they actually delivered it in a convincing way. This was very different than most popular music at that time and you can't really identify other similar sounding bands from that period. They were just really different and original. You can't really trace the lineage any further back than them, i.e. without Sabbath there is no Metallica, without ??? there is no Sabbath.

By the time Metallica came around, there were other bands playing in a similar style. Most of them were not nearly as good as Metallica.

That said, I understand the spirit of this topic. If you turn on the 'Hard Attack' channel on Sirius, you will hear elements of Metallica everywhere, e.g. double kicks, fast low E strings, slow acoustic passages into heavy stuff, similar lyrical topics, etc. What you won't hear is any of their feel. The goal is now to make the drummers sound like drum machines by any means necessary. I'm still trying to figure out why they don't just use drum machines.
 
Thats another thing, Black Sabbath was all show. In a way they gave any rock or metal music a bad name. I don't see the point in adding "horror". Metallica on the other hand wrote about the realities of life and theyre views on things and how they felt. THATS ART.
 
myhatbroke said:
I don't see the point in adding "horror".
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Becuase your not old enough. Our generation (yes, I'm just 20 years young) doesn't understand the controversy that happened back then with those bands, only todays age. You can't judge something you didn't experience.
 
myhatbroke said:
Metallica on the other hand wrote about the realities of life and theyre views on things and how they felt. THATS ART.
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Pissing on a wall is art.

Your just gonna have to get over the fact that Black Sabbath owns metal.
And fostex dose not suck because it wont do something it was not designed for.
 
hahahaha Fostex, I had forgotten about that :p . Anyways I didnt have to live in the 80's to know that give an evil feel to music is PLAINLY GAY. You look like a fag wearing all black and biting bats. Its pointless.
 
hmm

It seems there a very one tracked vision concerning this thread which by far is simple minded.
I think if Metallica was to get praise, why aren't anyone mentioning Dave Mustaine, he wrote alot of tracks which was released and performed by metallica, he wrote music that has been used for Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning and Justice For All, so he is atleast as important as metallica, also his band Megadeth began shortly after Kill em all was released, they are both of same relevance.

Also, when it comes to bands and artists that has inspired bands to become more complex, and heavy, Deep purple is a very vital band to mention, they were EARLY out, in the start of 70 if I'm not wrong, Jimi Henrix, Black sabbath are also vital.
There is also a band that I don't remember the name of, they got a cut in their amplifier , which caused a Sustained sound to occure.
This started a wave where alot of people cut their amplifiers, because they loved the "thick and blurry" sound.

Slayer was early out, about the same time as metallica was out no?.. they are even faster and perhaps more brutal.
Sepultura was early as well.

Pantera was pretty late, but they made metal even heavier I believe.
So I guess, if you pinpoint all bands that has contributed with something, I guess there is no end to how far back we can go to find events that brought metal to become big.
And I guess if one of the Vital bands mentioned didn't start a wave, someone sooner or later would've.

Most of these bands started and released albums/casettes during a time where noone downloaded music ONLINE, they were appreciated, I bet almost everyone of you guys who are posting here on this forum downloaded alot, doing so art has become a daily theft. it sickens me.
But that wasn't the topic, so sorry.

Well, this is just my perspective.
 
Metallica never once advertised itself on the radio and if they ever were in an article it wasnt bigger than a paragraph. They never needed that "horror" to attract people. It was pure talent. Master of Puppets went platinum without ANY promotions! Can anyone beat that?

Dont mention the black album or anything newer...Bob Rock fucked them up :(
 
Ye gads . . . on the day you were born, I bought ". . . And Justice for All" :p, which to a true Metallica fan, only qualifies me as "fuckin' poser" :o

I used to like Led Zep a lot . . . "Stairway to Heaven" is older than I am . . . maybe I should start a "old blues guys suck because they couldn't rock out like Jimmy Page" thread :rolleyes:
 
myhatbroke said:
UHH guy, Slayer and Anthrax came in after Metallica . As for Black Sabbath, once again I say they are over rated. The music in the 70's did change because of them BUT I think Iron Maiden did more than BS. But you have to remember that they were foreign bands and suddenly here comes a band from California and BOOM! they shock the nation!
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I'm not normally this guy, but...

The reason i mentioned those bands is because i was listening to all three as contemoriaries at the time. Your psots make me thing you came upon this wstuff much later. All these bands were becoming known in the mid 80's They all started making albums at the same time. That was the point, there were many bands playing different styles of metal that were not at all like the crap on MTV and the radio and they all were faster and heavier. Metallica was awesome, but so were some of these others. As far as shaping metal, it is a factor of popularity as well as talent. Those of us blown away by double bass drum solos on reign in blood and loving caught in a mosh (not to mention i am the law, but that is a different kind of groundbreaking) were also listening to metal up your ass (or kill em all or whatever) and ride the lightning.

“In the pantheon of modern metal, Anthrax are certainly a cornerstone, and if one listens, one can hear their influence on any number of up-and-coming bands of the new generation.” — Kirk Hammett, Metallica
Antrax's first album was 1984, i think.

Slayer's first album, Show No Mercy, was released in 1983 on Metal Blade Records

Metallica's first album, Kill 'Em All, was released in 1983 on Megaforce Records
 
I was 13 in 1983 - just learning to play guitar. At the time, I could not accept nor concieve of a band that was heavier or cooler than Iron Maiden. I remember hearing 'Hit The Lights' for the first time and it was like finding out there is no Santa Claus.

I eventually was able to accept the fact that Metallica was heavier - but I could never get past the belching of James Hetfield.

You're going to have to accept that Black Sabbath is recognized as the gatekeeper of metal. It's tough to be a teenager :)
 
DC-XPL said:
I was 13 in 1983 - just learning to play guitar. At the time, I could not accept nor concieve of a band that was heavier or cooler than Iron Maiden. I remember hearing 'Hit The Lights' for the first time and it was like finding out there is no Santa Claus.

I eventually was able to accept the fact that Metallica was heavier - but I could never get past the belching of James Hetfield.
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Iron Maiden was never really supposed to be that heavy of a band. They were the high point of the melodic, "D&D" style of metal. Unfortunately, that style got co-opted by hair band, so metal needed a new direction to survive.

Up the Irons! :cool:

Maiden is still the second best concert I've ever been too--took me a while, but I finally saw 'em in 1988 on the Seventh Son tour. Damn, what a great show :)
 
Maiden is awesome. Umm who the hell voted for Bon Jovi?
 
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