Better card + lesser Monitor / Lesser card + better monitor

[yidakee]

Hello again!

I am planning on a full upgrade mid Jan07

Macbook pro C2D (or macbook if they get upgraded) 2 cheese of ram

I will be keeping my FW410 for the sakes of protools (starting AE course)

What would you recommend?

1 - Fireface 800 and a pair of KRK RP8 or Alesis M1 620 or Genelec 8020

2 - Motu Traveler + Dynaudio Bm5a (I prefer over Mackies HR824's)

3 - Great holiday @ Bora Bora ... (or your own suggestion)

Let me give you some background. Singer songwriter, cant help myself. I tried, didn't work. Will want to pre-produce a "full album" with my band, get some demos out yadda yadda yadda...

Dream of working professionaly (eventually, with LOADS of hard work, coffee-making, audio prostitution, etc) in the PP world of cinema, documentary, publicity, tv...

I have had a rocket fast climb in the audio world. My ears improved massively due to the imense studio hours I have been through, plus the incredible insight given to me by others in loco. I have become a seriously proficient tracker. But now I am on my own in a small room in another country Appart AE, appart from composing stuff... I really feel the need to be able to throw out funny words like...

"...this mix through these pre's are thin and boxy, while through these the lows are rounder albeit edgy high's..."







So, in your opinion, where would my learning curve/setup be most beneficial.

I have read so much about these two interfaces, I know about the converters and pre's... but still I am SO puzzled...

Up to now I have done my own personal mixes through sony hi-fi speakers. I hate them to my gut. I know I know! I've been saving up for this course... I only managed to mix one song out of 200 right, or so to speak. When with others in proper studio setups, I did learn, but never MADE the decisions.

I'd really love to bring out serious and GOOD mixes.

Gracias for las muchachas...

 

[ssscientist]

3 - Great holiday @ Bora Bora ... (or your own suggestion)

I suggest a holiday in Tora Bora...















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[yidakee]

That was very informative - thank you for your insight.

Anyone else, that can actually read between the lines, be graceful enough to give a valuable opinion. If I am not mistaken, this is the newbie section, where people with more knowledge help out people with less. I am no newbie, but would appreciate the experience factor. If I had posted on another section, I would definitely not have included option 3 as to avoid such a typical response, from such typical people.

 

[Anomaly Design]

Ummm well the Fireface has only 4 mic pre's whereas the MOTU has 8...

Althought the fireface is better, I would go with the motu and better monitors. I wouldn't suspect to hear an outstanding difference between the two units, the price difference is a plus for the MOTU, and your monitors are one of the most important parts of your chain.

My opinion.... Less card, more monitor.

 

[yidakee]

From what I have read, the FF800 is a substancial notch over the MOTU. Better pre's, definitely better converters. I have a DMP3 I forgot to mention, Studio Projects B1 and an AKG D45, fender deville 410, very nice Fender custom 72 with lace sensor red and a bunch load of vintage and classic "indie" pedals, alesis nanocompressor, DX7 keyboard, yamaha cs10.

But, are you saying that I wont be able to produce a substancially better result with the fireface over the motu? Wont a better warmth of sound translate more over lesser monitors rather than a "colder" sound but better jugdment eq'ing it?

Damn, I am puzzled. This is SO subjective it kills me.

 

[ssscientist]

from such typical people

Sir, if you're referring to me as 'typical' I shall have to ask you to step outside.

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[sixways]

Are you wanting to work exclusivly with Protools or am I totally missing something between the lines as well. If you're wanting to continue in Protools, perhaps you should check out a Digi 002 or upgrade to a FW1814 and get some high end pre's. Tracking a whole band and the "yada yada yada" is going to be somewhat difficult with a FW410 even if you do add the MOTU or RME.

Again, maybe I am misunderstanding your post though.

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[studiomaster]

Sir, if you're referring to me as 'typical' I shall have to ask you to step outside.

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Ofcourse not. You're a scientist.

 

[yidakee]

Are you wanting to work exclusivly with Protools or am I totally missing something between the lines as well. If you're wanting to continue in Protools, perhaps you should check out a Digi 002 or upgrade to a FW1814 and get some high end pre's. Tracking a whole band and the "yada yada yada" is going to be somewhat difficult with a FW410 even if you do add the MOTU or RME.

Again, maybe I am misunderstanding your post though.

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I have seen people around protools on several ocasions, never used it. Nuendo has no secrets to me though. I HAVE to use protools as part of the curriculae in this course (and logic, cubase etc)

Other than that, it's me in my bedroom recording tracks. Further on, the card (probably motu..arg!! dunno dunoo...) will be used as part of the live act to feed monitoring to drummer and some outs to the FOH (loops, synths).

When I said "...recrd my band yadda yadda yadda..." - it's just us three, drummer, guitar and bass + loads of brilliant ideas

Do not plan in the near future to record a full band. What I do want if train my ears the best I can.

Oh, and ssscientist... I do not mean to pick a fight, it's just that I get the impression you're not very patient with noobs. Maybe I got it wrong, on my other thread I also felt you were also a bit patronizing. But, again, don't know you, I am the new one around here, so sorry if I too was a bit harsh...

 

[sixways]

I'd get this: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProjectMixIO/

Sounds like the most bang for the buck for what all you're wanting to do.

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[yidakee]

I don't know... I have lost a LOT of faith in m-audio. Sh*t drivers, cannot hotplug (stupid), dont know the specs or opinions on this unit (pre and converter quality)... also, it's way too big. Portability sure is an isue.

Do you have any experience with this unit?

Danka-wanka !

 

[ssscientist]

you're not very patient with noobs

If I wasn't patient with noobs I wouldn't visit this forum.

Did it occur to you that I just don't like you?

Arrogance, name dropping and talking above your head are three qualities that I really can't stand, and you possess all three in spades.

Reread your first post in this thread and see if you can honestly tell me that you have no pride in your limited knowledge suggest no wish to throw your weight around in the future.

I know a bully in the making --- and you are a bully hiding behind the newbie label.

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[yidakee]

Well ssscientist, the thing with forums is that, although there are emoticons to play with, you cannot read intonation or facial expressions.

It is brilliant that you can dislike someone on their second post. Brilliant. I congratualate you. It shows how good a caracter judge you are.

I did tell you off, but right after I said I was sorry, because after posting I realised that I could be getting it wrong. Now I see I wasn't. It is YOU that is attacking ME, I just freely said "hi...this is me with my needs... anyone care to comment"

Did I over write? Maybe, I am quite excited to be at this point of my life. Sorry if it tired your eye. But then again, WHY did you in the first place?

If you didn't care to comment, why did you, especially in THIS section of the forum? If you like this section of the forum, way make it unproductive with your first response?

I am not talking over my head Although I am posting here does not mean I am a noob. I am actually a very modest person. I am scared shitless with the amount of money I will be dropping in January, extremely insecure. I have been saving up money for the last THREE years for this, who are you to say anything about me? I live in a small country with a shitty economy, you have NO idea what I went through to be able to be writing what I did. You have NO idea who I am or how I am, what I know or dont know.

I LOVE to know what I dont know. And I have pride in the lack of knowledge I posses. It means I have soooo much to learn and I urge to know my limitations.

It is you that is showing arrogance by throwing YOUR weight around. You insulted me. I didn't. In my second post I dismissed your opinion, thats all. You made conclusions about me in 3 seconds, whilst others, obviously over 18, just plain and simply.... answered, suggested, asked, informed... basically were productive. And didnt spend their energy making uninformed opinions about others.

I can see that you spend WAY too much time in front of the screen. 3,443 posts. Just think that while you were fidling around with your pimples, I was actually in a studio recording a couple albums and EPs, playing some major local festivals, the odd videoclip, countless bars and pubs and even some international gigs. Yep, that I am proud of that.

Oh... I get it. You REALLY think people will respect you in this virtual world by the size of your rep bar... how sad...

What have you done with your life up to now?

 

[yidakee]

... seriously man... look at your join date and mine... your post number and mine...

There is a world outside your bedroom. It's quite beautiful.


You should try it sometime.

 

[ssscientist]

You REALLY think people will respect you in this virtual world by the size of your rep bar...

People respect me because of the size of my brain, my knowledge, my heart and my willingness to share with others.

Except you.

And that drives you stone cold crazy.

I was willing to take your Firewire questions seriously - sort of. But the gear you are talking about in this post is nothing anyone can choose for you or even make a valid recommendation about except to tell you what has worked for them. When you get up to that level it's time to make your own decisions, and deep down you know that.

Don't give me that 'bad economy' bullshit. We're just waiting to get our pants pulled down and get the big shaft of Herr Bush stuck up our asses once again. I'm NOT looking forward to having to take to the streets to dislodge him.

Here are some smileys:

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[studiomaster]

People respect me because of the size of my brain, my knowledge, my heart and my willingness to share with others.

Except you.

And that drives you stone cold crazy.

I was willing to take your Firewire questions seriously - sort of. But the gear you are talking about in this post is nothing anyone can choose for you or even make a valid recommendation about except to tell you what has worked for them. When you get up to that level it's time to make your own decisions, and deep down you know that.

Don't give me that 'bad economy' bullshit. We're just waiting to get our pants pulled down and get the big shaft of Herr Bush stuck up our asses once again. I'm NOT looking forward to having to take to the streets to dislodge him.

Here are some smileys:

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Well said bro.

 

[yidakee]

. . . you actually found a girlfriend ?!

Thats nice!

I bet both of you look cute together

All the best to you both

 

[studiomaster]

. . . you actually found a girlfriend ?!

Thats nice!

I bet both of you look cute together

All the best to you both

You're an idiot.

 

[blazingstrings]

. . . you actually found a girlfriend ?!

Thats nice!

I bet both of you look cute together

All the best to you both

WOW! This arguement is one step away from going into "your mom" teritory.

You have to understand that ssscientist is probably one of the most informative and helpfull people here yidakee...... Your missing out by trying to slay him.

-Blaze

 

[yidakee]

He could be.

I wrote

" Oh, and ssscientist... I do not mean to pick a fight, it's just that I get the impression you're not very patient with noobs. Maybe I got it wrong, on my other thread I also felt you were also a bit patronizing. But, again, don't know you, I am the new one around here, so sorry if I too was a bit harsh..."

Now check out his answer to that.