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I'm not sure why you think that.
Seeing as how this thread was meant to be a reply in a thread about Alex Van Halen vs. Stewart Copeland I guess it doesn't really matter. Tony Williams is an absolutely incredible drummer though.
Seeing as how this thread was meant to be a reply in a thread about Alex Van Halen vs. Stewart Copeland I guess it doesn't really matter. Tony Williams is an absolutely incredible drummer though.
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Dave Lombardo!!!
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tntkemp
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And back to the beginning....Neil Pert is definitely the best... I'm no drummer, but I am a bass player, and was highly influenced by bands like Rush, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin. My favorite drummers:
Neil Pert
Tommy Aldridge
John Bonham
Pretty much in that order.....
Neil Pert
Tommy Aldridge
John Bonham
Pretty much in that order.....
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JimJoe
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Dave Lombardo on that last Testament album, Holy Craparoni
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Well Hes no Bonham, Simon Philips or Tony Thompson but hes pretty good.
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IMO some of the most impressive rock drummers would be
keith moon
john bonham
mitch mitchell
bill bruford
steve gadd
of course, among many more
keith moon
john bonham
mitch mitchell
bill bruford
steve gadd
of course, among many more
rushfan33
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Re: Hmmm.... what about....
Lest!
Dave52 said:
Lest!
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IMHO any drummer that played with Zappa is better than Neil. I know he's amazing and all and I'm a huge Rush fan, but there's just better, deeper, more rhytmic and more feeling drummers out there. My $.02
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Barometer said:
Again, the point is being missed....... YES, there absolutely are much "better" drummers out there than Neil but it's all perpective and preference. Using words like "deeper" and "more feeling" is just not applicable. That is pure opinion and could never be fact. When making comparisons between drummers, people will always cast a light on the things that make their favorites so good.... and no matter what, it will always be better than the person that someone else is comparing him or her to. Some people probably swear by the holiest of holys that David Grohl would smoke Terry bozzio, or Tommy Lee would smoke Alex Van Halen. It's all Preference!! I listen to Dave Weckyl a lot and Dave will smoke Neil Peart in a second! But that's on a "technical" level. Neil just hasen't shown that level of technique. I also like Rod Morgenstein a lot, and they are "similar" drummers (Rod & Neil). Again, I think Rod would smoke Neil in a minute. But again, that's ony technical skill. Actually, come to think of it, the only drummer on the Burning for Buddy CD that is probably not as skilled as Neil, is probably Matt Sorum( but he's still a killer drummer). Every other drummer on that CD would drum circles around Neil in a heartbeat in a technical sense but I didn't grow up listening to them and there just wasn't a connection made between myself and thier playing.
I think that is the biggest thing we consider when we compare drummers. Not the speed of their fastest rudiment or double bass patterns. Moreso the connection between ourselves and the overall feel of a persons playing, and a persons musical personallity. Neil is just Neil! Take him for what he is and not for his technical skill or lack thereof. There's always someone better than the next guy!
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Well said.....
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hmmm, neil pert???
That's funny, i say a video and neil pert was saying how he had to learn the drumms all over again. Seems one of his old students came to him much improved in the video and neil inquired of him how he got so good so quick. The student was teaching neil about playing the drums in circular motion instead of verticly.
Seems like neil is'nt quite what so many make him out to be
That's funny, i say a video and neil pert was saying how he had to learn the drumms all over again. Seems one of his old students came to him much improved in the video and neil inquired of him how he got so good so quick. The student was teaching neil about playing the drums in circular motion instead of verticly.
Seems like neil is'nt quite what so many make him out to be
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Re: hmmm, neil pert???
Here we go again!!
I guess you're refering to Steve Smith, who is also a student of Freddie Gruber's. To answer your "question", No..... he's not what he's made out to be. He's not Steve Smith, and he's not Freddie Gruber! He Neil Frickin' Peart!
Geesh!
weatherbill said:
Here we go again!!
I guess you're refering to Steve Smith, who is also a student of Freddie Gruber's. To answer your "question", No..... he's not what he's made out to be. He's not Steve Smith, and he's not Freddie Gruber! He Neil Frickin' Peart!
Geesh!
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I give much props to Copeland and Peart....both influenced me at different points in my development.
Portnoy has added some wonderful ideas to the rock genre.
Having said that, I dig Tony Williams and Elvin Jones much more at this point.
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Portnoy has added some wonderful ideas to the rock genre.
Having said that, I dig Tony Williams and Elvin Jones much more at this point.
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Nicely said rushfan... 
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bingbing said:
Why can't more posts about musicians be like this one? See how no one is better than anyone else? It's stating a preference, not a pole position!
Nice one Bingbing
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rushfan33 said:
Why can't more posts about musicians be like this one? See how no one is better than anyone else? It's stating a preference, not a pole position!
Nice one Bingbing
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Cheryl Crowe once said "No one plays guitar like I do better than me." She doesn't need to be Heitor Villa-Lobos to express her incredible musicality on the guitar. I assume that most all of the great musicians compete only against themselves. They are inspired and influenced by other great musicians. If you play music to be better than someone else, then you very much missed the point. Rushfan has it right
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neil pert is one of the best ever!he is an absolute genious at doing what he does.2112 is one of the best albums of all time.(does anyone remember albums?you cant roll a joint on a cd cover)
if i could be in a band with any drummer i wanted i would pick steve gadd.i used to have an instructional video of his(im not a drummer just liked the tape)and he has some killer techniques.
if i could be in a band with any drummer i wanted i would pick steve gadd.i used to have an instructional video of his(im not a drummer just liked the tape)and he has some killer techniques.
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Its not about playing all that you can its about playing what sounds right
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Axis said:
Exactly, I know a bunch of yo probably don't like Ringo, but he's a perfect example. Not incredibly slick or fast, and didn't have the best technique, but man did his stuff just fit perfectly into everything they did. And his timing was impecable
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i'm sorry DT fans, but mike portnoy doesn;t belong in this disscussion. he's good. no doubt. i am a life long fan of DT and mike portnoy, but he doesn;t belong in the same sentence with neil peart or bill bruford. mike is great, and fast and has kewl cymblas and lotsa drums....
but he never strays from what you'd expect him to do. if you've been listening to him long enough and are fully farmiliar with all his work, he is too damn predictable. i love his music, i play liquid tension and DT stuff all the time, fooling around. but against a drummer like bill bruford, who is much better at creating a mood with his surrounding band and makin you react to the music, mike portnoy can;t hang.
i like DT to the point that on some of my songs it sounds like mike portnoy is playin rather than me. but thats just cuz my taste in stuff is alot alike his.
but in reality, aside from opinion, peart, bruford, copeland, they are a thousand times more musical. they do more with their drums than 4 way independance and 32nd's at presto speed - they make music with their drums. moods. they make you hyper, or mellow, or frieghtened, just by the way they write their drumlines against their surrounding band.
one other thing...
DOES ANYONE IN HERE KNOW BARRIMORE BARLOW????
everyone who has appreciation for music MUST like something by jethro tull. and tull's best work, thick as a brick, a passion play, living in the past, minstrel in the gallery, all the best albums, with the exception of aqualung, are his unbelievably creative rock drumming. the best mood creator in drumming, imo. the listener reacts drastically to the scenes and moods he creates. thick as a brick can;t be topped as far as drumlines go, as far as anything goes really. and he doesn;t rely on being fast or all kinds of odd sounds and cymbals (wich are very good in drumming, don't get me wrong, i use plenty). he just plays exactly the drummline that belongs. thats a drummer.
mike portnoy is a school taught show off.
barrimore barlow is a musician. he makes music.
wow, i really ramble.
but he never strays from what you'd expect him to do. if you've been listening to him long enough and are fully farmiliar with all his work, he is too damn predictable. i love his music, i play liquid tension and DT stuff all the time, fooling around. but against a drummer like bill bruford, who is much better at creating a mood with his surrounding band and makin you react to the music, mike portnoy can;t hang.
i like DT to the point that on some of my songs it sounds like mike portnoy is playin rather than me. but thats just cuz my taste in stuff is alot alike his.
but in reality, aside from opinion, peart, bruford, copeland, they are a thousand times more musical. they do more with their drums than 4 way independance and 32nd's at presto speed - they make music with their drums. moods. they make you hyper, or mellow, or frieghtened, just by the way they write their drumlines against their surrounding band.
one other thing...
DOES ANYONE IN HERE KNOW BARRIMORE BARLOW????
everyone who has appreciation for music MUST like something by jethro tull. and tull's best work, thick as a brick, a passion play, living in the past, minstrel in the gallery, all the best albums, with the exception of aqualung, are his unbelievably creative rock drumming. the best mood creator in drumming, imo. the listener reacts drastically to the scenes and moods he creates. thick as a brick can;t be topped as far as drumlines go, as far as anything goes really. and he doesn;t rely on being fast or all kinds of odd sounds and cymbals (wich are very good in drumming, don't get me wrong, i use plenty). he just plays exactly the drummline that belongs. thats a drummer.
mike portnoy is a school taught show off.
barrimore barlow is a musician. he makes music.
wow, i really ramble.