Best starter setup for a recording newb?

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jrhager84 said:
My methods might be WAY off, and I will stand corrected if something doesn't line up, but to me, the obvious choice in my situation is to move on to the firestudio route. I wait patiently for a response,

-Joel
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Man you get my backing in this; you're taking the time to decide on an interface that suits your needs and putting in the work when it comes to research. It's a good way to go about things, the mixing and tracking skills will come in time, but you're definetely setting yourself up for good things to come.
 
Well I definately appreciate ALL of the input you guys have given me. It's really been helpful when it comes to making a decision on something as important as an interface. I've been doing some serious searching, and it all ended up pointing me in the direction I was already facing LOL.
 
The firestudio should be a nice step up, it's a great little piece of hardware, but I would still suggest not going mixerless once you get the firestudio.
 
Mindset said:
The firestudio should be a nice step up, it's a great little piece of hardware, but I would still suggest not going mixerless once you get the firestudio.
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Yeah I agree, getting the most out of all your equipment is important.
 
Mindset said:
The firestudio should be a nice step up, it's a great little piece of hardware, but I would still suggest not going mixerless once you get the firestudio.
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What about an interface mixer, like the TAscam or similar? Would he be able to sidechain his effects with that? I'm just wondering as, it would allow the sidechaining, plus virtual control of the DAW and no need to buy a huge board with 16 Mic channels and pres.

I'm not too familiar with them, so I thought I'd ask for him...
 
The only thing is.... I only have 8 direct outs on my board, and I don't know what the hell to do with those... What purpose would the mixer serve? If you have any articles that are better illustrated than (x > y > z > x2 > y2 > p4f02) cause I really don't get the whole "signal flow" deal... Maybe I'm just dumb... Pictures would help me a TON.. I'm not saying I don't appreciate you guys trying to explain it to me, I just still really don't grasp what you're trying to tell me, ya know?

Let me know how to set up a firestudio with a 1604 and I will do just that. I'm just too stupid to do it on my own, cause I don't really have a clue when it comes to routing/etc. Thanks again for all the help, it really means a lot. Hopefully I'll GIT R DUN pretty quick, and have tracks to show what progress I've made.

Thanks again,

-Joel
 
I only skimmed the thread and read that you want to use a lot of mics on your kit. I didn't read any one else state this. I dont mean to sound snobby but have you ever thought or tried using two overheads without close miking all the toms. Then just put a snare mic and a kick mic.

I dont have the best perception of what a 6 tom kit looks like(how big/spread out) but I think you could pull off a pretty darn good drum sound just using a 4 mic set up. Just get those overheads in a good position to capture your main drums. Again, I dont want to sound snobby but do you really hit all the toms that much

Dont wanna come off mean but just take that into consideration perhaps. good luck. :)
 
Point well taken.....but I'm afraid I've already invested the money in e604 tom mics, Beta 52a kick mic, beta 57 snare mic, sm57 snare mic, as well as sm81 overheads... I love control of my drum mix... I've been mixed very well before, and I love the way the drums "sing" when compressed and limited correctly, which can't be done easily on an overhead setup....
 
I attached a very simple picture I just made lol....

The illustration shows that say if you had a 1 channel mixer, and a firestudio, the regular recording path, would follow mic, to mic channel, to the first patch bay opening, and then right under that patch bay opening, would be sent to the chlannel 1 of the firestudio. Since the patch bay is "normalled" the signal continues from mixer to interface. Now, that's just for connecting the mixer to firestudio to record.... when you play back, (which you would alrady patch in the back of the patch bay), you would go channel sends from the firestudio, into the top of the patch bay on another set of inputs, and then the returns into each of the channels on the mixer itself. Then from mixer's out to monitors right? When your doing side chains & inline patches, your inline patch would connect on the other set of patch bays which are not normalled, which would be half normalled. That means, almost the same thing as the side view of the patch bay, BUT the connection would be broken from sends to returns, it would then go sends to effects to returns. ON side chaining, you can either choose to pre patch it like illustrated where you have to setup a side chain within' the program itself, or instead of returning back to the firestudio, you would go back to aux returns. I think I messed up on a couple of the labeling, but you'll get the picture once you look at it, I hope lol.
 

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jrhager84 said:
Point well taken.....but I'm afraid I've already invested the money in e604 tom mics, Beta 52a kick mic, beta 57 snare mic, sm57 snare mic, as well as sm81 overheads... I love control of my drum mix... I've been mixed very well before, and I love the way the drums "sing" when compressed and limited correctly, which can't be done easily on an overhead setup....
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That's one of the reasons I usually mic drums with a whole lot of mic's... People can still get by with 3-5 mic's, but you'll see me micing the top of a snare, the bottom of the snare, top of the hi hats, bottom of them too, two mic's on the kick etc....
 
I'm still confused.... so I wouldn't be using the pre's in the firestudio at all? Also, for that to work, wouldn't I need a patch bay?
 
yeah you would need a patch bay, however, for now if your just getting only the Firestudio, that would be a great buy, the patch bay, and then stand alone pre's etc, can come after as a expansion package ;) Unless your really rich and will go buy all the equipment all at once, it will be a building process to aquire the gear you need to run totally efficent. The next thing on MY list is a U-47 & a Neve pre.
 
Mindset said:
yeah you would need a patch bay, however, for now if your just getting only the Firestudio, that would be a great buy, the patch bay, and then stand alone pre's etc, can come after as a expansion package ;) Unless your really rich and will go buy all the equipment all at once, it will be a building process to aquire the gear you need to run totally efficent. The next thing on MY list is a U-47 & a Neve pre.
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Mindset has it right, collecting new equipment is half the fun. It' a cool feeling coming home with a new mic or pre orr software.
 
Hmmmmm....very interesting. Please include a list of "must-haves" in your opinion, as well as their correlative costs... My dream to to eventually have a nice expandable studio setup that can record near multi-million dollar studio quality (eventually like I said).

If I'm not mistaken, aren't Neve pre's like WAY expensive?
 
P.S.

To all of you pussies who are leaving negative rep comments to me, at least have the balls to leave your names... Seems pretty childish to leave comments like "just trying to help, but fine...plug it in all wrong" and "How can you claim to know all you know and not know how to hook up 1/4" jacks to RCA jacks?" without any names to clear anything up....

PM me so we can talk....neg rep is just WEAKSAUCE.

Also, Mindset pwns all of you noobs because at least he TRIED to explain shit to me, not make snide little comments and then neg rep me when I burn your ass about it. Thanks to mindset for clearing up a LOT of stuff, and thanks to all of you idiots out there for making me feel better about myself for not being you...

Later,

-Joel
 
oops, I ment the u-67's.... i'm looking for a NEVE 1272 pre (amps converted to preamps) to buy they not that expensive I found a stereo pair of them for only $2999 on ebay
 
Wow, is that all? LOL I guess "cheap" can vary by person, eh?
 
but for that particular sound your after, getting "two" of them for $3k is not really all that bad ;)
 
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