Black Sabbath clearly Owned Metal

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Who Contributed Most to Metal?

  • Metallica

    Votes: 38 20.3%

  • Iron Maiden

    Votes: 15 8.0%

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 111 59.4%

  • Judas Priest

    Votes: 6 3.2%

  • AC/DC

    Votes: 4 2.1%

  • Savatage

    Votes: 8 4.3%

  • Led Zeppelin

    Votes: 4 2.1%

  • Grim Reaper

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Megadeth

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Pantera

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Steppenwolf

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Stryper

    Votes: 1 0.5%
  • Total voters
    187
John Denver rocks all their asses from the grave.
 
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The Delorian is just about to hit 88mph

I'll let all those guys back in 2006 know what you think as I pass them by
 
It don't matter who is responsible for metal, Obama will eventually win the award anyway.
 
Dont forget the Welsh band " Budgie" they were around before Sabbath...
 
The first hint I heard of what was to come was the Kinks "You Really Got Me". It wasn't blues anymore. Compared to "the norm" in 1964 it sounded very un-corny. To me the elements are there. I was 7 years old and learning to ride a bike, but Ozzy, born in 1948, would have been 16 and that's the right age for stuff like that to make a big impression.

Love those tubes amps!
 
I liked this version a little better
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Roguetitan said:
I liked this version a little better...
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I don't blame you, I do too. There's a lot of versions out there, and that tells you it affected (infected?) lots of people. There's a version with Ray Davies (the Kink's lead singer and composer) playing it with Metallica but it's pretty rushed; the Van Halen one is probably the best remake. :cool:
 
ya I saw a show on HBO that had Ray Davies singing you really got me with Metallica accompany him. kind of sucked IMO
 
dintymoore said:
The first hint I heard of what was to come was the Kinks "You Really Got Me". It wasn't blues anymore. Compared to "the norm" in 1964 it sounded very un-corny. To me the elements are there. I was 7 years old and learning to ride a bike, but Ozzy, born in 1948, would have been 16 and that's the right age for stuff like that to make a big impression.

Love those tubes amps!
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Good call.
John Lennon claimed Ticket to ride was the first heavy metal song,perhaps due to the opening riff.I think that's kind of a stretch.

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ocnor said:
Being an old geezer [born in 1960] I grew up with the original heavy metal bands. Steppenwolf, Iron Butterfly,The Who, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, Golden Earring, Blue Oyster Cult, Alice Cooper, Judas Priest, UFO, Scorpions, VanHalen.
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The term " heavy metal " can be traced to the mid to late sixties - I think it appears in the book 'Naked Lunch' and in the same way that terms like 'soft machine', 'the doors', 'psychedelic' etc came from books that the emerging rock royalty were into and found their way into lyrics, bandnames, album titles etc, so it happened with genres too {rock and roll was Black American slang for sex, coz their beds were rocking and rolling during the action, reggae came from a word that simply meant 'the regular people'}. I think musically it was first applied to the Byrds.
Heavy metal however, was, in my opinion, an evolution, not an invention { check out some of the guitar sounds on the Stones' "I wanna be your man", the Kinks' "You really got me", the Nashville Teens' Tobacco Road" - all from '64 }. Things that guitarists were experimenting with began to show themselves on those kind of records and moved in leaps thru the likes of the Hendrix Experience, Cream and the Yardbirds (and others).
For about 12 years {say, 68-80} the terms 'hard rock', 'heavy rock', 'heavy metal rock', 'heavy metal' and 'heavy music', were interchangeable terms that quite often meant the same thing. But because of the earlier usage of 'heavy metal' sometimes it had a different meaning. So it's not surprizing that Jon Lord and Ritchie Blackmore referred to Purple as hard rock while John Lennon in 1980 called 'Ticket to ride' one of the earliest heavy metal tunes written. It's also worth making the point that in the late 60s and early 70s, heavy/ hard rock was actually marketed as 'progressive' rock along with some of what we now refer to as 'prog', hence you get Ian Gillan referring to "Fireball" as 'a good progressive rock album' and Rush's Geddy Lee referring to Rush as a kind of progressive metal outfit. To slightly confuse the issue further, Lee also drew distinctions between hard rock and metal but historically, such a distinction is hard to find. I was using the term heavy metal in '79 and if you look at the New musical express encyclopedia of rock (published jan '77 but written in '76) the number of times phrases like 'heavy metal', 'heavier rock', 'harder rock' and 'hard rock' turn up is amazing - as is also the bands to whom the phrases are applied {Iggy and the Stooges, Kiss, Humble Pie, Three Dog Night, Grand Funk Railroad, Queen ~ for example}. Led Zeppelin are called "the definitive dizz-buster heavy metal rock combo, spawning a host of imitators" {many forget that Hendrix, Cream and Led Zep were the original inspiration for many groups to go heavy ~ Sabbaths influence was probably more far reaching in the long run, but not for close to a decade} and of their first album "from the opening few bars this was absolutely dynamite heavy metal rock" and later on "their understanding of heavy rock textures certainly had no precedent". 'Whole lotta love' is called "the definitive heavy metal anthem", of Zeppelin 3 we are told, interestingly, that it "appeared in 1970 with similar hard rock foundation" (note how the terms are already being used interchangeably) and a quote from Page is given where he describes part of their sound as "heavy blues". The 1980 'Rock On heavy metal A-Z' {published in '79} calls Led Zeppelin the "kings of heavy metal", refers to Motorhead as "one of the loudest hard'n'heavy bands in the UK", Blue Oyster Cult as "initially considered the foremost exponents of heavy metal rock in the US" {interestingly, it was Sabbath's early impact that pushed BOC's record company to look for a heavy act, settling on the Blue Oysters}, Boston as "the softer side of heavy metal", Rush as "heavy metal with classical undertones", Thin Lizzy as "inimitable hard rock though not strictly heavy metal", Staus Quo as the "granddads of heavy metal.....playing good, hard upfront rock".
One of the things that is notable in reviews written in the 70s about heavy bands is that quite a number of them had other strings to their bows {like Queen or The Stooges}. A broad range of bands fell into the heavy category, some of which moreorless exclusively stuck to the genre, others dipped in and out and went elsewhere. Some of the heavy metal arguments that have come up in this thread could have been and indeed were being made before the 80s even began.
rayc said:
Ozzy is cartoonish but with Black Sabbath he was occassionally funny - but that's the point: they had a sense of humour as in "Fairies Wear Boots".
Their music wasn't humorous. It was uniformly HEAVY METAL until Technical Ecstatcy anyway. That's a 1/2 dozen albums in a row that set, made &/or met the mark in the genre.
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There are hundreds of heavy bands that existed prior to the 80s, far more than ever made it big. But many many of those bands, with each release contributed something new to the evolving genre. Alot of them knew each other, drank and smoked together, toured together or played the same festivals, recorded either for the same labels or in the same studios and there was much cross pollination and the genre grew and expanded in a number of different directions and paved the way, in my opinion, for the expansion that emereged in the 80s and beyond. Five of the bands Ocnor mentions were blasting peoples' eardrums long before Black Sabbath existed as a band. Their debut came after Zeppelin had done 2 albums that contained heaviness. They without a doubt were, across their first six LPs, one of heavy metal's foremost contributors. Inventors, I think not. I think it's safe to say the genre would not have been the same without them.
It's almost impossible to write a definitive history because of the many shifting currents and changes. Such is the nature of an evolution.
 
I think threads like this are pointless, because it's like saying "wow red is way better and contributes much more to color than blue!!" its stuff like this that causes all the tensions and crap we see in the music community.
 
Hey, I'm the noob here and I'm not responsible for resurrecting this ancient thread. I will chime in however. Where does metal start and rock leave off? Is Ticket to Ride the first metal song? Perhaps, why? Distorted guitar, not much but it's there. So is there a point where this much distortion is metal, any less is rock? Is there a number on the pedal or overdrive that changes you from rock to metal? 4 or less is rock, more is metal.

This getting into Spinal Tap territory, if your amp goes to 11 it's metal.

Is it drums, the most insane drummer to kick the livin' shit out of a kit was Keith Moon, so were The Who metal? Same could be said for Entwistle, totally changed the way people looked at the bass guitar. He did consider it a bass tuned guitar BTW, played it as such, no one had done that before. Before John people approached the bass as a horizontal version of the stand up bass, which is, of course, a bass violin essentially.

So this whole discussion becomes a moot point. Were The Who metal? prolly not, but without them and others laying the groundwork one could certainly argue that bands like Sabbath would not have existed. You could also argue that the most influencial band in metal is KISS. Am I a fan? No, love their interviews though. At the time they had popularity approaching The Beatles. How did that change metal? Do you see them as metal, maybe not, but the world did. All of a sudden a metal band is the biggest band in the world, never been seen before. How did that change the face of heavy metal music? Think about it.
 
buzzard bass said:
Where does metal start and rock leave off?

So is there a point where this much distortion is metal, any less is rock? Is there a number on the pedal or overdrive that changes you from rock to metal? 4 or less is rock, more is metal.

This getting into Spinal Tap territory, if your amp goes to 11 it's metal.
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From a dream > "Hard rock is just heavy metal with the amps turned to 9". :D
 
myhatbroke said:
Hahaha well there goal ,yes money but, also was to get a different crowd to get to know metallica.And alot of people fell in love with them. Whats NWOBH metal anwyays?
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With that final line, all credibility went right out the window. Now if you will excuse us, the adults are trying to have a discussion.:spank:
 
Not really sure who contributed the most to metal or what bands are considered metal really.

Led Zeppelin,Van Halen,Randy Rhodes & Jake E Lee with Ozzy,ACDC and Metallica are probably my top 5 hard rock metal music bands or artists.

I also like some Sabbath and a few Iron Maiden songs...Run to The Hills,Number of the Beast,Wasted years.

The great thing about these bands is they all had a unique sound which is what makes them legendary bands.

I think they all have contributed in their own original and unique way.

Not sure who contributed more except I would say Van Halen contributed more for guitar than pretty much everyone however Im sure most wouldnt consider him metal...I kind of put him in the metal catagory though...:"Eruption" alone kind of puts him in metal territory i think.
 
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grimtraveller said:
The term " heavy metal " can be traced to the mid to late sixties - I think it appears in the book 'Naked Lunch' .
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Thats interesting, not that I personally like Heavy Metal. I always related it to newer bands like Iron Maiden and Metalica.

I always saw Black Sabbath as a sort of Jazz/Blues/Rock fusion.

Their first 4 albums certainly swing. I always thought Bill Ward would have been a good jazz drummer.

The first time I ever heard the expression Heavy Metal, I actually read it on the back of Hawkwinds DoRemi FarSol Latido album ['73,'74??, Lemmy was on that one... can't remember]

Maybe I mixed in the wrong circles in the 70's but I didnt really hear the term being used a lot until the mid/late 70s.
 
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