Best Drummer=Neil Peart Hands Down!!

[bingbing]

mike portnoy is a school taught show off.
barrimore barlow is a musician. he makes music.

I appreciate and respect your opinion, but those are strong words. It's impossible to define music objectively and convince everyone that one person is a musician and one is not.

bing

 

[stray411]

Hey guys I've been out of the drumming circle for a few years but I found this thread to be very interesting. Just wondering how Dave Weckyl, Greg Bissonette, Carter Beauford, Terry Bozio and/or Omar Hakim didn't make it into any of your lists?

Forgot to mention my cousin Bobby Rock. He was the drummer for Vinny Vincent Invasion and the group Nelson. He was doing clinic tours a while ago and an instructional video out (Metalmorphosis). He has the most impressive 4 way independence I have ever since. Not saying he is the best out there but I had to mention him.

Stray

 

[rushfan33]

Hey guys I've been out of the drumming circle for a few years but I found this thread to be very interesting. Just wondering how Dave Weckyl, Greg Bissonette, Carter Beauford, Terry Bozio and/or Omar Hakim didn't make it into any of your lists?

Forgot to mention my cousin Bobby Rock. He was the drummer for Vinny Vincent Invasion and the group Nelson. He was doing clinic tours a while ago and an instructional video out (Metalmorphosis). He has the most impressive 4 way independence I have ever since. Not saying he is the best out there but I had to mention him.

Stray

With all due respect....what the hell does this have to do with Neil Peart?

RF

 

[stray411]

How do any of the other drummers mentioned in this post have anything to do with Neil Peart?

I mentioned these drummers because I was suprised that guys were coming on here making lists of top rock drummers (and in some cases drummers in general) and not mentioning any of the guys I mentioned.

So I would think my statement/question relates to the post although, as you pointed out, not Neil Peart specifically.

Stray

 

[bingbing]

Just wondering how Dave Weckyl, Greg Bissonette, Carter Beauford, Terry Bozio and/or Omar Hakim didn't make it into any of your lists? .....Forgot to mention my cousin Bobby Rock.
Stray

Them's all gooduns.

bing

 

[rushfan33]

How do any of the other drummers mentioned in this post have anything to do with Neil Peart?

I mentioned these drummers because I was suprised that guys were coming on here making lists of top rock drummers (and in some cases drummers in general) and not mentioning any of the guys I mentioned.

So I would think my statement/question relates to the post although, as you pointed out, not Neil Peart specifically.

Stray

IMO.....only one of the drummers YOU listed, not including your cousin....."Bobby Rock", as you pointed out are even "rock" drummers. They're all bad asses but Greg is the only one I'd consider "rock"! Terry? C'mon!! Missing Persons? Dave weckyl? Rock? Omar Hakim?
That's a pretty strange group of guys to compare in a "rock" sense.
You have good taste in drummers though!!
RF

 

[stray411]

IMO.....only one of the drummers YOU listed, not including your cousin....."Bobby Rock", as you pointed out are even "rock" drummers. They're all bad asses but Greg is the only one I'd consider "rock"! Terry? C'mon!! Missing Persons? Dave weckyl? Rock? Omar Hakim?
That's a pretty strange group of guys to compare in a "rock" sense.
You have good taste in drummers though!!
RF

Didn't your heading read Best Drummer = Neil Peart Hands Down!!???

If not, that's my fault I shouldn't have mentioned Dave or Terry. However, Carter, Bobby (you never heard of him?), Greg and Omar are all definitely rock drummers, although maybe not exclusively. Any one of the four would put Neil Peart to shame (He is a great and inspiring drummer though). In compostion and theory, groove/feel, improvisation and/or technique.

Rock is one of the easier genres to play, I don't think you could argue that. I think Neil excels in the rock category (progressive even), but that's about it. These other cats do rock music, but other forms as well. On a technical, rhymthical or compositional level jazz, funk, fusion or even latin styles are conventionally deeper and more intricate than most rock music (exceptions to that rule do exist).

I posted here because I find this thread kind of funny. This is an argument I've had many times and it usually comes down to this. The person praising Peart usually has lmited real musical training or knowledge. This person is usually associating Neil's ungodly kit with ungodly skill. This person usually listens to mostly rock and top 40 music. I'm not saying this is you, but I suspect this is partly the case.

Bottom line, Neil Peart is possibly THE most overrated drummer of all time.

Stray

 

[bingbing]

Rock is one of the easier genres to play, I don't think you could argue that. I think Neil excels in the rock category (progressive even), but that's about it. These other cats do rock music, but other forms as well. On a technical, rhymthical or compositional level jazz, funk, fusion or even latin styles are conventionally deeper and more intricate than most rock music (exceptions to that rule do exist).

I posted here because I find this thread kind of funny. This is an argument I've had many times and it usually comes down to this. The person praising Peart usually has lmited real musical training or knowledge. This person is usually associating Neil's ungodly kit with ungodly skill. This person usually listens to mostly rock and top 40 music. I'm not saying this is you, but I suspect this is partly the case.

Bottom line, Neil Peart is possibly THE most overrated drummer of all time.

Stray

Rock is easy to play, difficult to master. We've got a similar thread going on in another forum. I've seen some incredible and acclaimed jazz drummers who couldn't play rock or funk beats in the pocket. Although these other genres have a bit more history to them, the music is as deep as you want to make it. And don't let "simple" fool you. It's very difficult to do simple convincingly.

If you want to attempt objective measuring of talent, the guys you named....and their all incredible drummers, ....are old news as well. There's a new generation out there that "put them to shame" (your own words). Check out the young man who plays for Santana now. I saw him do a phenomenal masterclass on independence and melodic drumming. Of course, Dennis Chambers ingenuity with grooves surpasses these others.

In all honesty, I've trained in music long enough to know that this is an arbitrary discussion. I'll say what I said before. I give Neil much props and respect for the inspiration he gave me at one point in my development on drum set , and I know that I could learn much from him still.

bing

 

[rushfan33]

Didn't your heading read Best Drummer = Neil Peart Hands Down!!???
Stray

No unless my name is "C HUGO" also. Now I have two identities? Hmm..... ya learn something new everyday!

Of course I know who Bobby Rock is.... are you speaking of the same who was in the Vinney Vincent Invasion. Where did I say I didn't know who he was?

For the record...... Even though my handle is "RushFan", I know that Neil, Alex and Geddy are NOT the best players at their instruments. They have influenced me the most musically and I can relate to their playing the most. I think Neil is a bad Mutha Fukka but I'll NEVER say he' the best! What would I say? "Ah.... he's the fastest drummer in the world!" Right! First of all who cares! Second of all it's subjective... and third of all how in the hell would you measure that? and Why?

My mind is MUCH more open than you think.... don't underestimate my ability to acknowledge new and different flavors! I got out of the "Favoritist Drummer in the world" thing a long time ago.

Quote by stray: "I posted here because I find this thread kind of funny. This is an argument I've had many times and it usually comes down to this. The person praising Peart usually has lmited real musical training or knowledge. This person is usually associating Neil's ungodly kit with ungodly skill. This person usually listens to mostly rock and top 40 music. I'm not saying this is you, but I suspect this is partly the case."

Could it be that sinse you partake in that argument "many" times, that YOU are just stubborn? I'm not saying this IS you..... but isn't it possible?

I think that there are MANY more drummers out there that are more "Overrated" than Neil. Your comment was the farthest from the truth! I wanna hear you play 1 (that's right....just one) Rush song "correctly". You'll either not do it and continue to bash the guy or you'll say "Why should I?" and still continue to bash the guy.

 

[stray411]

1. No unless my name is "C HUGO" also. Now I have two identities? Hmm..... ya learn something new everyday!

2. Of course I know who Bobby Rock is.... are you speaking of the same who was in the Vinney Vincent Invasion. Where did I say I didn't know who he was?

3. For the record...... Even though my handle is "RushFan", I know that Neil, Alex and Geddy are NOT the best players at their instruments. They have influenced me the most musically and I can relate to their playing the most. I think Neil is a bad Mutha Fukka but I'll NEVER say he' the best! What would I say? "Ah.... he's the fastest drummer in the world!" Right! First of all who cares! Second of all it's subjective... and third of all how in the hell would you measure that? and Why?

4. My mind is MUCH more open than you think.... don't underestimate my ability to acknowledge new and different flavors! I got out of the "Favoritist Drummer in the world" thing a long time ago.

5. Quote by stray: "I posted here because I find this thread kind of funny. This is an argument I've had many times and it usually comes down to this. The person praising Peart usually has lmited real musical training or knowledge. This person is usually associating Neil's ungodly kit with ungodly skill. This person usually listens to mostly rock and top 40 music. I'm not saying this is you, but I suspect this is partly the case."

Could it be that sinse you partake in that argument "many" times, that YOU are just stubborn? I'm not saying this IS you..... but isn't it possible?

6. I think that there are MANY more drummers out there that are more "Overrated" than Neil. Your comment was the farthest from the truth! I wanna hear you play 1 (that's right....just one) Rush song "correctly". You'll either not do it and continue to bash the guy or you'll say "Why should I?" and still continue to bash the guy.

1. That's my bad I should have looked at the author. However, the point is the same regardless of the author.

2.

IMO.....only one of the drummers YOU listed, not including your cousin....."Bobby Rock", as you pointed out are even "rock" drummers. They're all bad asses but Greg is the only one I'd consider "rock"! Terry? C'mon!! Missing Persons? Dave weckyl?

The quotes around his name kind of gave me the impression you didn't know who he was. Why the quotes? Yes, I meant the drummer from Vinny Vincent Invasion and I stated that in my first post. Is there more than one Bobby Rock in the professional drumming world? I also think it's kind of strange that you, being a drummer, would make the above statement. All of the drummers I mentioned with the exception of Terry and Dave can be considered, although not exclusively, rock drummers. You don't know who Omar Hakin or Carter Beauford are? Are you serious?

3. I agree, there is no way of determining the "best drummer". But, there are several levels drummers can be rated on objectively. Bing makes a good point on the subject. And Bing if you're reading this I never said these cats were the "best". Just better than Neil.

4. Just a suspicion I got from your comments, didn't say that was the case.

5. I have been playing drums/percussion for 15 years. Over the course of those years I have talked with many drummers who like to say that Neil Peart is the "best". Am I stubborn? Well yes, if you consider the fact that the Peart statement is always untrue. To have this argument many times over the course of 15 years is unbelievable to you?

6. Well name a few then? How is my statement the furthest from the truth? As compared to what other statements?

I won't say either of those things. I don't understand how my playing a Rush tune relates to this conversation. Is this a talent contest between you and I? That's a little childish but, okay I'm game. I'll give you a Dave Matthews Band song and you give me a Rush song and we'll see who comes the closest to the original in 1 weeks time. Matter of fact, I'll do both just for the hell of it.

To sum this up, I came here (for the first time I may add) to merely ask a question. Why you decided to take issue with that is beyond me, but you called me out. I wasn't here looking for an argument. You want a pissing contest I believe you will find you have met more than your match. Do you accept this challenge?

PS. I have never "bashed" Neil Peart in any respect (read my posts), don't know where you got that from.

Stray

 

[rushfan33]

Stray, Why in D' FOCK are you getting all bent out of shape? First of all, when I posted my "What in the Hell" remark, I was kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!! you have to realize that this is a dicussion board. Thing are sometimes read and and misunderstood by the reader (uh...that would be you) and so the tone of what's being read is lost! From now on I'll post like this:

I like Neil Peart . I am only kidding when I say those things to you . Don't be so about the things you read . Okay?

Okay.... I'll try to answer your reply(s) as uncalled for as they are:

Quote- "The quotes around his name kind of gave me the impression you didn't know who he was. Why the quotes? Yes, I meant the drummer from Vinny Vincent Invasion and I stated that in my first post. Is there more than one Bobby Rock in the professional drumming world? I also think it's kind of strange that you, being a drummer, would make the above statement. All of the drummers I mentioned with the exception of Terry and Dave can be considered, although not exclusively, rock drummers. You don't know who Omar Hakin or Carter Beauford are? Are you serious?"

The quotes are there because YOU said Bobby was your cousin. Okay....cool! That might not be something Bobby would want you to go around saying....is it? No, I don't think there's another Bobby Rock in the Pro drumming world. When did I ever say I didn't know who Omar or Carter was? Duh!!!

Quote- "6. Well name a few then? How is my statement the furthest from the truth?" First....... your statement is considered Peart Bashing. I can already hear you pontificate but any way you slice it, it's saying something negative towards the man. As far as other overrated drummers go. IMO- there's Portnoy, Jonathon Mover, Tico Torrez, Tommy Lee, Lars Ulrich..... Need more?

Quote- "I won't say either of those things. I don't understand how my playing a Rush tune relates to this conversation." Well if you learned and played a Rush tune (if you're able and you do it "correctly")you might gain a little more appreciation for his playing. That's all that was meant by that. sorry but there's no smiley for that one!

Quote-" To sum this up, I came here (for the first time I may add) to merely ask a question. Why you decided to take issue with that is beyond me, but you called me out. I wasn't here looking for an argument. You want a pissing contest I believe you will find you have met more than your match. Do you accept this challenge?"
You came here asking a question. yes..... I then made a joke and now you think I picked you out to argue with? I think not....don't flatter yourself! Hmmmmm......Do I accept your challenge? Have I met "more than my match?" In you dreams bozo!

Quote- "I posted here because I find this thread kind of funny. This is an argument I've had many times and it usually comes down to this. The person praising Peart usually has lmited real musical training or knowledge. This person is usually associating Neil's ungodly kit with ungodly skill. This person usually listens to mostly rock and top 40 music. I'm not saying this is you, but I suspect this is partly the case".

Very clever...... but your a dildo dork. I'm not saying that you dork on didlos but I suspect that that is partly the case!!!!

Dude.....lighten the fuck up a bit.....will ya?

 

[bingbing]

You BOTH need to take a chill pill !!!

BIG TIME!!!!!!! Your both one step away from a mod call here.

Go play your drum sets and quit wasting energy on this nonsense. Better yet, get rid of your egos, show each other some actual respect, then go play.

not entertained,
bing

 

[rushfan33]

You BOTH need to take a chill pill !!!
BIG TIME!!!!!!! Your both one step away from a mod call here.
Go play your drum sets and quit wasting energy on this nonsense. Better yet, get rid of your egos, show each other some actual respect, then go play.
not entertained,
bing

And YOU.............. Just kiddin Bing! i'm out of chill pills, I only have sudafed, which i'm on heavily at the moment!

What's a "mod" call? does that hurt?

RF

 

[bingbing]

Does it hurt? RF

Well.....it sure ain't a bootie call. Or a cattle call, or a long distance call, or a bird call.

...and I don't mean Mods in the 1970's-80's scooter riding, ska loving days (although, I guess it could be painful if I sent a bunch of those Mods after you. )

Don't worry, be happy....be kind, rewind......Do unto others.......put down the toilet seat when finished (especially after a pissing contest.)....show some respect and you are likely to get it back.

getting down off my soapbox now,

bing

 

[Barometer]

Yeah, don't mind it Rushfan. Not worth the sweat. It's just a message board, right (as I spend all my "free" time here typing away). You're obviously knowledgeable about drums. That reminds me, post a song damnit, there's nothin' on your NoWhere page (I missed the cover you posted)

 

[stray411]

Why would my cousin and instructor for many years have a problem with my saying he is my cousin? It's no secret buddy. (you making that statement wouldn't be considered argumentative?)

I'll give you Tommy Lee and Lars because a lot of non-drummers think these guys are the shit. Anyone with any drumming knowledge whatsoever would never use their names in any "who's the best" list or conversation. Not sure who Mover is and I'm not embarassed to admit that. Portnoy overrated what?

Dildo dork? You're a real fool huh? I need to relax huh? Who is resorting to calling names here? I am in no way shape or form worked up or pissed about this. Again I find this (and you in particular) comical. Based on your statements here I really hope you're under the age of 18. Otherwise, grow up!!!

In my dreams? Bozo? More childish remarks. Put or shut up is the name of the game here. If you don't accept the challenge fine, but if you decline state your reason. I say "more than you match" and I will on any given day prove that to you and everyone here without question. If you challenge that, well then prove it. If not shut up and stop talking out your ass.

I'm still not pissed even after the name calling. I'm laughing at you for being so immature. I'm laughing at you for being so pretensious. You may be thinking the same thing, but I'm ready to prove it. Are you?

Stray

 

[stray411]

To anyone else who may be reading this thread,

I don't know any of you and you don't know me. This isn't the forum I normally post in (if you see my post count you'll see I'm not new here). I came here merely to ask a question and I feel (I'll admit I could be wrong) that RF was challenging me.

I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression. Read my posts in other forums and you'll see the majority of my free time that I spend here I use to help others out and converse about interesting musical subjects. I, however, do not back down to a challenge in real life or online.

Hopefully, I didn't offend anyone (besides RF) or give off the wrong impression. I didn't come here for arguments sake.

I'm still not pissed.

Stray

 

[bingbing]

I, however, do not back down to a challenge in real life or online.

Stray

I'm assuming you mean back down from a challenge. His challenge was for you to learn to play one Rush song "correctly". His motive was so you may come to appreciate Neil's playing more. There wasn't anything more involved than that. You want to accept that challenge? Great.

Stray, as I said before, I can tell both of you are cool people and accomplished players.... and you've rubbed each other the wrong way about something that is IMO so completely pointless. Your energy can be spent so much more productively.


not offended, but still not entertained (and of course, that's why I come here ).

bing

 

[rushfan33]

I guess I'll have to be the better man here! dude..... I sarted out by joking with you! You know a joke? You're the one who made the childish challenge. And no..... I don't accept! I've much more important things in life to worry about than you.

If one of us has to be the man here it will be me.


I am sorry that you feel I offended you!


That's just not cool that you feel you have to offend me! I'm also sorry that you're so sensitive. But hey........ It's not my fault you can't take a joke!!

RF

 

[Barometer]

No offense taken stray. It's just a thread and I bet the two of you would get along fine outside of this thread. No worries, music instead Take care

To anyone else who may be reading this thread,

I don't know any of you and you don't know me. This isn't the forum I normally post in (if you see my post count you'll see I'm not new here). I came here merely to ask a question and I feel (I'll admit I could be wrong) that RF was challenging me.

I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression. Read my posts in other forums and you'll see the majority of my free time that I spend here I use to help others out and converse about interesting musical subjects. I, however, do not back down to a challenge in real life or online.

Hopefully, I didn't offend anyone (besides RF) or give off the wrong impression. I didn't come here for arguments sake.

I'm still not pissed.

Stray