Best mic for live vocals that you don't have to get right on top of?

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Hi, I have been lurking here for many years, but now I need to some assistance. At church, I have been singing into Sm-58's and occasionally an AKG ?, but I since I play guitar, I really don't like getting right up on top of the mic as my voice is sortof loud anyway? So, what would be a good mic that I could buy that is not overly unidirectional and will pick up my vox without me having to be right on top of it. I tried to search other threads, but that function isn't working today. I know there have been a lot of inexpensive mics that have flooded the market in the past few years, so don't hesitate to direct me to one that will fulfill my needs. Appreciate your help, Psongman
 
The main reason you have to get right on top of mics that are designed for live use is because of feedback prevention, and the design of the avarage church makes this even more problematic. It may be difficult to obtain your goal, as increased sensitivity and off axis response are conducive to feedback. It might require getting a Sabine or similar feedback suppressor before you can use a mic with a more open pattern and with enough gain to pick you up from a moderate distance.

Regards, RD
 
Condenser mics (especially those with variable patterns) are going to give you better off-axis response and distance characteristics. However, they are also more prone to feedback, as was previously mentioned. I saw a folk/bluegrass trio this weekend and they used what looked like an AT4040 for vocals, which they all shared. It sounded very nice, though I'm not sure how they were processing it (I would assume the lows were rolled off and there was compression to keep plosives at bay). You might also look into broadcast dynamics, like the Shure SM7, Sennheiser MD421, and EV RE-20. These mics will require more gain from the preamp than your SM58, but they do have better off-axis response.
 
psongman said:
So, what would be a good mic that I could buy that is not overly unidirectional and will pick up my vox without me having to be right on top of it.

with that in mind, i would look for an omni dynamic, and i would prolly start with an EV 635a.

like others have said.....due to the nature of a church and not knowing how you're amplified, a condenser might prove to be a little too sensitive and/or feedback prone.


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wade
 
H'lo, thanks for all the responses so far. I guess I didn't qualify my needs as well as I should have. I have a lot of condensors in my studio and they all do their thing quite well. I was looking for a dynamic mic under $200 that most have had success with that you don't have to eat the mic while singing. With all the mics out there now, there must be some that will fit that criteria. Keep the replies coming in, as I am going to buy one this weekend, just for this purpose and none other, Psongman
 
Would a Beta 58 not be the optimal choice if you like the 58 but need a little more heat from the mic?
 
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I'm going to go a little more obscure here and vote Audio Technica AE3300. It has the capsule from the AT4033, so there's plenty of detail and output for a live mic, and that will help you not need to be so close. In fact, my experience of it is that it's BETTER backed off of a little, because when you get right on it the proximity effect is very exaggerated on most male voices, and unless you use the HPF on the mic you may find yourself wasting valuable headroom on your desk! :)

Nik
 
If you can't make the sm58 woork well for you, than the mic isn't the problem:(
 
Thanks Noisedude, that is what I was looking for, an answer that directs, makes sense and is tailored to the need. I am X-cited to get my new mic, not X-static, yeah, I don't know how to sing into a mic, so I will listen to those around me that don't know how to assist, Psongman
 
Basically what I meant was that a new mic will not solve all of your problems. You could add a more sensitive mic, and then you don't need to stay so close. But, you may end up with severe feedback problems. The reality of the situation is that in most scenarios, good mic technique is a must if you want to also have good sounding vocals. Even if you put a Neumann 105 out there. It will pick you up better than a 58 as you get further from the mic. The problem is that it will also pick up guitars, drums, your monitors etc... So, even with the neumann, you still have to stay on the mic so the gain structure can be set in such a way to adequately capture your vocals while simultaneously rejecting enough other stuff to keep the mix tight. What the Neumann will do though is allow a level of detial, intimacy, immediacy and reality to come through on your voice when proper technique is used.

There are of course exceptions to all of these rules. If your stage sound is low enough and the main speakers are focused and tuned well and the room has good acoustic properties, you could even use a U87 for vocals. Then you would not need to worry about mic technique nearly as much.

Sorry if my last post sounded harsh, but it is a really stiff reality. Hopefully this explained it all a little better. After mixing for 1000 bands or so I have pretty much seen all the different mics, speaker setups, techniques etc... My experience has shown me that the singers who use better technique sound better easier and on a more consistent basis, regardless of the actual mic choice.
 
thanks for the qualifying X-Static, yeah, I know the technique is tres important. I noticed that if I get too close it sounds good and loud but I can't maintain that distance for too long because I am one of those mover-arounders, think you know what I mean. I was looking for a mic that I could be close to but not have to breathe right on. Our stage setup is not too loud or noisy, we send the signals to a nice big Mackie, but the room is a bit small, so there are feedback issues occasionally. I will probably just buy 2 or 3, and try them out, am sure one will fit the bill. Thanks again for the info and explanations. Amen, Psongman
 
What about a headset mic? You can be a "mover arounder" and still be right on top of it. Also, I'm sure that the consistent close proximity will allow you to run it at a lower gain (ensuring less feedback)--while still allowing you to maintain a volume level that doesn't jump up and down as you do.

For less than $200 I am quite sure you can find a decent cabled one.
 
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